Funny Book Forensics 355 Dan Heart Legion

[00:00:02] Speaker A: Ah, yes. We are back. [00:00:05] Speaker B: Best star to a podcast in history. Greg playing random noises for no particular reason at all. In fact, the cash register noise is exactly. Oh, yeah. All these great noises, all these things are exactly what I think of when I look at this comic. I'm so glad you're playing them. Thanks for picking something that actually fit. [00:00:22] Speaker A: The COVID You said his name four times before the podcast, and guess who is calling Darkseid? Not Darkseid. The one, the only. Travis Webb. [00:00:33] Speaker B: Travis Webb, creator. Creator of Starlight with Greg Smith and Brett Wadelli. Starlight, which we will review next episode. [00:00:44] Speaker A: Next episode? [00:00:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I mean, this is the end of the great Darkness saga, so we need something to review. And we might as well review Starlight since I'm supposed to get it in the mail. Oh, my goodness. Should have. Should have the, you know, the PDF. But, you know, since as an esteemed member of the media, I never actually get any advanced media copies or anything like that to review, you would think that Travis would want me to be prepared to review his book on my podcast that I host with you so he could get good press for the next Kickstarter, which would be starlight number seven. There you go. Look. Doesn't even know the issue of his own book coming out on a Kickstarter number seven. He had to count on his fingers and do some subtraction, square roots, some division to figure out. And you know why Greg has to think that much about the numbers in his comic book? Because he doesn't number the pages. If he'd simply number the pages, there would be no math involved. He could just say, oh, I'm on page x. That's issue seven. [00:01:49] Speaker A: I don't think the page numbering and the number of issues correlate to anything. I think it would help you. [00:01:58] Speaker B: So you just have a random number of pages in your book? [00:02:01] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, we have a random number. [00:02:03] Speaker B: Kind of like a Netflix show. It sometimes hours. Sometimes it's half hour, 43 minutes. Sometimes it's 113 minutes. We don't really know exactly. [00:02:11] Speaker A: Could be eight episodes, could be twelve. [00:02:13] Speaker B: Yeah. I love those shows. When you sit down and you're thinking, oh, I'm gonna sit down for, like, 45 minutes and watch the show. Oh, but it's a. It's a 58 minutes episode, and you're like, okay, I need to go somewhere. But now I want to watch these extra, you know, 15 minutes only invested. I can't. Yeah. Like, then I have to leave in the middle. It's fantastic. So those are my favorite. Yeah. So yeah, I almost like. I think the important thing about today is we do have, like, a 40 page comic book. And I think I should let the listeners know that Travis is not. But we are indeed a part of projectdashner.com. [00:02:50] Speaker A: Wow. Gee, some exclusivity there. [00:02:56] Speaker B: Well, so the listener should know. Travis once indicated that I am not a published author, which is not true. But he did indicate that to a group of people at a comic con. [00:03:06] Speaker A: And it is true. It is not true. You are a published author. [00:03:09] Speaker B: But I am a published author. [00:03:11] Speaker A: Is not Travis part of Project nerd? In a sense, if he actually. I mean, his podcast is on our network, and our network is on Project nerd. [00:03:21] Speaker B: Yeah, but we haven't negotiated for his podcast to be on Project nerd. We'd have to go back. We'd have to go back to Iggy. Look, Iggy. We'd have to go back to Iggy. We'd have to renegotiate that. We haven't updated all of our podcasts onto Project nerd. We only have recent ones. You just have to go to our feed and our YouTube, and you can get the old ones. And the most important thing about all that, though, is I would have to go to Iggy and convince him that Travis was of high enough quality to be on Project Asher. And I'm just letting you know, Iggy has standards. So if you go to projectdashner.com, comma, you should expect only the best podcasts with the best intros, just like ours. [00:04:00] Speaker A: Our intro is fantastic and great, and I'm glad that you mentioned that. It is good. I mean, you could hear the sound perfect. Crystal clear. Because Greg has a new fan today. So Dan is a fan today as well. Dan is a fan of Greg's fan today. [00:04:15] Speaker B: I'm a fan of known noises that I have to edit out of the podcast. So as long as we have a new fan and, you know, while we're on things that annoy Dan, I am annoyed with your other co author, Michael Tanner, and his dismissive attitude on social media. [00:04:31] Speaker A: What did Michael Tanner do to you? [00:04:32] Speaker B: Well, he posted about how much he loved fallout. And I just posted a little line about how I didn't like the fact that we didn't just follow one character at the start of the story. And, boy, he just said, well, he said I was limited. You were limited in my viewpoint. In your viewpoint. Yes. Doesn't make arguments. He just attacks people and calls them names. [00:04:53] Speaker A: I find it funny that he made that comment to you. And then when I discussed the show with him, he was a whole different bunch of bananas. [00:05:02] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. That's funny. Well, I actually have watched more episodes and, you know, it's okay and I will finish it. I'm only like four or five episodes in, so I will go ahead and finish it. But I was thinking, like, my favorite thing. Did we already talk about this on the podcast? I think my favorite thing about playing the game of Fallout is you follow the person coming out of the vault and you learn about the whole world. And spoiler, which shouldn't spoil too much, but in the first episode of Fallout, if you haven't watched it yet, you can just turn it off. But if you've watched it, that's fine. I'm not going to spoil too much. I'm just going to say what they introduce. But they introduce the vault, they introduce ghouls, and they introduce the Brotherhood of Steel. Right. Like, I don't want all of that introduced at the beginning of the game. I want to discover it at the first person viewpoint of the person going out into the world and discovering those things. That to me is the model of the game and what makes it work. And of course, the big a decided, big a studios decided to change that and make it different. [00:06:02] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I would say from a viewer perspective, I mean, from the game player perspective, I can understand and I can appreciate. Yeah. From a fallout game playing perspective, I can appreciate your comment, Terry, and your comment and your viewpoint from a tv viewing perspective, from someone watching the show with my wife, who never played any of the games and had no understanding of the world, she watched it and was like, oh, okay. Oh, okay, what is this? And I'd explain a little bit. We pause it. [00:06:42] Speaker B: Yeah, but wouldn't she go, o okay. If the world is slowly being discovered and explained to her as she goes, so you didn't have to pause it and actually explain the things to her. [00:06:51] Speaker A: And hold on to that thought for a second. Cause we're going to. Since we're talking about fallout in the show for a second, there are some moments that, from a storytelling perspective, and I think you can agree to this from a game playing perspective and from a storytelling perspective, as someone who is an avid reader of stories, there are some moments that could have been expanded and could have been tightened up to either explain things or progress things in different ways. [00:07:23] Speaker B: Like, and I know you have to pay a certain actor to be in every single episode, but wouldn't it have been way cooler if, say, that first sketch happened at the beginning of the show and then say that character didn't end up show up until like the fourth episode or third episode as part of the story. [00:07:42] Speaker A: I could see that. I could see that. [00:07:44] Speaker B: Cause it would have been the third episode. Right. And he would have gone after the head and all that. Yeah. So like, that would have been kind of cool. But anyway. Okay, I'm gonna pause on that there. Cause I don't want to give away any spoilers. Do go watch fallout. But I'm just going to say this now. It's not like they didn't have a model of a video game show that might have been the best show on television last year that followed the two characters as they learned about the world throughout the different episodes. I'm just saying something about the last of something. [00:08:14] Speaker A: I thought you were talking twisted metal, which honestly, I felt twisted metal was a great, a great way to. [00:08:21] Speaker B: Well, you can feel that. But it was not known as the. [00:08:24] Speaker A: Best show on television last year. It wasn't the best show, but it was a great way to tell a story from a perspective of here's the world, here is the lore, here are things that happen. It's not gonna be like, because it's not gonna tell it just as, as you know it from the gameplay, but here's how things get built out. [00:08:44] Speaker B: Well, maybe that's true, but. But last of us was, I think, probably the best show on television last year. Okay, well, sure you haven't. So anyway, the reason I bring up fallout and introducing worlds and having to explain things is if there is a criticism of the great darkness saga, I have a feeling that there are going to be some pages where I have to explain some things to Greg in this issue who's never read the legion of superheroes, because you show up and. [00:09:16] Speaker A: You'Re like, who the heck are these people? Who invited them to the party? [00:09:20] Speaker B: Well, and I think it's an interesting discussion because the, the lack the criticism, the anti criticism of fallout. Is that right? They're doing a lot of fan service, right. They're giving the fans what they saw in the game. And I do feel like this issue does both. I think it tells a story that anybody could just read and, and get excited right, about what they're reading. And maybe they don't even know those characters. And the first time I read it, I didn't know a lot of those characters, but I just wanted to learn more about them because it was cool. And I was like, who are these people and where did they come from? And I, of course, being the nerd that I am sought out, like back issues and stuff and tried to find out who those characters were. On the other hand, I do think it could be a little off putting to the reader when all these characters show up and they're like, who are those guys? [00:10:11] Speaker