Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Like Wayne's World. Even though Greg's not here, you have to do it. Yeah. Even though Greg's not here for another week. But Greg's fine. We don't want to put anything rumors. Greg is just busy with some family things. He'll be back very soon. This is Palmer.
[00:00:13] Speaker B: Hi.
[00:00:13] Speaker A: He's not a listener.
[00:00:15] Speaker B: Well, I mean, he's not a listener.
[00:00:17] Speaker A: He should be, but he doesn't listen to what I do because he has to talk to me other times. So why listen to me for an hour each week?
[00:00:25] Speaker B: No, no, I'm a has to. I get to talk to you at other times. Right.
We've been friends for 25 years, so 26, I think. 99 or 98.
[00:00:35] Speaker A: 99. 90. 95.
[00:00:38] Speaker B: 95, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right. Because 93. Yeah, 95. So 30 years now.
[00:00:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
And. Well, and Palmer, when I went to college, I moved from the Pacific Northwest to the middle of. Well, not the middle Northeastern Arkansas, not a cult. Well, moving from Puyallup to northeastern Arkansas is not a culture shock. But moving from the Northwest, Palmer was one of the few friends I had that actually knew about comics and read them and did things. So we talked a lot about comics. We were also on the debate team together because we're nerds. And that's okay because Greg and I. I also got Greg on the debate team at Lower Columbia. I don't even know if you know that.
[00:01:14] Speaker B: Oh, I think I knew that. I think you told him. I think we've talked about it before.
[00:01:17] Speaker A: So yeah, I mean, it's just a kind of spinning around. Hey, fun book forensics, right? It's like debate.
[00:01:22] Speaker B: Yes, it's all connected.
[00:01:24] Speaker A: Well, since Greg couldn't do another, we will do Booster Gold, I promise. I even bought all the Booster Gold issues just so I could do them with Greg. So this is going to happen. Booster Gold's going to happen at some point. But right now, I told Palmer, I said, I've got one week with you. Picky story that you read at some point. That's a one issue story that wraps itself up in one issue.
And so we battered around some ideas. There was talk of some doctor Strange, really scary issue where we questioned the universe and life itself. I'm not sure that over the last couple weeks that maybe that would have been the best choice for right now at the current political and social climate and attitudes and feelings.
[00:02:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:05] Speaker A: So we picked something much more fun.
We have Marvel Team up featuring Spider man and Nightcrawler. Marvel team up number 89, if you want to read along.
[00:02:14] Speaker B: Published in 1980.
Yeah.
[00:02:16] Speaker A: 80.
Oh, no. Cover date. 1980. Cover date, release date.
[00:02:22] Speaker B: Sorry.
[00:02:22] Speaker A: 1979.
[00:02:24] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, see, I have a problem because I don't have the COVID of my copy of the book that I ordered because I was a 10 year old when I got that book, so. Or actually 1980 would have been nine. I didn't take care of my comics.
[00:02:38] Speaker A: 1980. 1979. You weren't nine. I would have been like.
[00:02:41] Speaker B: Would have been eight.
[00:02:42] Speaker A: Oh, that came out before my birthday. I would have been, you know, what? Four.
[00:02:45] Speaker B: Four.
[00:02:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:46] Speaker B: Yeah. A little bit. A little bit older than you are, but yeah. I just, you know, when I bought comics and I'm still Dan and I have conversations all the time about the reason we read and buy comics and I don't buy as many as I used to, but I read for stories. I love the stories. And I. I've never paid a whole lot of. I. Well, I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to anchors and artists and pencilers and writers until. Until Dan started talking more about them.
[00:03:12] Speaker A: That you still, you have a good eye for. What doesn't look right, though. And I think that's sometimes a fun thing too. Like if you're. If you've consumed comic books for any amount of time, you can look at art and say, I don't like that.
[00:03:24] Speaker B: Right.
[00:03:24] Speaker A: And I think that's okay.
That's probably not going to be the case in this book for most of it.
But what we have here is Marvel Team Up.
And Palmer and I were talking about this too.
I kind of dug into these books too. I got into Legion of Superheroes because of a spotlight story on Starboy, which meant I got introduced to all these characters. And then I was like, oh, this is crazy. Well, Legion of Superheroes, they naturally have like 1 billion characters, so it's easy to get into that. But one of the things DC did it with, with DC Comics Presents, right, where Superman would team up with somebody new every week. And Marvel did it with Marvel Team up, where Spider man would team up with somebody. So your top two heroes, your top hero for each company.
And of course, I think it was. Was it 71, Spider man past Superman in overall sales?
[00:04:16] Speaker B: I have no clue.
[00:04:16] Speaker A: It was in the early 70s. And so now Marvel's doing this. And here we have a team up with an X Men.
And so we've got a team up with Nightcrawler. And the X Men are hot, hot, hot.
[00:04:30] Speaker B: At the time, at the Time and now, but you know.
[00:04:33] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I mean they go in and out of favor, but you know, we're, we're a few years past Giant Size X Men Number 1. The new lineup is well cemented and of course X Men, if you know the history of it, it was a failed book, right? It failed. Nobody liked Cyclops because he's a jerk. And the original lineup with Iceman and.
[00:04:56] Speaker B: Beast, Marvel girl, Angel, Marvel girl.
And there's five. Oh, who am I forgetting? Beast, Iceman, Cyclops, Havoc.
[00:05:05] Speaker A: Havoc shows up, Polaris comes in.
[00:05:07] Speaker B: Yeah, but there's a, there's an original five because they come back later.
[00:05:10] Speaker A: Well, wasn't, wasn't Sean Cassidy in there?
[00:05:14] Speaker B: No, not for the original five.
[00:05:16] Speaker A: Or not the original five, but Sean.
[00:05:18] Speaker B: Cassidy did come in Banshee.
[00:05:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
So, yep, you've got. And when you're looking at it, when you're looking at the book, you know, they relaunched the book to great success.
A lot of it was due to obviously Chris Claremont picking up. He didn't write Giant Size X Men number one, but he wrote X Men Forever.
And your original art artist there, Dave Cockrum, and we got some, got Dave Cockrum design right here because that Nightcrawler design stayed there for a long time. That Mankini he wore.
[00:05:50] Speaker B: Right, right. And you know, story wise, it was based because he was in a circus and they wanted a flamboyant amp, A flamboyant costume for him. But it's still, you know, the Mankini design with the, with the red running.
[00:06:03] Speaker A: Right down the, right down, right, right down the middle and a lot of skin on the sides there on the COVID So it looks like a Rick Buckler and Joe Rubenstein cover here. And we've got. I don't know who that is shooting at them. I have no idea who that is.
[00:06:19] Speaker B: Oh, I've forgotten his name right now. It's, it's a, it's like a one off. It's not a one off. He's been in like three or four stories. But I, I want to say Cross, what's his name?
[00:06:29] Speaker A: Well, we don't need to tell him. Let's find out. Let's find out. We'll, we'll find out.
It does say it's, it's his first appearance, so. Oh, yeah, there we go. Yeah.
Clearly they're going to be in a, in a Marvel team up. Clearly they're going to be fighting a villain that's going to show up over and over and over again. I mean, that's what these are known for.
Okay, yeah. I mean, remember Cutthroat?
[00:06:48] Speaker B: After this, maybe we'll talk about it.
[00:06:51] Speaker A: I don't think. I don't think he shows up over and over again. Oh, you said it. Said his name. I don't think. I don't think he shows up.
He looks like a cross between the green arrow and Dr. Doom.
[00:07:01] Speaker B: Yes. In fact, I found a description of this book when I was. I look at it online, trying to remind myself of the COVID and all the things, because my cover's missing and I found a story that said, oh, Dr. Doom destroys the circus. And I'm like, that's not Dr. Doom. I read that book.
[00:07:16] Speaker A: Well, if Dr. Doom had destroyed the circus, I don't know that that would have been a bad thing for humanity.
I mean, look at getting at the circus.
[00:07:23] Speaker B: Essentially, the guy who runs this circus, who was responsible for a lot of problems in. In Nightcrawler's life.
[00:07:29] Speaker A: Well, apparently he was. And you'll probably have to talk about that because I didn't remember that part. So anyway, we get a shoot out over center ring. All right, we're ready. We're ready to dive in here. So we jump in and we get something. Because Marvel is going to be super fast here for us.