A: I think anytime you got fan service where, like in the tv show, a fallout, where there's a bunch of fan service, Easter eggs and other stuff like that, either for the fan themselves that knows the property or for the new person watching it and becoming a fan, they're going to get excited by it. And then for the studios behind it, be it the game company or for the production studio, and same with the comic book company, putting together this book for Legion of superheroes and bringing all these different things and elements to this book and servicing the fans of the old stuff and then myself being, being new, like you said, going back and finding any of those old characters that I'm like, who's that? All those things. What they do is they add up to the, because everybody wants to go find that, that whatever. And for all the different studios and people who produce those things, it just brings that back to the house. [00:11:09] Speaker B: Well, that may be true in this day and age, but I think here that DC Comics is not going to make anybody any money off of people going in and back issues, right? [00:11:20] Speaker A: Well, that's true. They might not make money getting back issues, but they might get people getting subscriptions or other things like that or getting excited about things and going to those, those conventions and seeking down those creators. And those creators. [00:11:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Now there is a, there is a maxi series that comes out of one of the teams that show up a couple years later. I was trying to look it up. It was not well received. So that did happen. But, yeah, I mean, there was at least one spinoff from one of the characters we see. And so I'll mention that when we get there. But, yeah, I mean, is it a. [00:12:03] Speaker A: Baby, I think, spin off of the baby? [00:12:06] Speaker B: Well, okay. So that we'll talk about that separately because that's not a legion of superheroes character. And so I will just say, like, yes and no is going to be the answer, but it's not going to be in, it's not going to be set, like, in this timeline. Right. So. And it may have had been given to some guy. Well, there's two appearances and. Okay, we'll get into that when we. [00:12:36] Speaker A: Get into dark side worms, people. [00:12:39] Speaker B: Yeah, well, you did because, I mean, we have some Jack Kirby, but we also have some John Byrne and which, thinking of Jack Kirby makes my soul warm and happy, excited and all the Kirby crackle. We're working at the COVID and thinking of John Byrne makes me want to torch comic books. So it's, you know, a fundamental difference. Right. In how we're going to approach the world here. Cataclysm. Yeah. So, I mean, there's that, but, yeah, I mean, it's definitely, definitely based off this book. We are going to have new. We're going to have a reinvigoration of. Reinvigoration. I don't know. That's a word. [00:13:19] Speaker A: Reinvigorating ourselves with the comics. [00:13:22] Speaker B: I have a doctorate in words, so I get to make them up with that. Yeah. And I think there is a fourth world omnibus with the John Byrne stuff in it if people want to go read it, so. But anyway, I don't want to talk about the John Byrne stuff first, though. I think we should probably bridge that. So let's. We should probably jump into the book. So this is one of the most iconic covers for the legion. It's run everywhere. There is a big dark side head on it, there's Kirby Crackle all around it, and the legionnaires are on their knees worshiping darkseid, and it's. [00:14:01] Speaker A: That's scary stuff right there. [00:14:02] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's not so good. I was gonna ask you. There is a pseudo reference to the japanese battlefly. [00:14:12] Speaker A: I don't think so. Looking at it, it's. It's not so much. It's. It's a, it's. It's a sun in the background, but it's, I think what you're getting. What. What you're seeing on this cover is not that. Okay. [00:14:27] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's what I'm gonna ask you. Is it too close? [00:14:29] Speaker A: It's not. You're just seeing, you're seeing a, a sun in the background with some, some crackle and stuff like that, but it's not in the, in the, the broke out lines and stuff like that. So it's not. It's. It's not quite there. [00:14:46] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. I was just wondering how close he. [00:14:48] Speaker A: Thought it was, but not quite, but. [00:14:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, this cover, like we talked about the last cover, we talked about the covers getting better. Right. I think the first issue, the first issue with the servant walking on the white background with the mis colored logo, not necessarily something people would grab off the newsstand. It looks very bronze age. It's not. It doesn't look like the giffen stuff that we're seeing. The second issue, where the ball of energy on it. And the legionnaires in the dark. Yeah. The one with the baby on it. We said maybe. But there is the cool fight scene in the background, last issue with the logo being torn down and everything. Definitely grabbing that. And then obviously, obviously this cover. I mean, if you're a kid walking by this, you're like, this is immediate, right? You're grabbing. [00:15:36] Speaker A: This looks pretty even big. [00:15:38] Speaker B: But you gotta pay a dollar instead of 75. [00:15:40] Speaker A: But you'd pay a dollar for this. Got an extra. It's a giant size book. It's a lot. It's a lot of book to get. [00:15:45] Speaker B: You know, it's, I mean, $0.60. It's a dollar instead of $0.60. So. [00:15:49] Speaker A: Forty cents. Forty cents. Worth it for extra pages? [00:15:55] Speaker B: Well, I think so. Because the other thing, I'll say, well, let's get into it. I want to get in the book. So this is a given in mild stock cover. And we're in. And it says DC, where the action is down in the corner, because it sure is. We are here. And what, just, by the way, like, with this book? With this book, it's a December 82 cover date. So we're looking at a release date of what? October. And between this and what's going on in new Teen Titans. Wow. They've really made a turn transitioning almost from the Bronze Age to the modern age. Right. We are here. And it is. The funny thing is it feels almost like a Marvel Bronze Age book. [00:16:39] Speaker A: How's that feel? [00:16:41] Speaker B: And it's like DC finally gets it. [00:16:43] Speaker A: They're like, hey, check it out. We can. We can come to the table and bring you the thing that you've been wanting. Check this out. And I'm. I'm not gonna. I'm not even gonna lie. When you start reading this book, it definitely has it. It is like gloves are off. If you were thirsty. [00:17:01] Speaker B: And we get. [00:17:01] Speaker A: You're thirsting for that thing, better drink up because this is your damn bottle. [00:17:08] Speaker B: And we start off with the page with Bradyock five restating what he said last issue. The conclusion, is it inescapable, my friends? We face and it's dark side in big rocky letters. And we get the epic conclusion of the great darkness saga by Paul Levitz and Keith Giffen. Writer, co plotters and penciler Larry Maldstadt inks John Costanza on letters. Call Gafford on colors. Laurie Sutton and Karen Berger. Introducing Karen Berger as a co editor of this book. She didn't go on to do anything important in comics. [00:17:35] Speaker A: No, I hear she made a couple, couple of good movies. [00:17:38] Speaker B: So something with Virta and go. And finally, because we know it's Darkseid, dedicated to Jack Kirby. With respect and thanks. [00:17:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:52] Speaker B: So the king is, has been named. And here we go. [00:17:57] Speaker A: I think you could make this book. I'm gonna just say it. You cannot make any of this book and not have him in here. [00:18:05] Speaker B: Well, and I don't think, honestly, with. Here's the thing about Keith too. Keith does not draw like Jack Kirby. Right. Nobody draws like Jack Kirby. But the Kirby crackle. The cosmic. All the kirby things here. Almost silver surfer like dedication in a lot of respects. With all the cosmic stuff and everything. I mean, I couldn't. I wouldn't. I hope Jack liked it. I actually have never seen an interview about this and the reintroduction of dark side into the DC from Jack Kirby's perspective. I think the reason is, and this is. I guess I'll bring it up already. So superpowers is introduced in 84. So a couple years late, about a year and a half later. So they do bring Jack Kirby back to draw dark side again in the five issue superpowers miniseries. So, you know, it's, it. They do bring Jack Kirby back into the DC fold temporarily and. But that's a super friends book, right? Like, that's the weird thing. This is so dark side. Yeah. Like, and the superpowers show and the superpowers comic. The art's amazing. The models are amazing. But it's like Darkseid is a mustache twirling villain going, ha ha ha. And going back through. [00:19:14] Speaker A: Gotcha. [00:19:14] Speaker B: Going back through the boom tubes. And this dark side is not that. [00:19:19] Speaker A: This dark side is like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna kill you and I'm gonna. It is I'm gonna kill all your friends and your family and I'm gonna destroy every universe. I'm gonna destroy it all. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna do some more stuff and we're gonna get to that. And it's not gonna be, it's not gonna be pretty. After we hit page 20, I'm like, oh, I'm just saying. I'm just saying it right there on page two. I mean, you hit page 20, folks, and it is like a. The book changes. Yeah, okay. [00:20:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. And we do also, just looking it up too. We do get a six issue new God series from June of 84 to November of 84 drawn by Jack Kirby. [00:20:10] Speaker A: And I will say this. If you haven't read the new gods books, people and maybe we might jump into that later. But, like, it's definitely, definitely some cool stuff. Kirby had some really interesting ideas, and I don't think a lot of people might have been ready for that type of stuff. [00:20:28] Speaker B: Well, I mean, we covered. We've covered some. We did cover omec. [00:20:32] Speaker A: Yeah, we covered Omec. [00:20:35] Speaker B: I stayed away from the new gods on purpose when we went back and covered that book just because I want to cover something Kirby, but I didn't want to get into all the new gods lore. Cause I would have to read everything. Yeah, I feel like it's a lot. [00:20:49] Speaker A: And, I mean, I read that's, like, I picked up omnibus. Like, my mother in law gave me. Like, a, like, here's some. Here's some fun money. Go buy something cool for yourself. And I was like, I'm just gonna pick up this Jack Kirby omnibus. [00:21:04] Speaker B: Oh, you have the omnibus? [00:21:05] Speaker A: I do. The new God's one. [00:21:07] Speaker B: Why don't you. You should tell me these things. Yeah, I was gonna buy it. Well, so this ended up. So being the Legion collector at IBM did a volume two, and volume two has this in it. So I've got to go get volume two, even though I have this reprinted twice and the originals. So maybe I don't need volume two, Jack Kirby stuff. But then you should. [00:21:31] Speaker A: I was like, I mean, how do you not want Kirby? [00:21:34] Speaker B: And then. [00:21:35] Speaker A: Yeah, so, I mean, we could talk that. Yeah, that's a whole other discussion stuff. [00:21:41] Speaker B: Well, and DC keeps trying to bring the new gods back. Right? They do it again. It looks like it was. I thought it was John Byrne, so I was wrong. So Paris Collins got a shot at it from 89 to 91. So, yeah, it was even further out. So, you know, I forgive you, John Byrne. Like, they did give you. They gave some other people a shot. [00:22:01] Speaker A: I'll say. [00:22:02] Speaker B: I'll say it on the podcast. [00:22:03] Speaker A: Like, you know, DC, if you're listening, like, come at me, bring me, bring me in, put me in, put me in. [00:22:11] Speaker B: Coach or leap? Yeah. I mean, no offense to new gods, but I'd rather have you writing legion with me plotting it personally. [00:22:21] Speaker A: You'd rather do that than then have me. Have me try to do new gods? [00:22:26] Speaker B: Well, if you do new gods, I will not be involved. But if you do legion, I will be plotting right away while you write it. So, yeah, I mean, like, that's. [00:22:33] Speaker A: I mean, you seem. [00:22:34] Speaker B: I would. I would love a shot at plotting Legion of superheroes. You've seen. [00:22:39] Speaker A: You've seen my, my, my taken apart superhero. My take at a taken apart deconstructed superhero book. So I don't know. [00:22:51] Speaker B: But anyway, we should. Well, we should get to the book because we are. We are way off track now. [00:22:55] Speaker A: Well, that's what happens, man. That's what happens. [00:22:58] Speaker B: But we are. We are in. And dawn star says something, and she says, I understand, brainiac. How. How can you put a name to the master of darkness? And why do you sound as though you expect us to know it? And he explains. So we get some exposition because we're introducing Darkseid to the 30th century for the first time. [00:23:23] Speaker A: It's new. [00:23:24] Speaker B: So he explains the machines on the planet, the horrors. Apocalypse. It's real. It's the ruins of this planet. That just was scary. And, uh, you know, I mean, DC's done a little bit with Darkseid since, so. I mean, Batman even shot him with a gun at some point, so it turned him into baby Darkseid, which. That was weird. So I'm not even sure how I feel about all that. [00:23:51] Speaker A: You gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. And Batman does what he does. [00:23:54] Speaker B: Yeah. So Greg comes back with a vengeance here, and. [00:24:00] Speaker A: You don't like it when I make too much noise. I put myself on mute. Okay. [00:24:04] Speaker B: Yeah. Box fall down. He had to clean the office. [00:24:06] Speaker A: A box fell down, Dan. [00:24:08] Speaker B: Anyway, they explain everything. They start explaining to all legion who it is. Well, not all of the legion. The group that's there. So we've got Dawnstar, Starboy, Shadow last, Timberwolf, Element lad, ultra boy and Phantom girl. I guess they woke them back up. And I would say Brady X five. Explanation probably lost on Timberwolf and Ultra boy, but the rest of them are probably picking most of it up. [00:24:32] Speaker A: It's for a meeting. [00:24:35] Speaker B: It is. I do think take. Yeah, if we had. We did. You know what? We were supposed to have drinks ready for this. And I don't. [00:24:40] Speaker A: I don't either. [00:24:40] Speaker B: And there's gonna be a. I think we'd be dead. Cause if we drank for all the Kirby crackle. [00:24:45] Speaker A: Oh, my God. There's too much. Dude, 42 pages of Kirby of anything. Yeah, no, I. [00:24:52] Speaker B: Well, the good news is, or bad news is brainiac five summarizes all of this by saying he is evil incarnate. And if the legends are accurate, he has the power of a guy. [00:25:03] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, I like the. I like the image of brainiac five right there with the somewhat negative space being used like this, just how he is utilized and then the light shining through. It's just a cool image. [00:25:18] Speaker B: Well, sorry. Yeah, no, I mean, it's amazing. It's a cool panel, like, yeah. And it was one more where Keith didn't have to draw face. [00:25:26] Speaker A: But see, it looks so cool in the absence of. [00:25:30] Speaker B: I will say, though, with Keith, you can also always see when he's in, he has to get stuff in a hurry because the first big panel looks amazing. No faces because everybody's obscured in shadow. The second big panel, they're all looking away at the planet, so there are no faces. Then we get a panel with faces. Then we have another panel where they're obscured, and then we've got brainiac five obscured. So we only had to have four pace faces on the first, you know, big spot pages, which. But it's so cool. It's still cool. [00:26:00] Speaker A: Smart. [00:26:01] Speaker B: Well, now we're gonna have some now we're gonna have some faces. So dream girl is up in the ship listening to everything, and, and Sunboy's like, is there a chance he's wrong? And they're like, no, no, he is not wrong. And White Witch is like, dark side. Even the name sounds so cool. And. And Dreamgirl's like, hey, we're frightened. And she's like, lightning lad. Already sent for the active legionnaires and reservists, but that's not enough. [00:26:33] Speaker A: Not enough. [00:26:34] Speaker B: They. They turn on the general alarm and they call everybody they can possibly find. So first off, you see the substitute heroes, and they're like, oh, legionnaires are finally sending for us. [00:26:50] Speaker A: Yay. [00:26:51] Speaker B: Today we put the substitute heroes on the map. [00:26:56] Speaker A: That they get the call. It's great. [00:27:00] Speaker B: Now, another cool thing that happens in this book is we get the return of Supergirl to the book and Superman. She's, I think, floating around in Superman family at this point, and that book's about to come to an end. So we get Supergirl showing up back with the Legion of superheroes. I don't think it's the very first time, but it could be. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Back in legion, Superboy and Legion 204. Most of her time seeing the legion of superheroes was in the adventure comics days in the sixties, so. Very cool. And Supergirl will stay around in the comic for a while. Yeah. So. And then something happens in 1984 with Supergirl, and she doesn't get to be in the comics anymore. Some famous cover. Oh, from crisis. [00:27:50] Speaker A: Oh, oh, that thing. [00:27:52] Speaker B: Oh, I thought you were talking about the movie. No, not the movie. Yeah, this is. Well, anyway, that's terrible. We didn't get a lot of headband Supergirl in this one yet. But anyway, so we go to the next page and you were looking for death and murder. You got it. [00:28:14] Speaker A: This is horrible. [00:28:17] Speaker B: Yeah. So let me read this one. So, to be precise, 3 billion superpowered beings under dark sides, total control. Could be that terrible. The population of the planet Dax and bent on his fiendish will and sent out to conquer the universe in his name. They're doing a very good job for a very bad cause. [00:28:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:37] Speaker B: And you just see hordes of flying people just destroying things. We get inhabited worlds destroyed. They say. We get the science police arsenal designed to inhabit inhabitants of a hundred different worlds are powerless. Siam policer outpost is getting destroyed, and it looks like all of Thanagar has been murdered. [00:28:58] Speaker A: Yeah, this is messed up. This is like. This is page four, folks. This is rough. [00:29:05] Speaker B: And you don't. You know, it's interesting. You don't usually see the thanagarian police or the Hawks, like, in the 30th century, but I guess Keith wanted to draw the Thanagarians, so there they are. [00:29:14] Speaker A: This is, like, now the third appearance I think they've. They've had in this. In this. In this story. [00:29:19] Speaker B: Well, there was one, like, standing in. [00:29:20] Speaker A: A background, just in the background, like, they're two times. Two times they've been in the background. In other wow. [00:29:26] Speaker B: Issues, here's a whole bunch of dead than. [00:29:28] Speaker A: Oh, man. Foreshadowing. They're. [00:29:31] Speaker B: They're not around in the future, maybe not after this. [00:29:34] Speaker A: Oh, my God. It's terrible. [00:29:37] Speaker B: Well, now we get. [00:29:39] Speaker A: Just thought they flew away. [00:29:40] Speaker B: So now we get some folks in here, and we get a bunch of unnamed Daxomites, and they're fighting a guy in a black and orange costume. [00:29:53] Speaker A: Oh, with spiky hair. [00:29:55] Speaker B: No, not that guy. Yeah, no, sorry. That's black and blue and yellow. I was talking about the black. [00:30:00] Speaker A: Oh, the black and orange one. Okay, sorry. Sorry. [00:30:02] Speaker B: Yeah, it's the guy saying, damn it. You guys cannot simply fly in and wreck a nerve center of the interstellar counterintelligence corpse. Like it was a toy. A ten credit kid's toy. Ten credit kids toy. [00:30:14] Speaker A: Get out of here. [00:30:16] Speaker B: And in the background, we get some language says patience Devm. So if you were a fan of the Krypton show, you would have been introduced to a version of Devm. Devm was originally known as the Knave of Krypton in an original story, but he went to the future and he reformed himself, and he became a good boy. But he didn't destroy the Legion. Join the Legion of superheroes. But he's been floating around in the background for a long time. And. Yeah, it even notes here because Laurie Sutton is on her game for this one. The whole story of Devm can be found in adventure comics 320, which is a long time ago. [00:30:56] Speaker A: That's good. [00:30:57] Speaker B: So here we go. And we also get introduced to another group here. I am a Volvo lad from the heroes of Lawler. He's Volvo lad. Yeah. Well, evolve. He evolves. He can either become like a gorilla or become like a super evolved guy with mental powers. [00:31:15] Speaker A: Okay. [00:31:16] Speaker B: So he can devolve and evolve himself. [00:31:18] Speaker A: He evolves and