[00:07:49] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:07:49] Speaker A: And show us the book. Good news. We have a hard copy of the book right here.
[00:07:52] Speaker B: Of parts of it.
[00:07:53] Speaker A: Of parts of it.
[00:07:55] Speaker B: Like this page is missing. Oh, this page is missing off of. The first page is missing out of my book.
[00:08:00] Speaker A: Well, we don't actually get to read the first page here unless I go run and get my tablet. Because Marvel Unlimited is a horrible application.
[00:08:08] Speaker B: It's being really bad.
[00:08:09] Speaker A: I mean, it's just. Honestly, it's just a horrible application.
[00:08:12] Speaker B: I have it too.
[00:08:13] Speaker A: But yeah, we get phone, Spider man and Nightcrawler. Oh, you got on your phone. Perfect shootout over center ring. And it just gives us the team. So we've got Chris Claremont, Michael Natzer, who we found out also goes by another name, Michael Netzer, and Rick Buckler. So Nasser does the first 13 pages and has to be cleaned up by Rick Buckler. Maybe that's why he didn't do a lot of books. Because you have to finish books to keep jobs.
[00:08:40] Speaker B: Keep jobs.
[00:08:41] Speaker A: Yeah, especially. And we're into the Jim Shooter era, so you really had to finish books to keep jobs.
Steve Gerber would tell you that on Howard the Duck, they got in a little fight over that. So Carl Gafford colors. I love Carl Gafford. So cool thing here. There's a Whole bunch of Legion connections.
[00:08:59] Speaker B: Oh, cool.
[00:09:00] Speaker A: Yeah. Carl Gafford did a lot of coloring for Legion.
[00:09:02] Speaker B: That's cool.
[00:09:03] Speaker A: Nightcrawler was supposed to be in Legion.
[00:09:05] Speaker B: So much crossover between, between Marvel and dc and they acted for so long like they were these big separate companies. They didn't like each other. But so many artists went back and forth and, and they took some ideas and, and kind of leaned them into the other company.
[00:09:20] Speaker A: Well, I've said it on the podcast a bunch of times, so I won't, I won't get us off into a Legion. But originally when Dave Cockrum created Nightcrawler and Storm and a bunch of the new heroes and new costume designs, he originally drew them as a concept design called the Outsiders for the Legion of Superheroes. And it's supposed to be a spin off book. He got a huge fight with DC Comics because he drew a giant tabloid comic and they wouldn't give him the centerfold page that he wanted, Bouncing Boy. And I think it was Bouncing Boy and Dua Zambel's Wedding. So he wanted the splash page that he drew. They wouldn't give him the art and so he quit and he left. And when Greg and I met Jim Shooter before he passed away. So last year at SummerCon, he told us that Dave Cockrum should be getting the credit for the X Men's costumes and that John Byrne gets maybe too much. Well, we said that and he said, he said, he said, he agreed John Byrne should get credit for all the other things John Byrne has done. And maybe we should let Dave Cockrum have this one. Also told us the story about how he was roomies with Dave Cockrum in an apartment. So that's kind of cool.
And we start right here with that era of X Men. Of course, John Byrne took over as the artist too.
One of the things about the team up books though is you actually usually didn't get the art team that was drawing these characters. Usually going to be somebody else. So you're not looking at like, you're not looking at like John Bushima coming in here and drawing Spider Man.
[00:10:47] Speaker B: Right, right. And I don't, I don't know who was draw, who was. Do you get off top of your head who was drawing X Men?
[00:10:52] Speaker A: Because I think it'd be John Byrne.
[00:10:53] Speaker B: I think it would probably. Oh yeah, you're probably right.
[00:10:55] Speaker A: Yeah, it should have been. I'm pretty sure it had been John Byrne at this point in 79.
And so. Which makes sense. And then. But so we're getting. You get kind of sometimes on the team of books you get an art team that maybe isn't the best art team. No, I didn't mind the art in this book.
[00:11:11] Speaker B: No, I like, I like it. I mean there's a couple places where I'm like, whoa, what is that?
The page that you can't. We, that we can't see. The first page is really interesting to me, first of all, because it introduces, it doesn't introduce, but it brings in Amanda Sefton who is Nightcrawler's future wife.
And she's also a super powerful sorcerer and took over for the, the, the, the, the ownership of Limbo for magic for a while. Actually held this, used the Soul Sword and she's just a flight attendant in this and she, she went into secret and became a flight attendant. And that's where Nightcrawler, she fell in love. And there was a whole series of X Men stories where they were. She was just a flight attendant and.
[00:11:56] Speaker A: Nightcrawler's girlfriend and, and, and really inconsequential in the story as we go further because it's kind of there.
[00:12:04] Speaker B: Right? Right. Yeah, it's just there because she doesn't do anything with, with it. And it's, it brings up a whole question for me. Like she seems so worried. So if she's this sorceress, why don't you do a little twinkle twinkle in the background and, and take care of the problem and just not let anybody know. I don't know.
[00:12:17] Speaker A: Well, we, we don't know. But she seems very annoyed with Nightcrawler because he was late. But yes, she, he gives her the big smooch and then they're friends again.
[00:12:28] Speaker B: I do have to share that. If you, if, if you're on the, the second page of the book, this is the, it reminds me very much of the Spider man picture in the movie where he comes down, hanging down and pulls his mask down and gives a kiss. So. And this was definitely prior to that, 1979. So I'm wondering if they took inspiration. I don't know if this has happened before. I haven't paid enough attention.
[00:12:53] Speaker A: Oh, I'm, I'm, I'm sure, I'm sure that they, they read this book right here and then the movie. Yeah, I mean, that's.
[00:13:00] Speaker B: Well, I was thinking, you know, if I, if I'm, if I'm a movie writer and I see that image, then maybe I, when I'm writing the movie go, oh, that's a great image. And don't remember where it came From. But then I put it in my movie. Yeah, I don't know.
[00:13:11] Speaker A: Well, it's a good thing we have your hard cover because as usual, Disney and I'm gonna get sued.
Disney and Marvel Comics are doing a bang up job letting us use the Marvel Unlimited service.
Yeah. Well, anyway, good news. We have the book right here, but we also have a page.
So we flipped a page and. Hey, did you know that this book has page numbers?
[00:13:36] Speaker B: Oh, well, I mean, I know because I'm looking at it right now.
[00:13:39] Speaker A: Well, Travis Webb would have told us that at the beginning of this book they were using sort of the Marvel method of introducing the characters and telling you who they are and setting the place for the story and giving you everything you need to know about the book.
And Travis should take note because books like Starlight don't have page numbers. And so it makes it really difficult for you to follow along and tell like the listener what's going on.
But when you have page numbers, I.
[00:14:03] Speaker B: Can say really easy.
Although the page number isn't on the Marvel Unlimited Limited. So if you're reading it digitally, I.
[00:14:09] Speaker A: Don'T know, we don't know the page numbers. Right. So just, just, you know, page number is good in general.
I'm a big, personally a big fan of page numbers.
[00:14:18] Speaker B: I kind of like page numbers too.
[00:14:20] Speaker A: Well, Nightcrawler freaks out because he sees a logo on a plane.
Now it looks like the most generic logo possible is just an A on a, on a tail of the airplane.
[00:14:32] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:14:32] Speaker A: And Nightcrawler notices this and apparently we had recently got one of the.
I hope you can understand the sarcasm that I speak the next words with one of the best Chris Claremont storylines in the X Men Arcade and, and Murder World.
[00:14:50] Speaker B: You know, I, I looked that up. I looked, I looked up some Chris Claremont Top 15 stories and I don't remember Arcade and the It's Men Arcade in, in Myrtle World.
[00:14:58] Speaker A: It wasn't, but it wasn't on that list. Oh, shocking. I know. I'm, I, I, I am, it is, it is incredibly hard to believe that Arcade and Murder World didn't make it. Yeah, I do believe it made it on the cartoon, didn't it?
I mean, I'm wearing the shirt. I should know.
[00:15:13] Speaker B: Yeah. I think there's a time that, that they get captured.
[00:15:16] Speaker A: Well, they definitely went to the mojo verse.
[00:15:17] Speaker B: Oh yeah, definitely the mojo verse. And change the story, of course. You know, you look at liberties when you, you translate, translate the comic medium to movies and TV and animation. You definitely get to make your Own stories when they're on there, I have no problem with that.