drives. [00:31:19] Speaker B: Evolve. [00:31:20] Speaker A: Got it. [00:31:21] Speaker B: Yeah. We are going to see these folks again. But we have life last. She can make things. Inanimate objects come to life. So that's what was pulling the folks away. We have duplicate boy who can duplicate anybody else's powers. [00:31:35] Speaker A: That's a good power. [00:31:36] Speaker B: He seems useful in this fight. Yeah, it seems like him and Devm are the only useful. And. And, of course, though, you don't see her using her powers because they're silent but deadly. We have gas girl. [00:31:48] Speaker A: Oh, man. She drops the stinky bombs. [00:31:50] Speaker B: Yeah, she can eat. Really? Maybe. I mean. [00:31:54] Speaker A: Cause that always gets me. It's like, you know, I don't know. [00:31:57] Speaker B: I don't eat there because the food is just. [00:31:59] Speaker A: Oh, you should. If you ever want to clean out real good, you know, just, like, go there. [00:32:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I think there's, like, colon cleansing for that or something that probably tastes a little better. [00:32:07] Speaker A: Beverage line called Baja blast. It's the lower blaster. [00:32:12] Speaker B: It's the extremities. Is that what you take before a colonoscopy? [00:32:15] Speaker A: Baja means. Baja means lower. And blast is what it does. So it's the Baja blast, the lower blast. [00:32:22] Speaker B: We will see. We will see the heroes of Lala again in this issue. But additionally, like Jim Lawler. [00:32:33] Speaker A: You say Lawler, the hero's a lawler, not Jerry Lawler. [00:32:38] Speaker B: Who are you talking about? Are you just making up Lawler names? [00:32:43] Speaker A: I'm speaking of Lawler names. Jim Lawler. [00:32:46] Speaker B: Jim Lawler. Jim Lawlor. Jerry Lawler's cousin. He was the. He was the. He was the crown court jester of Memphis wrestling. [00:32:54] Speaker A: Yeah, he came in. [00:32:55] Speaker B: He was. [00:32:59] Speaker A: He was related to a duplicate boy. He could take his powers. [00:33:06] Speaker B: Well, we get to the next page, and we see the subs in action. [00:33:11] Speaker A: Yeah, this is a crazy page. [00:33:13] Speaker B: Yeah. So you've got. So subs in order. We've got. You may remember them from the substitute heroes special, though one of the subs wasn't really active in that one. We've got color kit up there apparently is confusing the axumite I don't know. We have night girl, if you remember, she has super strength, but only has it in the dark. We have polar boy whose powers hopefully are self explanatory. And we have fire lad who spits fire but is not having a good day because he gets hit in the head with a bolt. And he's like, remember, we're the substitute legion, not the suicide Legion. Clunk. So the good news is the gas girl in her gaseous form and Devm and duplicate boy come in. We've got chlorophyll kid down there using his chlorophyll kid powers to make a big tree to attack one of the Daxomites. But they note and we get a reference to a couple of other characters or, Orintho and celebrand and they are members of the Wanderers. And I don't remember if they get an editorial click, but just these couple panels where we're reintroduced to the wanderers. The wanderers are going to get their own Maxi series in 1988. Okay, so it's a bit in the future, but in the maxi series in. So we get this. We get a question here asked by one of the wonders. I agree, celebrand, but the can the entire United plans be evacuated? And the editor says, the unanswered question hangs in the air ice cold as hordes fly off towards other targets, leaving their shattered victims behind. When they reintroduce the wanderers, and they don't say it happens here, but they say somebody has murdered the wanderers and they've been cloned and brought back to. So I always, now they said it was some, and their story is to go find out who did it. I always thought it'd be cooler if they had just done these two panels, right? And they were like, well, yeah, I mean, they were murdered right here. [00:35:16] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. This is it. This was their big end. [00:35:19] Speaker B: I didn't, I, yeah, I didn't think they needed to go back and like, have anyway, I guess that would have ruined their mystery story. But the comic was pretty horrible anyway, so I don't know. [00:35:28] Speaker A: That's too bad. [00:35:29] Speaker B: It's, it's probably my least favorite legion. Anything. [00:35:33] Speaker A: You're like, it was okay. [00:35:35] Speaker B: It was like, I mean, well, anyway, okay, so, I mean, I don't know. Like, I mean, if you like bird sex, I mean, I like, I liked. You might like that series. I liked bird sex on lower decks, on Star Trek. Lower decks which you clearly haven't watched. Otherwise you'd know what I'm talking about. So I don't know why have you not watched it? It is the best Star Trek series ever made. [00:36:05] Speaker A: I don't know. I watched below decks. You know, that's a different show. [00:36:10] Speaker B: Yeah, that's boring and stupid. [00:36:11] Speaker A: It's hilarious and funny. [00:36:13] Speaker B: Lower Dex is me. No. [00:36:14] Speaker A: Oh, yes. Have you seen it? [00:36:16] Speaker B: I could watch the Star Trek version of that in cartoon form. Or I could watch a made up, fake reality show. [00:36:22] Speaker A: It's not made up. It's real. [00:36:24] Speaker B: Okay, well, anyway, we hear. Yes, we have here block and light last guarding the child, who looks much older now. [00:36:37] Speaker A: The child is not a child anymore. [00:36:39] Speaker B: And they're talking about how he doesn't react to anything unless you gave him ice cream and doesn't cry. [00:36:44] Speaker A: If you give him ice cream, he might. He might see joy. [00:36:47] Speaker B: Well, anyway, finally the ship goes out of control. [00:36:50] Speaker A: Yes. [00:36:51] Speaker B: And they're all freaking out about it. And one of the boom tubes comes in, even though they still don't know what it is. They don't know it's a boom tube. They just call it one of dark side space warps. Spacewarm. Here comes. Here comes one of the. The dark side's slaves. And he comes to get it, and sunboy, like, blasts him and makes him mad and he leaves and he's like, my master's hour. The dawn of great darkness that will cover the universe for eternity and only oblivion. You may escape him. So. Well, anyway, the next thing is. That's like the sunservant, right? Because he's riding that scare thing and a whole bunch of daxomites just destroy the ship. [00:37:36] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. [00:37:37] Speaker B: And he takes the child, and all the legionnaires are just floating them and the dachshunds there, and the dachshunds just go off and do other things. So we've got a bunch of legionnaires floating in Kirby crackle space. [00:37:47] Speaker A: Just. Yeah. [00:37:49] Speaker B: And now we're back on Tacron Galtos. [00:37:52] Speaker A: Tacron Galtos. [00:37:54] Speaker B: And it looks like a single doxamite kid has destroyed the entire prison planet shop. [00:38:00] Speaker A: This kid with his, like, crazy eyes. [00:38:05] Speaker B: But he doesn't know how to use his x ray vision, so he's, like, looking through. [00:38:09] Speaker A: Yeah, he's like, ugh, I'll find you. [00:38:12] Speaker B: Well, anyway, we've got chameleon boy is there with his bindings on, and he uses some judo that karate kid taught him. I love it. He throws the kid into validus is cell. Oh, no, it's validus. Member of the fatal five. Shoots lightning bolts from his brain. Yeah. Well, I mean, if you're gonna send him somewhere. And then chameleon boy passes out from a fever. [00:38:42] Speaker A: That's not good. [00:38:43] Speaker B: Well, we get to the next one. And good news, all the legionnaires are okay. Because. Because good news, I guess every day. [00:38:53] Speaker A: They have their vitamins. [00:38:54] Speaker B: White witch prevails her while she prepares her spell of survival. So I guess that's her good berries. [00:38:59] Speaker A: Good. [00:38:59] Speaker B: Good. She's. And she's saving everybody there right now and preserving the atmosphere. And she's like, my powers are so weak and soft. Weak. My will, soft. But I cannot let the legionnaires die, not when they fought so hard to save me back in on the sorcerer's world, if you remember. So, okay. She's like, there must be something within my power. So we flipped the page, and she wakes up, and she's like, hey, where is everybody? And they're like, they're all fine. We picked you up when we got your signal. And she's like, signal? No. Yeah. Oh, I must have tapped in some reserve power. Good for her. She. I thought she was a druid, but then she's using wild magic, so does that make her a sorcerer? Like what? [00:39:45] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't know. [00:39:47] Speaker B: Well, they ask her to prepare a spell so she gets to do some ritual casting, and she's. She's gonna prepare one of the warps. [00:39:55] Speaker A: Oh, she can do that? [00:39:57] Speaker B: She's gonna prepare a boom. She can make a boom tube, apparently. [00:40:00] Speaker A: Make a boom tube. [00:40:01] Speaker B: Well, she's like, I've never done anything like this before. And she's like, I won't fail. And kaboom. We finally get it. A boom tube. It's ready. We get a kaboom. If I had a drink, I'd be taking it. And it's a pretty cool. [00:40:16] Speaker A: Like, all the panels, the way they. [00:40:19] Speaker B: And you can clearly tell, it's wildfire complaining. [00:40:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:22] Speaker B: Even though you don't see him, which he. Do you think you could have come up with some. A smoother ride? Cause, you know, it sounds like something wildfire would whine about. So, anyway, now we get. Oh, my God. Okay, this. This dark side. Side view. [00:40:36] Speaker A: Yeah, it's wild. [00:40:39] Speaker B: I mean, if. If you ever want to get me a legion of superheroes page that has no legionnaires on it. [00:40:45] Speaker A: This one right here. [00:40:46] Speaker B: This one. [00:40:46] Speaker A: This is the one? [00:40:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:47] Speaker A: You want that? [00:40:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so. [00:40:50] Speaker A: This page right here? [00:40:51] Speaker B: Yeah. And Darkseid is like, attend to me, my son. Take your pick of the slaves and kill them. We'll do it. He's like, as you wish. It'll be done. And he says, of course it will be. There's no other possibility. So now we're back on earth, and it looks like Lydia Mallor's clone has woken up and colossal boy is fighting with her. [00:41:16] Speaker A: Yeah, he's just. [00:41:17] Speaker B: Again, was I wrong? Shrinking by Violet hadn't done this yet. I said