[00:15:32] Speaker A: Sometimes, Sometimes I get like, it's a different universe.
[00:15:36] Speaker B: It's a different universe.
[00:15:37] Speaker A: All you have to remember is it's a different universe and you don't worry about it.
[00:15:40] Speaker B: So the comics are 616?
[00:15:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:41] Speaker B: Except for, as we know, if you know about Dr. Strange, 616 doesn't exist. It's a recreation of Dr. Never mind. That we got. That's a story we didn't want to talk about.
[00:15:48] Speaker A: It's a one time story. Well, we can talk about anything we want to. So anyway, we get into the book and Nightcrawler, it gives us a flashback. So again, Marvel method and he sees a bunch of. He sneaks onto the plane and he sees a bunch of pinball machines and he's having a flashback. It's not, it's not good times for Nightcrawler. He's. He's apparently did not have a good time on Murder World. I mean, Murder World sounds so friendly though. I mean it's a very subtle name.
Sounds very friendly. It sounds like you'd have a great time.
[00:16:20] Speaker B: It's games, Right. Just to have fun.
Right. I think I read that story like arcade puts them in, in balls and they are bouncing around a pinball machine.
[00:16:30] Speaker A: Now they did that on the Super Friends cartoon.
[00:16:32] Speaker B: Oh, they did. I don't remember that one. I probably, I mean, I think that.
[00:16:35] Speaker A: Was on a challenge of Super Friends when they went through the black hole and then they went through a black hole and then they were in a giant pinball machine. But they did some other stuff too. And then they had to wait. It was like Aquaman.
No, it wasn't Aquaman, Hawkman, Wonder Woman and Black Vulcan.
[00:16:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:52] Speaker A: Oh yeah, Black Vulcan, otherwise known as Black Lightning. But they didn't use black lightning because they didn't want to pay. Well, yeah. And so they were stuck and they went through a black hole. And so they had to wait until Green Lantern and Superman came. And then this is how science works. Because Green Lantern and Superman combined their powers together.
[00:17:11] Speaker B: Oh.
[00:17:11] Speaker A: And pulled them out of the black hole.
[00:17:13] Speaker B: Oh, okay.
[00:17:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:15] Speaker B: I didn't know anything. You could be pulled out of a black hole.
[00:17:17] Speaker A: Oh, well, that's apparently if Green Lantern and Superman combine their powers, you can go out of a black hole. It's physics.
[00:17:24] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:17:24] Speaker A: But if you've been looking, think about it.
[00:17:26] Speaker B: If you've been watching, you know, the power level of Green Lantern, if the recent Superman movie they talk about, Nathan Fillion talks about How. Oh, God, how that he.
[00:17:36] Speaker A: Nathan Fillian. Nathan Fillion. Not friend of the podcast. Go.
[00:17:40] Speaker B: He's not a friend of the podcast. You don't like Nathan Philly. Oh, we've talked about that.
[00:17:43] Speaker A: You clearly don't listen to the podcast.
[00:17:45] Speaker B: No, I don't listen.
[00:17:45] Speaker A: No.
Anyway, continue. Continue.
[00:17:48] Speaker B: It's bad.
[00:17:49] Speaker A: Continue on the greatness of Nathan Fillion. No.
[00:17:51] Speaker B: Greatness of Nathan Fillion. I personally like him and his acting.
[00:17:54] Speaker A: But I think he's playing the best possible character. Guy Gardner, bigamist. Is he a bigamist? I don't think so.
[00:18:02] Speaker B: I don't think he's a bigamist in DC Comics.
[00:18:04] Speaker A: I'm going to just give him attributes that.
[00:18:06] Speaker B: Just give him.
[00:18:06] Speaker A: He's an abuser. He's a terrible.
[00:18:08] Speaker B: Well, anyway, it doesn't matter. Well, the point that I'm trying to make is, is that there's talk among the director, and I've lost his name right now, of the James Gun. James Gun. James Gun and Nathan Fillan about if Superman and Green Lantern actually went at it. It'd be a close fight. You'd probably be surprised that Green Lantern might. Would probably beat him.
[00:18:27] Speaker A: Well, when.
Now that Green. Okay, so now that Green Lantern. Well, we're off topic already now. Now that Green Lantern doesn't have the yellow impurity.
[00:18:37] Speaker B: Right.
[00:18:38] Speaker A: I think it'd be very difficult when Green Lantern could be defeated by a dead end sign.
[00:18:43] Speaker B: A traffic cone.
[00:18:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:45] Speaker B: Well, not a traffic.
[00:18:46] Speaker A: Traffic sign.
[00:18:47] Speaker B: Traffic sign.
[00:18:47] Speaker A: Just hit him with a traffic sign. Yeah, I mean, I think Superman probably wins that one.
[00:18:51] Speaker B: Yes.
So here's an interesting question. How does Green Lantern's ring work under a yellow sun at all?
[00:19:00] Speaker A: Well, it can't hit the yellow.
Well, anyway, so Nightcrawler.
[00:19:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:05] Speaker A: Nightcrawler is reliving his experience on Murder World.
And then he's like, oh, there goes Arcade. I don't like arcade. He's a bad guy. Is that a fair assessment of this page? And then he grabs his girlfriend. Yeah.
[00:19:19] Speaker B: Well, he teleports out of the plane.
[00:19:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:21] Speaker B: And if you know about Nightcrawler, when he teleports. He does what?
[00:19:26] Speaker A: Well, he goes to a ski resort in.
It's true.
[00:19:31] Speaker B: He goes to a ski resort for a while and then comes back.
[00:19:33] Speaker A: Yeah. He always says Bam.
[00:19:35] Speaker B: Oh, BamF. BamF. What ski resort is Bam?
[00:19:39] Speaker A: It's in Canada.
[00:19:40] Speaker B: Oh, so how do you know there was a ski resort called Banff?
[00:19:42] Speaker A: Yeah, that's how he became friends with Wolverine.
[00:19:45] Speaker B: Oh, okay. Well, I guess he was skiing in Canada. But when he teleports, he leaves the smell of brimstone.
[00:19:51] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:19:51] Speaker B: And it's building that whole.
[00:19:54] Speaker A: What does brimstone smell like?
[00:20:00] Speaker B: It smells like stone. That is brim.
[00:20:02] Speaker A: I. I don't know. I've heard.
[00:20:04] Speaker B: I don't know. Sulfur, maybe?
[00:20:05] Speaker A: Is it sulfur?
[00:20:06] Speaker B: I think it's sulfur.
[00:20:07] Speaker A: What does. I mean, we could look this up while we're analyzing the page. I mean, that's what the Internet's for is asking questions like, what does brimstone smell like? Yeah.
[00:20:16] Speaker B: Yes, but we need smell O Vision. Right?
[00:20:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:19] Speaker B: Smell O Vision. That would spray this.
[00:20:21] Speaker A: Oh, hey, it even. It's a top search here.
[00:20:23] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:20:24] Speaker A: Brimstone, historically associated with sulfur. You were correct. Has a strong pungent odor, often described similar to rotten eggs or burning matches. Okay, well, there we go.
[00:20:32] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:20:33] Speaker A: So it smells like burnt matches every time he teleports.
Okay, well, he goes back to the.
[00:20:41] Speaker B: Sorceress, the non source.
[00:20:43] Speaker A: The non sorceress.
[00:20:44] Speaker B: The man. The flight attendant.
[00:20:46] Speaker A: The flight attendant who's more powerful than anyone in this story.
[00:20:49] Speaker B: Right, right, right. By far, easy.
[00:20:51] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:20:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:53] Speaker A: And Arcade's just going off about Fatso. Fatso? Geez. Here we go. Arcade, you are a bad guy.
[00:21:00] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:21:01] Speaker A: He's kind of a jerk.
[00:21:02] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:21:03] Speaker A: And then he's like, what's this brimstone smell? And he's like, huh. Well, I'll be. Only one body in the world makes a stink like that.
You know, I don't think that's true. I think there are quite a few human bodies that make a stink like that. Like, I mean, poor Nightcrawler. Like, I was on the train to.
[00:21:20] Speaker B: To To Pax and probably smelt a few bodies that smell like that.
[00:21:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Or, you know, things that come out of bodies that smell like that, I think.
Well, I don't know who this woman is in the Electra costume.
[00:21:35] Speaker B: Well, kind of. She's got like an electric costume, but she's got a.
[00:21:39] Speaker A: She's got like a half of electric.
[00:21:41] Speaker B: Her right arm is. Is completely exposed and her right leg is completely exposed.
[00:21:47] Speaker A: Oh, and we are missing some gems by looking at the screen because we had a Hubba Bubba ad in here.
[00:21:52] Speaker B: Gunfighter ads. Yes.
[00:21:53] Speaker A: An ad for Rom.
[00:21:55] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:21:56] Speaker A: What? Oh, wow. Okay. This is why it's fun to have the original. Oh, we're not to the Rom ad yet, though. Okay. So. Yeah. Do you know who this person is?
[00:22:04] Speaker B: Um, I've lost her name. It's in Ms. Locke. It's. Yeah, it's on there. Ms. Locke. She is. She's Arcade has.
She's like a martial artist and an assassin and she helps Arcade with the. Protect him and. And help him with his murder world. And the guy that she. That he's talking about is. Is actually Amos Jardine.
And it's interesting. I think it's a Chris Claremont kind of ad here is.
[00:22:29] Speaker A: Because, well, he is writing the book.
[00:22:31] Speaker B: Oh, I know. I'm. But what I'm saying is we're getting backstory, more backstory on the characters.
And Jardane owned the circus that Nightcrawler was in in Germany, and he was an acrobat and is. When Jardane bought the circus, he put Nightcrawler and put him in the freak show.
[00:22:53] Speaker A: Apparently he only had five appearances in Earth616.
So he started out in Man Thing.
[00:23:01] Speaker B: Yes, because Man Thing was in the circus too. And I. I don't remember who. Oh, it was Spider Man. Yeah. Spider man helped.
Helped him. It's actually another Marvel team up.
[00:23:12] Speaker A: So it's a Marvel. It's a Marvel team up storyline. Okay.
[00:23:15] Speaker B: Yes, that's good. So we're.
[00:23:16] Speaker A: Yeah, we've got some continuity in the old Marvel team up here.
[00:23:19] Speaker B: Right. And. And you know, so Jardine is through this. I think they wanted to kind of make him like a little bit of behind the scenes bad guy, but then I don't think he was impressive enough or memorable enough or flashy enough. Who knows? Who knows? We'd have to ask Chris, I guess.
[00:23:34] Speaker A: Yeah. Which you still can, so.
[00:23:36] Speaker B: Yeah, you still can.
[00:23:37] Speaker A: Well, I actually like that. Really like the panel layout on this page where you've got a split panel of the scene with Locke and Jardine and in the background you have Amanda and Kurt in the background talking and planning about what they're going to do. And now I'm.
I mean, Chris Claremont is a amazing writer, obviously, and wrote the X Men for a long time, wrote many things. And I wouldn't want to challenge, of course, Living Legends writing, but a little.
[00:24:06] Speaker B: Bit maybe because we're loud. Everybody's allowed.
[00:24:08] Speaker A: But Nightcrawler's power is to teleport, right?
[00:24:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:12] Speaker A: Okay.
And we don't. Do we know she's us has any magical powers at this point?
[00:24:17] Speaker B: Nope, not at all. And he doesn't because he actually talks about it in here. If I leave her here, she might get hurt.
So I better take her with me so I can protect her.
[00:24:25] Speaker A: Why? Well, you could just leave her there.
[00:24:27] Speaker B: And let her stay at the airport with all the police and the security and all that kind of stuff. There.
[00:24:32] Speaker A: Okay. So we're not going to know about being a sorcerer until it looks like six months from now. Okay.
Okay. So.
So they're setting it up. Clearmont's setting it up, but not yet. And anyway, they decide to go in a trunk of a limousine.
[00:24:51] Speaker B: Of Jardine's limousine.
[00:24:53] Speaker A: Okay. I mean, that is a strategy, of course.
[00:24:56] Speaker B: Yes. Well, they overheard Jardine firing Arcade to assassinate a hero, and we. It's not Nightcrawler. So if it's not Nightcrawler, who do you think that Jardine wants to assassinate gets assassinated.
[00:25:13] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay.
[00:25:14] Speaker B: The spider.
[00:25:14] Speaker A: I will say the two. The next page, where they're traveling in the limousine and they're telling a story. Um, there's a lot of text on this page, but it's fine because the. The panel layouts are really nice and accompany the text, and there's a big, long string of text, but they just kind of give it its own box.
So maybe a little bit of overriding on this page, but again, they're giving you all the background. So this is telling us the whole background of Jardine and what I shared.
[00:25:38] Speaker B: With you about the circus and that kind of stuff.
[00:25:40] Speaker A: What he's. What he's doing and. Yeah. Why. Why Nightcrawler is. It's having this massive reaction to this guy.
And then we flip the page in the book and we get an ad for one thing that is awesome and one thing that is okay and one thing that is totally disgusting. So there's an ad for Whoppers. Which.
[00:25:59] Speaker B: Do you want me to guess which one you think is disgusting?
[00:26:02] Speaker A: Yeah, the Whoppers burgers.
Iron on Cheryl Ladd patch.
And what is this? Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders and Kiss or Rom, which of these things do I think are disgusting?
[00:26:21] Speaker B: I will think that the T shirts is disgusting.
[00:26:24] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:26:24] Speaker B: That, though I don't know if you like Whoppers or not, which is kind of. It's not that weird. My dad really liked Whoppers, but they're okay. The malt doesn't. I really like malt, but ROM is awesome. So I guess Whoppers in the middle.
[00:26:35] Speaker A: That's how I guess Whoppers are at the bottom. Malted milk is by far one of the most disgusting things ever made. Oh, we have an appearance by Juliet here.
[00:26:44] Speaker B: Juliet coming in. She can't stand us talking without being involved.
[00:26:50] Speaker A: Come here, girl. There we go. There is an appearance of Juliet on the podcast. Welcome, Juliet. We're gonna put your tail right in Palmer's face.
[00:26:57] Speaker B: Yeah, that's all right.
[00:26:59] Speaker A: And Then. But so we get to the next. We. We get to the story and obviously we got to progress this and everybody ends up at the circus.
Awesome. And Nightcrawler's like, aha, I'm at the circus. My outfit was born for this.
[00:27:12] Speaker B: Yes, his outfit's born for it.
[00:27:16] Speaker A: Do you know how Cockrum came up with a lot of the costumes, like for Legion and X Men?
[00:27:22] Speaker B: I don't.
[00:27:23] Speaker A: So he was a big fan of. Of trying to incorporate new fashion trends into the storylines and into comics. So he would actually like watch like fashion shows and stuff.
[00:27:34] Speaker B: Oh, really?
[00:27:34] Speaker A: Yeah. So that's where you got some of these really like skimpy costumes that he. And then Mike Grail, who picked up Legion after him. My girl's kind of known for drawing a lot of the very skimpy costumes here. Right. In Warlord as well. And Green Arrow and Less than Green Arrow, I guess. But Warlord for sure.
[00:27:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:53] Speaker A: A lot of the fantasy stuff.
[00:27:54] Speaker B: You know, I do want to say costume. Sorry. I do want to say that I think that that's a full body costume. It's like a cat suit. I don't think that that blue is.
[00:28:02] Speaker A: Meant to be his skin. That's for sure. His skin.
[00:28:05] Speaker B: I don't know about that because he's got gloves on and it seems to be smooth.
[00:28:09] Speaker A: That's for sure.
[00:28:09] Speaker B: And he's furry.
[00:28:11] Speaker A: That's for sure.
[00:28:11] Speaker B: Like, Matt Crawl is furry. Like if when they draw a beast, he's furry.
[00:28:16] Speaker A: Are you looking? Are you? Did you see those muscles on the COVID That's for sure. His skin. Like, look at that.
[00:28:21] Speaker B: Well, but you could see Spider Man's muscles through the blue too. Huh?
I think it's a costume. We'd have to look and see.
[00:28:27] Speaker A: I think it's some skin, but you.
[00:28:28] Speaker B: Think it's some skin.
[00:28:29] Speaker A: Well, look at the other acrobats. So they are. They are open at the top and close at the bottom.
[00:28:34] Speaker B: Yeah, well, it doesn't really matter.
[00:28:37] Speaker A: I think clearly does matter.
[00:28:42] Speaker B: For those of you who may think that it's a costume.
I think it is a costume. No, Dan thinks it's skin.