she'd done this already. [00:41:23] Speaker A: Oh, you did? [00:41:24] Speaker B: Last. Last episode. Yeah, cuz remember she was complaining about how helpless she was, and I was like, oh, she's the only one that's defeated anyone. Well, she. She straight up murders the servant of darkness. [00:41:36] Speaker A: Yep. [00:41:37] Speaker B: By giving her a stroke. So she. [00:41:39] Speaker A: Ant Manson. Ant man, sir. [00:41:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:43] Speaker A: Shrinking violence stole the shrinking violet. [00:41:47] Speaker B: I think Ant man stole this. [00:41:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm reading this. [00:41:50] Speaker B: I'm sure this was done in Marvel comics before. [00:41:52] Speaker A: No, I want to put the time test to the test. Do the dates. I don't think they. Well, I don't think they did. [00:42:00] Speaker B: But anyway, we get. We get what looks like maybe some Darkseid's guard here. Looks like these are special suited daxomites fighting it out. [00:42:10] Speaker A: It's a cool page. [00:42:11] Speaker B: Yeah. And we're on Daxim. It is a cool page. Now, it's an interesting page because we have ultra boy, who theoretically could hit them, and hopefully he changes back to his invulnerable self very quickly. Now, you'll notice that ultra boy kept getting knocked out over and over again. Wouldn't you think he just stayed in vulnerable mode all the time as his natural state? [00:42:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:34] Speaker B: We've got Saturn girl, who should be relatively effective against them, right? Because she. And she even says they're confused because their will has been zapped. So she should be ultra powerful against them. Lightning laz zapping them with his yellow lightning bolts. Those should work, right? We got wildfire. Now. Here are the two that I'm not sure are going. Very effective. Bouncing boy is fighting them. I'm not really sure what bouncing boy is going to do against dachshund. [00:43:02] Speaker A: He's going to smash on him. He's bouncing boy. Smash. Bouncing boy back. He's gonna just sit there and he's gonna bounce around and like, you know, hit him like bowling ball style. [00:43:14] Speaker B: Well, I mean, there have in legion lore, the. The fans basically at this time were saying make. Maybe bouncing boy was, like, invulnerable or something and in the bouncing form, because that would make sense. He's bouncing around and their projector back there, like, just kind of looking at everything. [00:43:29] Speaker A: Cool. [00:43:30] Speaker B: I think this is a misuse of her right here. Too, I think. Because if their will is sapped at everything her illusions should actually be, they would work really useful in this fight. [00:43:43] Speaker A: The conclusion I would draw would be that her ability would be very strong because they would be weak willed in that sense, and they could be messed with. They would see things that were not there and scared. Then they would attack these things that she would create. [00:44:01] Speaker B: Well, but, hey. Yeah, well, we're. We're gonna get some attacking here. Daxomites, in a second. Oof. Yeah, and some questionable tactics here coming up. So anyway, they get the kid back. They go. Shadow lass and light lass are sent to go find the child. And he has knocked out all the guards around him, and it's just sitting there. And then above Daxum, white witch is tired, and somebody grabs her and starts talking to her. It's like I gave it to you, my child, as your teachers ask when they summon me to oppose the darkness with the light. And now I must give you strength again, even more than before. I'm sorry to use you this way, my child, but the pain shall be over quickly and your comrades shall have the chance they desire. [00:44:46] Speaker A: No. [00:44:47] Speaker B: And we hear Darkseid say no. [00:44:49] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [00:44:50] Speaker B: So apparently they found something powerful enough to potentially fight Darkseid. So here we go. Well, we get cosmic boy is squishing one of the daxomites with a bunch of stuff. And Starboy is complaining as usual. He's like, don't complain to me, cosmic boy. It was brainiac five who came up with this let's get mangled as you go party. Which I think, again. And, you know, it's sometimes, like. Sometimes I just think Paul Levitz doesn't know how to write Starboy. Right. Like, I. He should be again, he should also be very fairly effective against these guys, right? I would think, like, I mean, he controls gravity. [00:45:25] Speaker A: Yeah, just pick them all up and, you know, move them. [00:45:28] Speaker B: Yeah, but. And light lasts too, right? Like, she also controls. Well, anyway, now we get obscured element lad. And he says, they're right, brainy. We've attracted as much attention as we can without getting someone killed. It's time. Brainiac five says, agreed. And, well, he turned. He adds, lead to the atmosphere, and let's see what they say. So use your power to transform the atmosphere of Dachshund. Element lad. One part lead per thousand will activate their intense vulnerability. And since they lack the serum I created for Mon El, and he's like, it worked. Now, legionnaires don't kill. Did element lad just murder? I think he just every daxomite on the planet. [00:46:12] Speaker A: He just made them real sick, Dan. He just used enough. [00:46:15] Speaker B: As they're flying out of the sky. [00:46:18] Speaker A: He just put enough in there to make them sick and fall out of the sky from various heights to the ground and put them on the ground super gently. And some of them are sleeping now. Permanently asleep. [00:46:31] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:46:32] Speaker A: He didn't kill them. None of them are dead, Dan. They're not dead. [00:46:35] Speaker B: Okay, well, we get some hands down below that look like white witch hands and says. Suddenly stars above seem to wink out of existence. Space shutters torn from the spell, far too powerful for any mere mortal to wield. Hands that are the white witches, yet not hers. Seem to wax gigantic and enfold Daxum and apocalypse as well. And as reality warps between them, they undo dark sides transfer all. So they send the planets back where they belong. So Daxum is now back under the red sun, which is probably good. [00:47:11] Speaker A: That is probably good, yes. [00:47:13] Speaker B: Hopefully they all show element lad changing the atmosphere back to normal. [00:47:16] Speaker A: Hopefully. So the dexamites are not dead? Suffering from lead poisoning. Man, do they not use pencils? They just use pens. [00:47:26] Speaker B: Well, there's some questionable. I mean, how. [00:47:29] Speaker A: How can they do scans by test? [00:47:31] Speaker B: How are also like, maybe one of the holes in this, one of the holes in the story to me is how are they wandering around the whole rest of the universe? That clearly has lead all over. [00:47:38] Speaker A: Yeah, these are good questions, man. [00:47:40] Speaker B: Maybe that's why they're also always remaining in space too, and not going down onto planets. So you did notice, like, the Daxomites haven't really been attacking planets. They've been doing, like, things in space. [00:47:50] Speaker A: Yeah, they're just. They're just dealing with space people. Space folk. Hey, space wanderers. Let's get you. [00:47:56] Speaker B: Well, Darkseid's now getting pissed off. [00:47:58] Speaker A: Yeah, he's angry. [00:47:59] Speaker B: He's so angry now they're back. Yeah, and he says so. There is more to these mortals and superficial evidence admits very well, if they would undo the deeds of gods, then they must suffer, as do the damned. And he gives all the legionnaires that are there on the planet their biggest fear. Lightning lads is losing his arm again. Which. A long story. He shot lightning bolts. He hit the Moby dick of space with lightning bolts. [00:48:29] Speaker A: Not good. And then his arm fell off and. [00:48:32] Speaker B: It bounced back at him. Well, it bounced back at him and the hit his arm, so. Yeah. And then, well, wildfire goes kaboom. [00:48:41] Speaker A: Again. Wildfire, kaboom. [00:48:43] Speaker B: Duo Damsel has to watch her third body die over and over again. We mentioned that with the computer story. Remember, bouncy boy loses his powers and what he think makes him relevant. Dream girl is made ugly. [00:48:55] Speaker A: She's no longer dreamy. [00:48:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Miss Jamie. Joe Na is swallowed by a space whale. Joe na. See, Joe, that's ultra boy. His name is Joe Na. Did you know that? [00:49:09] Speaker A: That's funny. Is Pinocchio in there? [00:49:11] Speaker B: That's an old no, but it's an ultra energy beast. And anyway, that's how he got his powers. And Timberwolf was made to believe that he was a robot, was an Android. So it takes his humanity from him, makes him think that. And he makes Saturn girl see all the fears of everybody. [00:49:29] Speaker A: These are terrible. [00:49:30] Speaker B: And the sun servant says, they are defeated, master. And he says, of course. They always were. Now we shall correct our previous mistake by sun and destroy that damnable child. And the servant and Darkseid come through a boom tube, and immediately, light last gets hit by one of the beams. That's a cool page. Shadow lasts. Oh, yeah. You could also get me this double page. I would be fine with that. [00:49:55] Speaker A: That's pretty sweet. [00:49:56] Speaker B: I guess I'm backing off. You can get me all sorts of pain. Anyway, shadow lass is. Shadow lass is blocking the child with her shadow powers, using the darkness against Darkseid. And Darkseid is mad. He's like, give me the child, woman, and he may go free unharmed. And you're fellows as well. I have no interest in you, but I must have the child. You do not seriously expect to hide with me in darkness. And he sends the servant into the darkness, and we hear, tick, tick, tick, tick, and he says, not a damnable mother box. Not here, not now. So that is one interesting piece. Like, I I didn't know, like, what a mother box is because I hadn't read. I hadn't. Why I hadn't read. Right? So that's one where I do think they should have explained it. Maybe just given us a little, like, editorial note, like the. [00:50:48] Speaker A: Yeah, but anyway, just as important as the boom tubes. [00:50:53] Speaker B: Yeah, but we get. We get two characters that show up. And I had no idea who these people were at all because I hadn't read any of the new God stories. We did get an editor's note from Laurie Sutton. Anybody who doesn't know the story of the 20th century, war of the new gods against dark sides, apocalypse, trust us, it's too complicated to explain here. [00:51:13] Speaker A: She's not wrong. [00:51:14] Speaker