[00:28:48] Speaker A: No, the red is the costume, the gloves are the costume, but everything else is furry. Nightcrawler.
[00:28:53] Speaker B: Furry Nightcrawler. Okay, okay, okay.
[00:28:56] Speaker A: That's just way too much.
That's. That's just way too much costume to wear around, to be mobile and to bam everywhere.
And you may be right. But I don't know. It looks like it's sitting over. So it's a two piece costume.
[00:29:08] Speaker B: Maybe yeah but if it's a cost, if it's not a costume, if you look, he'd be his, he'd be completely exposed at the bottom.
[00:29:16] Speaker A: I mean you may be right, but look how the neckline, the neck, the face and the neck goes right. It doesn't look like there's no split there. Is he wearing a mask too? Is his hair a costume?
[00:29:26] Speaker B: I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know for sure.
[00:29:28] Speaker A: I don't see any split there.
[00:29:29] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:29:29] Speaker A: Looks like the red part of the.
[00:29:31] Speaker B: Boots split a little sp.
[00:29:33] Speaker A: Nightcrawler may just like to be a little exposed.
I mean it's, you know, it's, well, you know it, I mean it could be fun, you know, like you got to move around a lot like that. Well, anyway, we are venturing with Nightcrawler and what is or isn't his costume into the circus here and we find out this Jardine guy wants to kill Spider Man.
[00:29:57] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:29:58] Speaker A: Because everybody does.
[00:29:59] Speaker B: Apparently it's center stage.
[00:30:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:30:00] Speaker B: And he's thinking about it as a, as, as a, as a, like, like I, it'll, it'll may be popular. Everybody want to see the circus where Spider man died.
[00:30:09] Speaker A: And I seen this has something to do with this man thing, thing we were talking about. So, but yeah, like okay, so we're back in the circus. He's trying to lure Spider man out and night caller's figured out the plot and he's going to go take care of things. And then lo and behold, guess who's taking pictures in the audience.
[00:30:28] Speaker B: Surprise.
[00:30:29] Speaker A: Oh, Peter Parker has made an appearance. By the way, Peter Parker in his own team up book makes his first appearance on page 11.
[00:30:36] Speaker B: Page 11, yes. So we've, well, and the only way you know it's Peter Parker is there's a P. Parker on the front of his camera. And I always wondered about like, like oh, we label everything. I should label this T shirt Palmer's T shirt or label, label this, this, this microphone, Dan's microphone. But you know, I don't know different.
[00:31:00] Speaker A: Artists and, and we flipped the page, we flipped the page in our book and we get more ads because this is a comic book. Yes, and, and number one in my Hulk books that I was getting as a little kid though didn't understand as a five year old. Trust me, like I, Yeah, but I remember these ads, these ads for the Merry Christmas Mighty Marvel's big money saving offer.
[00:31:20] Speaker B: Yeah, the offers. In fact I talked to my parents into subscribing to Marvel Team up from.
[00:31:27] Speaker A: One of those ads based off the holiday.
[00:31:29] Speaker B: Based off the holiday ad. Not this one. In a previous one. And they talked me into doing Marvel Team up so I'd see lots of heroes is what they did.
[00:31:39] Speaker A: And we can enter the Bubble Yum sweepstakes. So we've had Hubba Bubba and Bubble Yum. I mean, which are both still around.
[00:31:44] Speaker B: They're harder to find.
[00:31:45] Speaker A: What if you combine the two?
[00:31:48] Speaker B: I don't. I. I've probably done it. You know, I chew gum a lot, but I don't. I don't. I don't know. You know, what happens. I could definitely tell you that a rend in reality does not. And a black hole does not form and suck the planet in.
[00:32:00] Speaker A: It would be a sticky situation, though.
[00:32:01] Speaker B: Yes, it would be very sticky.
[00:32:03] Speaker A: So we've got this here.
[00:32:04] Speaker B: But it would definitely be sweet.
[00:32:06] Speaker A: It'd be okay. So God is sweet.
[00:32:10] Speaker B: Okay, never mind.
[00:32:13] Speaker A: Nope, response eight. Nope. Response nine.
So?
Well, Nightcrawler goes and tries to take a bullet for Spider man, thinking he could dodge it with his massively cool acrobatic skills. Because he's Nightcrawler and he has a tail.
[00:32:30] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:32:30] Speaker A: And he goes up and a gun pops out and shoots at him.
And he's got some sort of magic rocket bullets.
[00:32:40] Speaker B: He's got all kinds of weird little bullets. And in the later, they talk about him as darts, but I.
[00:32:46] Speaker A: You know, rockets, darts, something.
[00:32:48] Speaker B: I don't know. There's rockets and darts, apparently. I don't know what it is.
[00:32:51] Speaker A: He has a gun that shoots a lot of different types of bullets.
[00:32:55] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:32:56] Speaker A: Interesting.
[00:32:57] Speaker B: I wonder who else does those kind.
[00:32:58] Speaker A: Of things with arrows.
[00:33:00] Speaker B: With. With arrows. Yeah. You know.
[00:33:03] Speaker A: Well, anyway, the explosion knocks Nightcrawler around, but Spidey comes to the rescue, jumps on Nightcrawler's back, which doesn't really seem like it would help.
[00:33:14] Speaker B: No, no. I. I think maybe he's trying to swing in and pull him out of the way, but. Yeah. Because they both fall.
[00:33:21] Speaker A: Well, he's really doing it to keep his costume on so the audience isn't shocked.
[00:33:24] Speaker B: Right. And his. His leg is strategically placed in front of that spot that we were talking about with the costume. Not costume.
[00:33:31] Speaker A: Well, see, maybe it is. I mean it. Well, anyway, we get to the next page, and Amanda notes the crowd is loving the action of Spider man trying to save Nightcrawler. Spider man saves himself. Nightcrawler hooks himself with his tail.
I imagine that hurt the guy with the gun that now looks a lot Like Oliver Queen.
[00:33:57] Speaker B: Oh yeah. He does look like a little.
[00:33:58] Speaker A: It literally looks like Oliver Queen. Like it is like green hood.
[00:34:02] Speaker B: The green hood.
And he's looking.
[00:34:04] Speaker A: And a mustache like.
[00:34:06] Speaker B: Like the be Ollie. Ollie's beard, that's nice and trimmed. Perfect.
[00:34:09] Speaker A: But he has a gun that shoots a lot of different kind of bullets.
[00:34:12] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:34:12] Speaker A: And things.
[00:34:13] Speaker B: I have a question about that. If it's a gun and it's got a clip, how does he choose which. Which. Does he just plan out so well that he shoots whatever bullet he wants?
[00:34:21] Speaker A: I. I don't know. But we missed something important.
We in the middle of this. Holy crap.
[00:34:27] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:34:28] Speaker A: We got ads for every Star wars toy.
[00:34:31] Speaker B: Like yes. It's awesome.
[00:34:34] Speaker A: I want that. Can I have. Can you get me.
[00:34:37] Speaker B: This could get you the sand crawler. Yeah, I don't think they sell that. And from this. This ad anymore. Oh, it says see, see your favorite toy store now. Do you have a favorite toy store?
[00:34:48] Speaker A: They're mostly closed.
[00:34:50] Speaker B: I know. I. I mean, online maybe, I guess.
[00:34:54] Speaker A: Well, I did get I some. See, look. See?
[00:34:59] Speaker B: Oh yeah. Like we're talking about. There's Nathan Fillion.
[00:35:02] Speaker A: That is not Nathan Fillion.
[00:35:04] Speaker B: Guy Gardner. Guy Gardner.
[00:35:05] Speaker A: No, this is worse.
Yeah. Anyway.
[00:35:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:11] Speaker A: I mean it could happen. So you never know. But basically another shot kind of knocks Spider man around. Now Spidey's falling. Now Nightcrawler. So we flipped. Now Nightcrawler have to save Spider Man. So he yells the name of a Canadian ski city.
[00:35:29] Speaker B: He teleports again. Bam. Bamf. Spell of Brimstone.
The one thing about this panel is it's interesting because it. It. He. He supposedly teleports twice to cross like 50ft or something.
And there's no Brimstone on that one little piece. It's like. Like falling letters. Bam. Bam. And an image event spinning around. Oh, it's. It's ban.
I can't say the difference. Now it's B A N F F, not B A M. F. Do you see the difference?