B: I do think she should have referenced at least the new gods issues, but she didn't. But anyway, Darkseid is now facing. Looks like the high father, who is not named yet, right? Yeah, you face your doom, Darkseid, your eternal doom. And he's just like, no, it can't be. And then and again, not named yet. But we've got Orion, who always named at the bottom of the page, but Orion. So if you're not familiar with Orion and Mister miracle, right? Scott Free was. Scott Free. Mister miracle. Get it? He's an escape artist. Scott Free. [00:51:51] Speaker A: Scott Free. [00:51:52] Speaker B: Yeah. It took me years to realize what that was, I'm sad to admit. But Mister Miracle was the high father's son, and he was traded to Darkseid for Orion. So it was a peace treaty, and Orion was Darkseid's son. So Orion was sent to live with high father to see if they could. If it was, it was kind of a nature versus nurture sort of argument thing. And so Scott ends up going to granny goodness's orphanage and escapes with big Barda and becomes a good guy. And, of course, so nature, right? He's good. But also high father teaches Orion to hone in his impulses, and he eventually becomes, like, a Justice League member and all sorts of different things and different incarnations. But right now, he is a reincarnated clone, and he is attacking his dad, so. And all of a sudden, shadow last ends up at rescuing white witch. And we have a massive kirby crackle battle going on on the planet as Orion and Darkseid fight. Yeah, and it's a. It's a. They say it's. The next few moments will decide the struggle while the high father comes back and gives the lead, reinvigorates the legionnaires, puts them back together, gets them ready to go fight Darkseid. And he said, the rest of you, I heal with all that is left in me. And remember me, that you shall know when you face the darkness that the light shall never die. And then he goes away. So the spell is gone. The reincarnated high father is gone. Yeah. We get the battle here. Yeah. So now we're all the way to page 30 because we got page numbers, unlike. [00:53:39] Speaker A: Yeah, whatever. Kirby crackle everywhere. And all these words that are sounds, you'd be drunk as a skunk. [00:53:47] Speaker B: Well, I summarize this page. If you know any new God stuff, one of Orion's weaknesses is his overconfidence. Yeah. [00:53:54] Speaker A: Oh, for sure. [00:53:55] Speaker B: He's like, yeah, I did. I beat Darkseid. Ha, ha, look at that. And Darkseid's like, you are my creation, my construct, my creature, not my son. Perhaps the prophecy has already come true. And that is why I slept. I have forgotten so much. Perhaps it yet to be. But hear me, sun, none less than the true orion, greatest warrior of all the stars shall strike by the death blow, and you are merely dust. And he turns back into the planet, right? Like he just goes back to the planet, and Darkseid's like, so, Isaiah, in the end, you could not sustain yourself in this undreamed of time. Even the high father has limits, as, as have all save eye. Hahaha. And then, here we go. Super. It looks like Superman, but it's superboy and Supergirl taking, just pounding on Darkseid. [00:54:44] Speaker A: Just coming in and fumbling in that dude, just giving the old 1212. [00:54:49] Speaker B: And just like he does to Batman. And much, much later in comics, he hits the superboy with the omega beams and sends him back in time. This time, politely sends him back to his own time so he's not lost in time. Of course, this superboy can actually time travel, so he just has to wait for the omega beams to wear off. And he could have gone back wherever he wanted to anyway. And he says, and Darkseid gets the chauvinist. He is, of course, says, I need not even bother with the woman. Her own fear seems to make her vanish as quickly as my power would. And she's like, wrong. She comes up from the bottom, and Supergirl is just beating the crap and calling him a chauvinist, beating the hell out of Darkseid. But then he warps away, and she flies through the warp, and she's like, do your worst. And she's like, that ought to hold him. And then Darkseid grabs her head and starts squeezing it, and he says, this is pain. I have not done this with my hands in an attorney, child. You should be honored. How does Saad, who was his torture servant back in the 20th century, loved this? A shame he is no more. And all of a sudden, one of brainiac five shields comes around Supergirl, and Darkseid is hit with every power possible at the same time. And he creates a little shield around him. And taunstar. Taunstar is like, we've got you now. We have you now. And he's like, you have me. You astound me, children. Karate kid tries a super karate kick. It goes about as effectively as you would think. It's kind of like when a monk tries to hit a dragon. Yeah, it doesn't work, even with the ki power and all that. Well, anyway, he's got extra blows and nothing's happening anyway. Saturn girl speaks up and says, can't you feel at Darkseid? Can't you feel yourself losing all of your power, all your power, and you can't even defeat us. This is no longer the universe you knew, monster, and it is beyond your power and chills. He says, I sense. I sense the truth in your words, woman, not based on this poor fool's efforts. Referring to karate kid. Keith Giffen hates karate kid, I swear, like, he hates his guts. And he says, what is it that makes you believe? So I'll let my mind range free, and I shall sense what pitiful threat you author. And then we see. And I guess the wanderers didn't die because there's a couple of them. There's Orantho and a couple. But we see a combination of Devm, the heroes of lalor, the wanderers, and a whole bunch of daxomites that are very pissed off flying back after Darkseid. He's like, no. So my powers have waned over the millennium. While they focused on you, they proved insufficient for other needs, and my hold on the billions of daxmites has ended. I've created an army of billions of super beings, and your allies are leading them to me. [00:57:50] Speaker A: Yeah, no, he's screwed. [00:57:53] Speaker B: And then we get in block letters on the side with dark side at the bottom. Enough. All written out. I love when Keith Giffen does the words like this. [00:58:02] Speaker A: Yeah, it's pretty cool. [00:58:03] Speaker B: It's a very neat. [00:58:05] Speaker A: I don't know. As a kid, I'm not a good artist, but I would love to draw stuff like that because it just looks neat. [00:58:13] Speaker B: Well, we get the super cool version here. Darkseid is yelling at the legion. It seems there is more to you than I dreamed. Youths, you have done that which is beyond imagining. You've shattered the dream of a God. And with that, he says, their time will come. And he just disappears. Gone out, magician. The legionnaires all up. The legionnaires all end up in space again. And Dawnstar's like, but he vanished, and his world disappeared with him. And wildfire, because I'm sure he can't figure it out, says, don't try to figure it out. What counts is that he made him turn tail and run. Ha ha. And Darkseid's giant head appears and says, the wise man does not boast so swiftly, child, for though I'm gone, you shall not forget me. I leave you my curse, legionnaires, doer of Isaiah's work. The curse of darkness growing within you, destroying you from within. And that which is purest of you shall be the first to go. That's his curse. And then we get a ship flying off and we get the end, and then we get the next scene. Epilogue number one. Timberwolf somehow was put in charge of putting a new panel on the mission monitor board with the white witches symbol. And light last comes in, and she's like, I've been thinking, bryn. Thinking about what happened. She's going to manipulate him again about the legion. It wrecks lives, you know, it nearly destroyed my brother, wrecked his health, and it's ruining us. Maybe times were simpler when I joined the club. Or maybe I'm kidding myself. Memory like that sometimes. But I know it's not what I want to do with my life now. Especially not if we're going to have a life together. I'm quitting. You can come with me, Bryn. My flight leaves tomorrow. So the first is the purest we'll go. So we get. And it is interesting because we're going to get a lot of character development with this character later on in 84, 85, and then even later, she becomes the. Her and shrinking violet become the first openly homosexual couple in the 30th century. That shrinking violets character also goes through a lot. So obviously, you're like, how is. Wait. Shrinking Violet sleeping all over the place with colossal boy right now? How are you saying that that's going to happen? [01:00:27] Speaker A: It's changed, right? [01:00:29] Speaker B: Uh, well, since we're not gonna read anymore, this might not be shrinking violet. [01:00:33] Speaker A: Ah, okay. Interesting. [01:00:37] Speaker B: She may have been replaced by a Derland. [01:00:39] Speaker A: Oh, oh, oh, yes. [01:00:42] Speaker B: Which would also explain some of her lack of confidence in using her powers that have been expressed. And that plays out about a year from now. So. Yeah. And then, so we do get an epilogue, number two. And we get brainiac five and Kara, because I refuse to call her Cara. Kara, how did you read it as a kid? [01:01:05] Speaker A: Uh, probably Kara, because. [01:01:08] Speaker B: But on tv, they made a say Cara. [01:01:10] Speaker A: And then you're like, but that's not how I read it. Okay, yeah. [01:01:15] Speaker B: Well, anyway, yeah, she teases Brady, act five, and is like, I'll be back. And did she call me cute? [01:01:22] Speaker A: So Twitter painted. Oh, my. [01:01:26] Speaker B: Yeah. He's like, well, anyway, we get next issue at last. Travel back to the early days of Legion for an untold adventure that reveals why the Green Lanterns aren't around allowed on earth in the origin of the universe five. And what an interesting ending to a epic story where you didn't see any legionnaires die, but we definitely saw people die. [01:01:47] Speaker A: It was like, I honestly thought that people were going to. I thought legionnaires were going to. I thought there was going to be a lot. I mean, there was a lot of destruction, stuff like that. It was. It was pretty epic. It was a lot of stuff going on, for sure. [01:02:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:03] Speaker A: It was a heavy book. [01:02:04] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, it's. And dark side kids. Yeah. The arts. Pretty crazy. Amazing. [01:02:13] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like, the darlin threw a child into a. Into a room with a dude that shoots lasers out of his head. That's messed up. [01:02:23] Speaker B: It did happen. [01:02:24] Speaker A: There was some crazy stuff, Dan. [01:02:27] Speaker B: Well, eventually, some people are gonna die. [01:02:29] Speaker A: Think sprain the I five is cute. [01:02:32] Speaker B: Yeah, that is true. So, eventually. Eventually, people do end up dying from this curse thing. Not because of the curse, but the corruption and the legion gets a darker tone to it a little bit. It's still bright future y stuff. I'm not gonna say it just goes dark. It doesn't go to. It doesn't. It's not. It's not Batman dark knights or something. Right? Like, it's. But I will show you why Keith Giffen hated a certain character so much. Okay, I'm sharing screen with you now. Yeah. Yeah. They're back on Orando again, and it's not looking good for karate kid here. [01:03:07] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. [01:03:09] Speaker B: It's not looking good. There's a very. [01:03:12] Speaker A: That's a dead karate kid. [01:03:14] Speaker B: I probably read this issue, like, 500 times as a kid just because of them. [01:03:19] Speaker A: Death. [01:03:20] Speaker B: Well, there's five. It's a five issue arc to start the Baxter series, and they go back to or rando, and the legion of superhero super villains has taken over Orando, and they've got to solve that problem. So there's another. People don't talk about that story as much as they do this one. I may like it even better. Interesting. And then just. So just while I have this open, just to show you some more future things, remember how I told you light lass, originally, her powers were lightning? Well, here you go. [01:03:51] Speaker A: Oh, wow. That's cool. [01:03:54] Speaker B: Yeah. So I think that's where we get a big character change for her, too, and a personality change. So it's almost like her personality was changed when dream girl changed her powers. Right. And then. [01:04:07] Speaker A: Interesting. [01:04:08] Speaker B: And they even kind of. They even kind of COVID it here with this cool flashback art by Steve Laddell. So, anyway, just. I wanted to take you into a couple of the things like that were in the future. Right. That were referenced in the story and not. You know, this isn't. Not too far. Future right. So one of the things I wanted to show off to you was that all those subplots and things that were happening in the background in the world they're building, they don't just abandon it like they do come back to it quite often. And when Keith gets tired of drawing the book, they put Steve Lytle on the book. Who? Yeah, he was amazing. Steve also had the problem of not being able to draw fast enough, though, so he also couldn't get the issues out, which was unfortunate, because he was on for about a year. And then they go to Greg Leroux. So who's not as well known as. I like Greg's art. I think he's. I think people. I don't know, Legion fans don't like him. But I want to go back to this book because kind of that back. I think all the fan service in this book, right. It had to be there because remember, we kept reading those letter pages and they were like, oh, we hate this, we hate this, we hate this. And then they were coming around, oh, no, wait, we like this. [01:05:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:25] Speaker B: And. Yeah. And it comes back to it. And I think also it's interesting because you, as it goes through back and forth to dark future. Shiny feature. Dark feature, shiny feature. You go from the giffen art to the lytle art, and the lytle art is all, like, bright. Didn't he draw x factor? [01:05:43] Speaker A: Think so. I have to take a look. [01:05:45] Speaker B: He drew one of the x books before coming over, and there's just. It's just a very different art style. And then the last thing I'm going to show you is the last piece of fan service before we get out of here. And we've got to review this one someday now that you've done some legion. But this is Legion 300, and you can see the obviously different in the art because we got the. We got. We had a whole bunch of different artists draw each of the characters on here. Like, there's a Kurt swan ultra boy right here. And then in this story, it's fan service because they basically have, and I'll just flip through, they have all these different art teams from the past, including, like, a Kurt Schaffenberger Superboy. And they come back and they get Howard Bender to draw. Yeah, there's some Kurt swan in here, too. They get Dave cockrum to come back and draw his era. Is this not sick? And basically. Basically what this book is, is one of a character is seeing. He's dreaming all these different universes, and brainiac five has to figure out how to resolve that. And they also. This is the book. This is crisis on infinite earths for the legion, because this is how, this is how they explain. This is how they explain away different timelines that potentially were in the past. And it was a sweet way to do storytelling, but I wanted to bring it up to you because it was one more piece of fan service. Right. That they really engaged in. [01:07:11] Speaker A: That makes sense. [01:07:12] Speaker B: And I like the fact that. But it's fan service. But if you picked it up, and I picked it up without having any legion history, I must have read that book a thousand times, because also, I'm like, well, who? Why do they have these costumes? And what's this art, and why is this story happening? And it's an encapsulated story, but that was one of the other ones I was showing you is one of my favorites. So I need to quit talking about the legion, but, I mean, we're gonna be done with the Legion for a while, so, I mean, I might as well get to talk about it for a second. I want your thoughts. So what did you think about your journey into the Legion of superheroes? [01:07:48] Speaker A: I honestly thought it was really cool. I thought it was great to read something that you really enjoy, and I got a chance to get a better understanding of it. I liked how we got a sampling of different artists who made the book their own for a moment and brought different elements into it and got a little bit of this, a little bit of that, and then all of a sudden, you got to see it really ramp up and amp up to that future book and really move into that future feel. And it was really interesting to see when Giffen took over, and you're like, wow. The detail, the whole experience was a change. Not to throw any shade on any of the previous artwork that we'd seen, but it was just definitely a different book. [01:08:46] Speaker B: Yeah, well, and Bruce Patterson inks before were good, too. I thought the Patterson inks were fine. I think, you know, the Pat Broderick stuff was still good, but I think he was better on Firestorm, and I think they put them in hit. Put him in the right place, too, because those firestorm books were good, too. [01:09:01] Speaker A: And I. I definitely like the storytelling that was being. I like the way the storytelling was being brought along. I felt that it was a great pairing, storytelling and art. The way the team was put together, it was very well done. I feel, like I said, the pacing, the building of the story itself. Every time I read a book, I felt like, what's going to happen next. And I thoroughly enjoyed that aspect of it because it made me really want to read the next book. And that's the kind of, the kind of thing that brings people back to the, to the, I mean, to the newsstand, to the spinner rack, to the, to, to whatever it is. That's the, that's the thing that you want to, want to have in your, you know, the storyteller. You want to be telling the story. So it's just a good, it's a good storyteller, man. [01:10:01] Speaker B: Yeah, well, and I also pulled up the COVID of course, you've seen this on my phone. Yeah, this is the comic that got me into comics, so back into comics, I guess. I mean, I had some when I was a little kid, but this is what got me buying comics all the freaking time, reading this book over and over again. The other really interesting about this book, I was talking about the different artists. This was a flashback book, too. And you've got giffen art in here, but the flashback is Kurt Swan. So the first comic that got me back into comics was Giffen and Swan drawing different pages. [01:10:33] Speaker A: Oh, that's cool. [01:10:34] Speaker B: And. Yeah, isn't it? It's, it's so cool looking, too. Right? Like, I mean, and even the contrast right over here, we've got this page with page 19 has Giffen, and page 20 has SWAN. [01:10:45] Speaker A: I definitely, I love the, the way that they, they utilize different artists to tell different portions of the story, to give different feels and looks to the different portions of what was being done in the, in this, in this, this series, you know? [01:11:05] Speaker B: Yeah. And one, the flashback here, it makes it look like the Silver age. Right. You knoW, and then. Yeah. And see the very, now why I know so much about light lasses power change, because here's the flashback to dream girl. Yeah. So ANYWAY, it's all there. So if you're wondering why I love COmIcS, well, it may not have been a good issue for you, but legion of superheroes 306 got that on a camping trip to get me to shut up Reddit over and over and over and over and over and over agAin. And then as soon as I had enough money to go to 711 and put $0.75 down, well, I was buying those books every month, so, see, yeah, it was, uh, it took me a good, like, year to get, to start getting them to you. That was the SAD part. [01:11:48] Speaker A: Yeah, but that's what we did year. [01:11:50] Speaker B: And a half, so you tried. I mean, I think that's just the pure joy of comics and why we do this. And, you know, I know it's fun for, I know the listeners like it when I'm sad and miserable and the story's terrible, but, you know, there's some days when I just want to express my pure joy for the industry and the thing that we collect. And these were the books that got me into comics. And now I have way more comics than any person should have because of this. [01:12:18] Speaker A: True. Dude, you have a lot of comic books. [01:12:22] Speaker B: I just have a few. [01:12:23] Speaker A: Just a few? Just a few. [01:12:25] Speaker B: Well, maybe I'll offer some for sale someday, but I'm just letting people know that I will not be offering the Legion books for sale anytime soon. That will not be happening. [01:12:34] Speaker A: NSF, NFS. [01:12:36] Speaker B: I think that, I think the cool thing, though, or not cool thing because I think they're, they should be worth more than this. But I will say, like that 294 issue, you might not be able to get out of a dollar bin, but most of these issues you can go get out of a dollar. That's good that we are. [01:12:50] Speaker A: I mean, if that's what you're looking for and you want to have them in your collection, be able to flip through them, feel the paper, look at the ads. There are some books out there that I just, that's, it's