[00:36:00] Speaker A: I. I mean, it is a little bit different.
[00:36:02] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:36:04] Speaker A: So if he accidentally says an, he ends up in Canada.
[00:36:07] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:36:07] Speaker A: But if he says an M, he ends up. And there's two Fs too.
[00:36:12] Speaker B: There's two Fs in the. In the Canadian hotel.
[00:36:15] Speaker A: Yeah. So we could get direct, you know, the.
[00:36:17] Speaker B: Some of the. Some of the anchors and some of the pencilers would. Would make bamf with B. A, A, A. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm. I mean, depending upon what they wanted to do. So it could be this.
[00:36:27] Speaker A: We did travel there in 10 hours and 24 minutes. Just check it out.
[00:36:30] Speaker B: 10 hours. Well, you know, and that would be a. A, A feat for nightcrawler. You know, just learning later about the limits of his power is he can't but like two or three miles and it's affected by the pole, by. By, by magnetics and the earth and that kind of stuff. So, like, he can go farther.
[00:36:48] Speaker A: Doesn't he sort of have to visualize where he's going to?
[00:36:50] Speaker B: He does. He does have to visualize.
[00:36:52] Speaker A: Or he.
[00:36:52] Speaker B: Or he.
[00:36:53] Speaker A: Or he could end up inside of a mountain or something. Like he could teleport blind. But it seems like a bad idea.
[00:36:57] Speaker B: But they. He talks about later. He talks about when he teleports. It. It puts a strain on his body. And not in this comic. In different comics, it puts a strain on his body. So he can't teleport more than about two or three miles Unless he's teleporting with the magnetic poles of the earth or something.
[00:37:13] Speaker A: Actually.
[00:37:15] Speaker B: According to physics.
[00:37:17] Speaker A: According to. Well, if we just had some file cabinets around us with some comic books in them. Yeah, we could go to them. We could go to them like she Hulk.
[00:37:25] Speaker B: I don't see them at all. I don't know.
[00:37:27] Speaker A: We could go to them like she Hulk does. Oh, she's doing cases.
[00:37:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:30] Speaker A: And just pull them out and pull the case out. Yeah.
[00:37:32] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:37:32] Speaker A: We could get the case law on. On the power.
[00:37:35] Speaker B: On. How far. Yeah, how far he can teleport?
[00:37:38] Speaker A: Well, we get to pay. We're on page 18 now. And everybody is copacetic.
Spidey and Spidey and Nightcrawler. Oh, wait, no. They're not safe because that the Oliver Queen.
We don't have. We don't have a name for this guy yet. In the book.
[00:37:57] Speaker B: It did actually say it's in his name. Said cutthroat is an assassin on one of previous, like four pages back when he shot first right there, I think. So go back and work on the other side.
[00:38:09] Speaker A: Who shot first?
[00:38:10] Speaker B: Who shot first? Well, Han shot first in. In that. But here.
[00:38:14] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
Perhaps for an average assassin with average equipment. But although cutthroat, who we don't know who that person is, may not quite be in arcades league, but neither is he average.
[00:38:26] Speaker B: He doesn't suppose he doesn't make mistakes, but.
[00:38:30] Speaker A: Well, he.
He's not real great.
[00:38:33] Speaker B: No.
[00:38:34] Speaker A: Is. Is he just slightly above average? Are we talking about, like, maybe he had like a 71 grade point and like a C, like just barely a.
[00:38:44] Speaker B: Yeah, we could be a C. That's.
[00:38:46] Speaker A: Usually not average anymore, though. I think A is, like, average now, these days. But anyway, yes. Nightcrawler, instead of bamfing in, burst in through some equipment to go after Mr. Cutthroat.
[00:39:00] Speaker B: It's. It's supposed to be something like a control booth or something, but, like, he was shooting, so wouldn't the window already be open? Or.
[00:39:07] Speaker A: Now Cutthroat is wearing, like, a costume design that is a combination of the Green Arrows costume of a cobra costume, not G.I. joe. Cobra. Right.
Like D.C. cobra.
[00:39:18] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:39:19] Speaker A: And Dr. Doom all at the same time, kind of.
[00:39:23] Speaker B: And it's got little things on his waist. It looks like. It kind of looks like first, when I read it, they looked like they were skulls to me. I agree, but I don't. I don't know that those are.
[00:39:30] Speaker A: This is a man out of time, because, yes, he had pouches in comics long before pouches were cool for costumes and comics. Like, sure. I think a young Rob Liefeld saw this and was like.
Like, this obcon should be everywhere. Like, everybody needs a pouches. Like, this is pouch supreme right here. That could be its name.
[00:39:54] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, I think LD should have drawn Nightcrawler because his feet are so weird. It wouldn't have mattered if he drew him bad.
[00:40:01] Speaker A: That's a good point.
[00:40:01] Speaker B: You know, he should have drawn Nightcrawler, you know?
[00:40:04] Speaker A: You know, Liefeld's been all over the Internet lately. Maybe we.
[00:40:07] Speaker B: Maybe we.
[00:40:07] Speaker A: We let him know. Yeah.
So, yeah, I think. I mean, actually, he did said something impressive the other day. He was talking about his Mount Rushmore of comic book creators, and Neil Adams was on his Mount Rushmore, and he said, neal Adams is the best illustrator in the history of comics. Which I agreed.
[00:40:24] Speaker B: So it's hard to. Who. Who do you list as better? I mean, who could you say is better? And I. You know, on top of my head, I can't. Now, I did tell you I don't follow artists and creators as much, but it is.
[00:40:36] Speaker A: It is hard to identify anybody that's better. I mean, honestly. But, I mean, there are a lot of great. Obviously, there are a ton of great artists. So, you know, and I think. I think with art, also, it depends on your style. Right. And what you prefer.
But, man, Neil Adams, even though he did go crazy for a while and think space aliens were real, which I do, too.
[00:40:55] Speaker B: But, I mean, spaces are real, but, you know, are they interested in us? I don't know.
[00:41:01] Speaker A: But, I mean, there are so many great Illustrators out there too. But yeah, I was, I was just. I was surprised that Neal Adams made his list, honestly, based on. On how he draws.
[00:41:10] Speaker B: So, you know, I'd love Neil Adams work, but right here I have a bone to pick with this page. So we get here and guess what?
[00:41:17] Speaker A: We're onto the Rick Buckler pages, by the way.
[00:41:19] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. We busts in the window and he's fighting him, and he's got his hand on the. One hand on a gun, left hand on his chest, and he's got his foot like bent up to his chest. On his chest as well, because Nightcrawler's super flexible.
[00:41:35] Speaker A: And is he.
[00:41:37] Speaker B: He punches him with his left hand. Now if you're punch somebody, where do you punch somebody? Do you punch them in the arm? Do you punch him in the leg? Do you punch him in the chest? Or do you punch him in the open, wide open face when you're trying to punch somebody? I'm thinking about face. But Nightcrawler punches him dead in the chest.
[00:41:55] Speaker A: And it hurts his hand because he's wearing like super armor or something, some.
[00:41:58] Speaker B: Kind of body armor.
[00:41:59] Speaker A: It hurts his hand so much, he falls down and is in pain.
[00:42:01] Speaker B: He's like, how, when? And then, and then he. And then this, this, I mean, above average. He does punch him back.
But Nightcrawler's like, oh, you know, Well, I mean, he.
[00:42:14] Speaker A: He punched him in the chest and then took a right hook to the jaw. I mean, that could kill anybody. We have more ads, by the way.
[00:42:20] Speaker B: Nice.
[00:42:20] Speaker A: We get elastic superheroes. Oh, Migo. These are Migo. Okay. And then we have an advertisement for the wrong comic book written by Bill Matlow and drawn by Sal Bushima.
[00:42:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:35] Speaker A: You get like a preview page.
[00:42:36] Speaker B: Yeah, like a one page preview of him fighting deviants.
[00:42:41] Speaker A: Well, we flip the page here and we get Spider man trying to get people out of the way.
Because now I do have to point out, I'm not sure how did this happen? So Spider man pops in, he helps him. Oh, this guy's gone though.
[00:42:58] Speaker B: The guy ran away.
[00:42:59] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:43:00] Speaker B: And Spider man helps him up. And then they, they detail reports, they swing out and he's running out of the crowd.
[00:43:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:43:06] Speaker B: And if you're reading along, you've got to read this.
Page 22, the top right hand panel. There is a guy running in the crowd with a Superman T shirt on.
[00:43:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Which is weird.
[00:43:19] Speaker B: And it makes me. It doesn't make me Wonder are it's Earth 616 and the DC universe actually the same Universe.
[00:43:27] Speaker A: Also. Also. Or was Rick Buckler just drawing for D.C. literally a year before and probably moved over to Marvel after the D.C. implosion happened, which we've chronicled on this podcast. It also did happen at Marvel, but for a quick recap, a giant snowstorm and increased paper prices had DC cancel a crap ton of books. And the book Rick Buckler was working on, Karate Kid, which is another Legion book.
[00:43:53] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:43:53] Speaker A: So we've got another Legion tie in. We had a Legion artist coming over to X Men and creating all the costumes. And then Rick Buckler drew a book which. Not I didn't enjoy very much, but called Karate Kid. Well, he drew some covers for it, and now he's over here, and conveniently, there's a Superman in the corner. I. Do you think he's sending a message?
[00:44:13] Speaker B: I. I don't know. Maybe he's trying to send a peace message, like to say, hey, we can all be friends.
[00:44:19] Speaker A: Or maybe you can. I can come back and you can me for.
[00:44:21] Speaker B: You can pay me for doing a book I like instead of having. Instead of doing filling in for Netzer when he left, for whatever reason, we.
[00:44:28] Speaker A: Don'T know why he didn't finish the book.
[00:44:29] Speaker B: Well, I didn't finish the book. Yeah.
[00:44:31] Speaker A: Well, now we have everybody's favorite stampeding circus animals.
[00:44:36] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:44:37] Speaker A: Because the solution to this is to not use my gun with its many cool things.
[00:44:43] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:44:43] Speaker A: But it's to release all the animals so they can stampede.
[00:44:46] Speaker B: Yes.
Tigers and elephants.
And it says all.
But we just see tigers and elephants. I think. I don't even think there's a lion. I don't even remember. We'd have to look at the next page to see if there's a line.
[00:44:56] Speaker A: I mean, it looks like Cuthbert sort of has a long history that pops up after this.
He apparently defeated Mangler and Deathstroke. Wait, how did he defeat Deathstroke?
[00:45:11] Speaker B: I don't. What? What? I don't. Maybe that's a different.
[00:45:14] Speaker A: Well, maybe they had to defeat Deathstroke to get rid of the character. Oh, we're going way into Cutthroat's future here.
[00:45:20] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:45:21] Speaker A: Oh, he trained with the taskmaster. Well, of course, because.
[00:45:23] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:45:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Gross.
Am I not the only. Am I. Am I the only person that hates the Taskmaster like things?
[00:45:29] Speaker B: Well, it's just a weird thing. The taskmaster is a weird thing. Like, I guess you get paid a lot of money to train, you know, henchmen.
[00:45:38] Speaker A: Okay. I mean, I don't want to judge people that need taskmasters or anything.
[00:45:41] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:45:41] Speaker A: I mean, no, that's their personal, like, choice and everything. That's the. I mean, we don't get into people's personal, like, habits.
[00:45:48] Speaker B: I wonder if a taskmaster talked Nightcrawler into wearing his mankini.
[00:45:52] Speaker A: That's possible. Maybe Amanda Septon is the task master. Or is she. Is she the key master?
[00:46:00] Speaker B: The key master.
[00:46:02] Speaker A: That's the.
Well, well, you know, I would never get distracted. I would never get distracted. Animal stampede. You could sell the grit, you know, you can.
[00:46:13] Speaker B: You can get grit.
[00:46:14] Speaker A: You can sell it, you know.
[00:46:15] Speaker B: It's not selling grit.
Is it the costume? Oh, yeah.
[00:46:18] Speaker A: No, it's always selling it. Selling. Selling the grit. I've never seen the grit ever in all the time. Oh, and more.
More Star Wars.
[00:46:26] Speaker B: Right.
Sweepstakes, too.
[00:46:29] Speaker A: It's almost like $5,000. It's almost like Marvel Comics had the license for Star Wars Comics or something. Previously advertising it.
[00:46:34] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:46:36] Speaker A: Well, we've got a big stampede going on, and Spider Man's taking care of the stampede. Nightcrawler goes to take care of Cutthroat.
Cutthroat looks like he's going to take out Nightcrawler one more time.
[00:46:47] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:46:49] Speaker A: And then as he's about to finish him off all of a sudden with a swip.
There we go.
And a click. But the click doesn't go anywhere.
[00:47:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:02] Speaker A: Cutthroat gun blows up in his face.
[00:47:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:06] Speaker A: And he survives.
[00:47:08] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:47:08] Speaker A: Well, because he's wearing armor in his face.
[00:47:11] Speaker B: His face.
[00:47:11] Speaker A: Well, he wasn't wearing face. You know what?
[00:47:13] Speaker B: It was a drop mask.
[00:47:15] Speaker A: When you have.
When you have a mustache and beard of that authority and of that authority and power. Like when you have an Oliver Queen.
[00:47:24] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:47:25] Speaker A: Like, style. Like Mike Grell inspired. Like, just beautiful.
Beautiful man. Like that. Like, you can't, you know, like.
[00:47:34] Speaker B: Which is why Oliver Queen can stand toe to toe with literal gods and super beings and be like, oh, here's an arrow. Bam, I knocked you out.
[00:47:43] Speaker A: Now, as you know from. From Era Comics, the only thing that can defeat Oliver Queen is his own chili.
[00:47:48] Speaker B: Oh. Oh, yeah.
[00:47:50] Speaker A: So here we have. And a punch from Green Lantern in a river.
[00:47:55] Speaker B: I don't remember that one, but.
[00:47:56] Speaker A: Oh, I do.
[00:47:57] Speaker B: Because they were in a comic together for a long time.
[00:47:59] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:47:59] Speaker B: I like that one, too. That's good. I love Green Lantern. Green Lantern is one of my favorite heroes.
[00:48:02] Speaker A: So that was the old Neil Adams run.
[00:48:05] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:48:06] Speaker A: So anyway, he. Cutthroat's next idea or. No, Cutthroat's out. He's Done.
And now Jardine is gonna take Amanda.
[00:48:17] Speaker B: Amanda.
[00:48:18] Speaker A: And take her and hold her hostage to now try to defeat.
I don't know. This is. He's. He's not the best villain, Mr. Jar.
[00:48:30] Speaker B: No. He tries to hold her hostage so he can escape, but when he opens the door, Cutthroat's in there all tied up. A Spider man special. You know, wrapped up. He should have left a note on him.
[00:48:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:48:40] Speaker B: You know, but he didn't.
[00:48:43] Speaker A: And. And then Nightcrawler bamfs in.
I mean, skis in. Skis in and teleports and grabs the gun. And then Spidey hits him with a web ball and then a punch.
[00:48:55] Speaker B: Oh, and this is the. We. This panel here. If you're reading along the. The. The punch is super weirdly drawn for.
[00:49:03] Speaker A: Me.
[00:49:05] Speaker B: So is because.
[00:49:07] Speaker A: Oh, did. Wait, before you continue.
[00:49:09] Speaker B: Oh, go ahead.
[00:49:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Did you get your hostess fruit pie? And is that why you're upset about the punch?
[00:49:15] Speaker B: Possibly because I didn't get my fruit pie. I couldn't let go of the punch. Okay, so Spider Man's got this weird punch. He's standing on his left leg with his right leg up and his right hand like this, and he's like this, and he's facing that way, and it's like, how are you punching somebody like this? It makes no sense to me. And he calls it a roundhouse, but that's obviously an uppercut.
And what's that? Is that sudok? Who's the guy who does the uppercut in. In Mortal Kombat? I don't remember. It doesn't. Doesn't matter.
[00:49:47] Speaker A: But Ryu, Ken, I guess you're talking about Street Fighter.
[00:49:50] Speaker B: Street Fighter. Not. Not Mortal Kombat. Street Fighter. I'm sorry, a rookie. Yes. And he punches the man who can lift 10 tons, punches Jardine, knocks him back onto his car, and he's alive too. He's alive too.
[00:50:06] Speaker A: Yeah, they mention it. They. They note that.
[00:50:09] Speaker B: Well, they note that the punch didn't knock him out.
[00:50:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
Wow.
[00:50:15] Speaker B: Dead.