just a joy to be able to do that. So go hunt them down. [01:13:05] Speaker B: One. I think that the coloring is different, too, right. The colors are more faded on the, the colors are more muted on the newsprint, but with the purples in the way they were. Right. I kind of like them on the newsprint more because it makes Darkseid look darker. Right. When you get the, when you get it reprinted, it looks so. [01:13:26] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just corrected. It's been updated or whatever. They, they can go in and change those tones and stuff. When you look at it on the, on the classic print that, the one that came out on the newsstand, it's definitely, it's. It's different in its age, too. [01:13:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:43] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's, that's different. Yeah. [01:13:46] Speaker B: It's massively, massively different. I'm showing Greg the legion of superheroes great darkness saga delus deluxe edition. There's a volume one and a volume two. [01:13:56] Speaker A: You should just take that and burn it. [01:13:58] Speaker B: I'm not going to burn it. It has too many good interviews and source material. But anyway, yeah, I mean, we probably should start wrapping this one up because I know we've been on here a long time. It's a long episode. Next week, we will. Wasn't I complaining earlier about those shows that have, like a 30 minutes episode and then an hour and a half long episode, and then here we go. Probably dropping like a know, hour and a half long episode on folks, but hopefully you enjoyed the content on this one. If you like our content, well, you can obviously listen. You follow us on Facebook and x Instagram, xtreme and Instagram and YouTube. You can also just get the feed. You can click to the individual episodes there. You can also just subscribe to our podcast feed, and you can look for us on any podcast player. You can look at us on podcast Attic, my favorite podcast, mine's player. But you can find us on Spotify, Apple podcasts, Google, wherever you want. Wherever you're looking for podcasts, look for funny book forensics, and you will find us. If you want more of this contact, go back and you can see just how much Greg and I love comics, even when we have to read something that is not so good. And of course, speaking of things that are not so good, we'll be reading starlight number six next week. [01:15:10] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. Dude. Wow. [01:15:13] Speaker B: Wow. [01:15:14] Speaker A: Oh, I can't believe you would say, speaking of things that are not so. [01:15:19] Speaker B: Good in starlight number five, they ripped my heart out. Shredded it. Spit it out. Broke it up. Crushed it. Step. Took my heart, put it on the ground. Stomped on it some more. Crushed it, crushed it some more, crush it again. Reinforced the crushing. [01:15:36] Speaker A: And then. [01:15:37] Speaker B: And so now we're on to issue six, which I don't know what. I don't know what happens next. So you know what? It may be a phenomenal book. Who knows? [01:15:45] Speaker A: Well, I got a gas can. [01:15:47] Speaker B: Well, we could prepare. So next week, you can. Well, good news. Next week you can join us as I explore. I'm sure Greg knows all about Starlight since he helped write the book, but you get to see it through my eyes as I read Starlight issue six for the first time. And I will be doing it in the next five days because, quite frankly, well, I don't have an advanced copy. So I'm gonna have to get that copy and hurry up and read it before we record again. Fantastic. [01:16:13] Speaker A: I can't wait. [01:16:15] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm ready. Well, no, all kidding aside, it's a fantastic book. We will re. Well, I don't know if it's a fantastic book. [01:16:24] Speaker A: I shouldn't lie. [01:16:25] Speaker B: The first five issues. The first five issues were fantastic. And if you're not getting it on Kickstarter, you're missing out. Good news. Very soon, they will have Kickstarter where you can buy all seven issues and catch up. And I highly recommend it. It's fantastic. I'm not just saying it because it's Greg. I mean, legitimately. I teared up in the last issue and left Travis, the co author, a nice little review. And we were at, when we were at Omaha last year, we were standing next to Brett, and I got to tell Brett how mad I was, what he drew because he led me on and made me sad. And so. [01:17:04] Speaker A: Oh my God, that was terrible. [01:17:06] Speaker B: But I think when art can move you in that way, it's a good story and I'm excited to get ahold of the next issue, genuinely. So we will review that and then I'm not sure what's next. [01:17:19] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll have to roll the dice and find out. There's a lot of different things we can read. And maybe you listener listeners, I'll even put an s on there. [01:17:30] Speaker B: You know what they're gonna say and you know what they're gonna say if you ask them. So you know what they're gonna say. [01:17:37] Speaker A: Absolutely. [01:17:38] Speaker B: So they're gonna want us to read now. They're gonna remember. They're going to remember and they're going to want us to read something. [01:17:45] Speaker A: If you're out there listening and you have a suggestion, put it in the. [01:17:50] Speaker B: I don't know if I'm ready for that yet. I just don't know. I don't know if I'm ready. Us one, that's fine. [01:17:55] Speaker A: Another episode, another issue of us, one more trafficking. [01:17:59] Speaker B: I'm definitely. I'm definitely not ready for whatever big birth of fanny fat butt or whatever the character's name was. [01:18:06] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. [01:18:09] Speaker B: No, I can't handle the stereotyping. No, I can't do. No, it's too much. I can't handle that right now. Okay, but you know what? We'll see. I'm sure there's a lot. I'm sure our listeners will guide us to something. If not, I've got plenty of long boxes to reach into and we can grab something out of those long boxes. So it's true. [01:18:28] Speaker A: There is. There's a lot of different things we can read. So we will have something on hand and we will. [01:18:34] Speaker B: Okay, well, do you. I guess we probably should plug the last two things. Of course, Greg, you can find at the retro Emporium on Meeker street in Kent, Washington, on many days except this day because I have him here podcasting with. And you can also, if you are in Tacoma and you want to learn a little bit about jiu jitsu or get some legal help. You can contact Paul Boudreau at certifiedjiu jitsu, and, well, you can learn jiu jitsu. I mean, I feel like that would be fun. [01:19:01] Speaker A: I mean, he's been trying to get me to. [01:19:04] Speaker B: Well, maybe, Greg, you should come down, try it out. [01:19:07] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. I gotta make sure. [01:19:09] Speaker B: When do you have time? You have time. Anytime you're willing to make it. All I have to do is reach out to Ann. I guess that's the shoot. [01:19:15] Speaker A: You know, someone told me once, if you want to do something that you want to do, you'll make the time to do it. Maybe I just don't want to. Maybe I just don't want to get my tukas handed to me by. By Paul Pedro. [01:19:28] Speaker B: Well, if you want to learn high level jiu jitsu, he's the guy to trade with in the area. [01:19:33] Speaker A: He's the guy. I've seen the videos, I've watched the award ceremonies. I've seen. I've seen. [01:19:37] Speaker B: He also does legal things. [01:19:39] Speaker A: He's my lawyer. [01:19:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, that's 27th in Jackson, right, in Tacoma. You can go visit certified martial arts and. Yeah, I think that's all the pluggables for now. Obviously, absolute Zero's camp watchpad is still out for sale, so you can still pick up one of those. [01:19:58] Speaker A: Lots of good. Lots of good reviews out there. Not by. Not a review by us, but lots of other good reviews out there. [01:20:05] Speaker B: So, yeah, we have not reviewed it. [01:20:08] Speaker A: But there's a lot of talk. [01:20:09] Speaker B: I just realized that talk out there. [01:20:10] Speaker A: So a lot of people like it. [01:20:11] Speaker B: Well, maybe we'll review it someday, too, but for now, Starlight's up next because. Yeah, that's what I'm reading next. [01:20:17] Speaker A: That's what Dan is reading next. Doesn't care. [01:20:20] Speaker B: That's what I'm reading next. So we're going to go to space? [01:20:22] Speaker A: If he wants to go to space. Wait, he doesn't want to go to space camp. He wants to go to space. Okay, got it. [01:20:27] Speaker B: Check on space spiders. Inner trans dimensional spider wizards. [01:20:32] Speaker A: Wizards. I mean, who doesn't like that? That's. [01:20:36] Speaker B: And the spiders of Mars. [01:20:37] Speaker A: Spiders of Mars. What? Tiny human. [01:20:40] Speaker B: It's a David Bowie reference. [01:20:42] Speaker A: I was listening to David Bowie today. Bowie? [01:20:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, you know, one of his most favorite albums ends with the album title and the Spiders from Mars. [01:20:52] Speaker A: David Bowie on cassette. [01:20:55] Speaker B: Oh, God. Yeah. Well, of course you were listening on cassette. [01:20:58] Speaker A: On cassette. [01:20:59] Speaker B: You really have to have a refined space oddity. [01:21:01] Speaker A: Maybe that's it. [01:21:02] Speaker B: Well, Space odyssey. Space Oddity is on that album. [01:21:05] Speaker A: Yes. And maybe Ziggy Stardust. [01:21:07] Speaker B: Yeah, Ziggy Stardust and the Spider Show. Mars. [01:21:10] Speaker A: What I was listening to today. Oh, boy. You referenced the thing I was listening. [01:21:14] Speaker B: To today, and you didn't know, and you didn't know the title. [01:21:17] Speaker A: I don't know, man. It's a long time ago. 05:00 happened way early this morning. [01:21:21] Speaker B: Ziggy plays guitar okay. [01:21:24] Speaker A: David Bowie. [01:21:25] Speaker B: I love David Bowie. Well, anyway. All right, that's it. We're not talking anymore. This. This episode must end. Join us next week for Starlight number six. And if you want to get a copy, you should be able to get one soon. And if I find the link for it, I will send it out this podcast. And if I don't, I'll send it out after the next podcast. So, uh, for Greg, this is Dan. And for Dan, I guess I'm talking for Greg. And this is another episode of Funny book Forensics, your favorite podcast on project dash, nerd.com. [01:21:59] Speaker A: Get it? [01:22:00] Speaker B: Bye bye. [01:22:02] Speaker A: There's a. Damn it. The button. Whenever I put the video up, I to watch, talk to you. Can't find the button.