[00:50:16] Speaker A: Oh, he was out before.
[00:50:18] Speaker B: There is a narco dart.
[00:50:21] Speaker A: Oh, they got him on him.
[00:50:23] Speaker B: They got him. So apparently the punch of 10 pound, 10 tons of force did not stop the. The circus. The evil circus owner. But a dart front with a style. One of the arrows, a stylized A on it. It's got an A on it. Oh.
[00:50:40] Speaker A: So the arcade storyline is going to continue for Spider man, but Nightcrawler says, I want to go have sex with Amanda and leaves.
[00:50:48] Speaker B: Well, I just use those words. And.
[00:50:51] Speaker A: And he says, tlc and Spider man says, looks like I get to stuck.
[00:50:55] Speaker B: Up mopping up again.
[00:50:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Wow. Okay. Well, you know, it wasn't the worst story.
[00:51:03] Speaker B: No.
[00:51:03] Speaker A: I could see for an 8 year old how this story would be awesome.
[00:51:07] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:51:08] Speaker A: I didn't hate the art. I thought most of the panel layouts were pretty cool.
I feel like they did kind of go downhill with Rick Buckner's Rick, Rick, Rick recipes. I mean, you're not. You've done a lot of things. So maybe, maybe not the best effort here. But you also gave us a story by picking up the last few pages which wouldn't have been drawn if you hadn't done it.
[00:51:30] Speaker B: Something else would have. Weird would happen. Who would have done it? I don't know.
[00:51:33] Speaker A: No one.
[00:51:34] Speaker B: No one. Maybe we wouldn't know that Amanda and Nightcarlin were going off to get some.
[00:51:39] Speaker A: TLC and some important things here.
Hey, we have the letters page here. Yes, I was going to go. What else was happening in Marvel Comics at this time? Do we know?
Shogun warriors number 12.
Daredevil number 162. Requiem for a Pug.
[00:51:58] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:51:59] Speaker A: Did he die?
[00:52:00] Speaker B: Where?
I don't know.
[00:52:03] Speaker A: I don't know. Well, who knows? Avengers number 191. Here's your land here. The Avengers on trial.
The Gray gargoyle strike.
[00:52:12] Speaker B: How many times the Avengers were put on trial because of Peter Henry Guy Rich.
[00:52:17] Speaker A: Star wars number 31, return to Tatooine.
[00:52:21] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. How many times do we get to go back to tattoo? Why is Tatooine? I mean, I get it, right? Anakin Saw Walker was born on Tatooine, Darth Vader, all these kind of things. We keep going back to Tatooine and Tatooine tattoo. It's like this planet on the rim. It's like why we keep going back there.
[00:52:37] Speaker A: More importantly, though, what was happening in X Men? Because that's it. It just.
[00:52:44] Speaker B: It's exactly where.
[00:52:45] Speaker A: Why? I want to know what this is. It says. Yeah, X Men 129. Professor X returns.
How many times return.
[00:52:55] Speaker B: Maybe that one.
[00:52:57] Speaker A: It says the description here says, Professor X returns. A new mysterious mutant enters the fold. And there's a crisis in Chicago.
[00:53:05] Speaker B: Oh, there's a Hellfire Club.
[00:53:07] Speaker A: Hellfire Club. Okay.
[00:53:09] Speaker B: It's.
[00:53:09] Speaker A: It's Hellfire Club time.
[00:53:11] Speaker B: You know what? I think this is pretty, pretty soon after this. Claremont. Claremont does the.
I want to say it's like around the same time where he actually depowers Storm.
So I think it's in maybe in this sequence, about the same time, he decides to take away her powers and.
[00:53:32] Speaker A: Kitty Pride's first appearance.
[00:53:33] Speaker B: Oh, nice. Yeah, the same. The same month.
Well, it says. And the release date was October.
[00:53:39] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what this was. So. Yep. All right, well, Kitty Pryde appears when Nightcrawler. And that's funny. So Nightcrawler is in a different book when Kitty Pryde appears, but he's in the X Men book too.
[00:53:49] Speaker B: Right.
[00:53:51] Speaker A: You know, can I just say, anytime I see this right here, James Logan Howlett, it just pisses me off.
[00:53:59] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:53:59] Speaker A: But anyway, that's all. But, you know, that's a whole podcast for another day.
[00:54:03] Speaker B: I do want to say, just on that. That scene, I actually read something somewhere where I think in comics, Logan or Wolverine says, hey, I'm not James Howlet. So he's putting all. He's putting things in. Maybe he's just talking about, I'm not that person anymore.
[00:54:21] Speaker A: Maybe that's on Earth 6177.
[00:54:24] Speaker B: But no, I think I. I think the comics coming out around now, there's. There's a scene where he rejects the James Howet, like, storyline because it's a weird storyline. The whole storyline is weird because he's like this. This wimpy.
[00:54:39] Speaker A: I can't believe I haven't seen Frosty Kid.
[00:54:40] Speaker B: And like a. I don't know. It's. It's just weird.
[00:54:44] Speaker A: Rom. Space night number two.
[00:54:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:54:47] Speaker A: The Dire Wraiths threatened to destroy the starborn Cyber Knight.
[00:54:52] Speaker B: Cyborg. Cyborg night. Yeah, Cyborg night.
[00:54:55] Speaker A: Okay, there we go.
Well, there's a lot of things going on and we're about done, but we hope you had fun with this.
[00:55:02] Speaker B: I did.
[00:55:03] Speaker A: And we do have a couple of things to advertise.
[00:55:06] Speaker B: Oh, we do?
[00:55:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:55:08] Speaker B: Well.
[00:55:08] Speaker A: Well, one, you know, if you want to see Greg and check on him and go see Ian, you could always visit the Retro Emporium and can't watch.
[00:55:15] Speaker B: Oh, definitely. Awesome.
[00:55:16] Speaker A: On Meeker Street.
[00:55:18] Speaker B: And if you're. If you're. Not.
Even if you're not a. The Retro Emporium, like, all the retro comic, that kind of stuff. He has been hosting recently. Some amazing people to come in there and play some music. And he probably shared with you, but it's been really cool. Like, some. I mean, I haven't been to a lot of them because I've got three kids who, by the way, are all named after superheroes.
[00:55:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:55:42] Speaker B: My oldest is named after Wolverine is Logan. My middle son is Nathan, who is Cable. And then I have Benjamin Bruce, Bruce Banner, Ben Grimm, Bruce Wayne. We can go on and on and on.
[00:55:56] Speaker A: So there you go. And then, of course, Travis, we mentioned, has a couple of Kickstarter things out, so definitely the Alex Poon cyborg continuation, so you should check that out. And of course, you know Travis from hosting this podcast with me the last few weeks. And then also, we. We do have one more shout out, but I bet you have no idea where this is.
[00:56:15] Speaker B: I have no idea where this is going.
[00:56:16] Speaker A: You have no idea.
[00:56:17] Speaker B: Well, maybe. Maybe not.
[00:56:18] Speaker A: The important thing, if you need an employment lawyer.
[00:56:22] Speaker B: Oh.
[00:56:23] Speaker A: And you need your lawyer to choke out the competition.
[00:56:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:56:28] Speaker A: You can check out jujitsu lawyer Paul, and you can just head over to 27th and Jackson, slash Bridgeport, and you can go over to certified martial arts, and you can find Paul for either your martial arts needs with Jiu Jitsu or your legal needs.
[00:56:43] Speaker B: Your legal needs.
[00:56:44] Speaker A: See, it. It works. And so we probably could have brought Paul in to see if that punch.
[00:56:50] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. To actually work. Would that punch work with the weird.
[00:56:54] Speaker A: But probably not.
[00:56:55] Speaker B: Probably not. Okay, well, does Paul punch that much? I think he grapples. Right.
[00:56:59] Speaker A: He can do some punching, but, you know, grapplers don't get their head hit. So. Yeah.
[00:57:04] Speaker B: Smart.
[00:57:05] Speaker A: All right, well, on that note, we are done. But we will. Well, Palmer one, but I'll see you next time with somebody. Maybe it will be Palmer, but it will very likely be Greg and it very likely be Booster Gold. Or this could be the advertisement that never ends.
[00:57:19] Speaker B: But eventually we're going to do Booster Gold number one. Sure.
[00:57:22] Speaker A: So I will see you all soon. Bye.
