Funny Book Forensics 347 Why Chameleon Boy Why

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Okay, got it. [00:00:01] Speaker B: You clicked after me. I heard you click after me because your clicking is so loud that you record your clicking. I'm sure that the listeners are tired of hearing us start the podcast. This way you realize any movement you make in that office is picked up. I'm sitting on your awesome microphone. [00:00:21] Speaker A: I'm sitting on a stool today, so you don't hear the squeaking of the chair. [00:00:25] Speaker B: Do you even see a chair behind rate? [00:00:27] Speaker A: No. [00:00:27] Speaker B: Well, you do see a chair. I only see, like, maybe a transformers jacket. [00:00:33] Speaker A: 20 hoodies. [00:00:34] Speaker B: Yeah. All of various states. Yeah. [00:00:37] Speaker A: I have to keep all the hoodies in the office because Anne wants me to donate them all. [00:00:44] Speaker B: Wait, so instead of getting rid of them, you're hoarding them in your office? [00:00:49] Speaker A: All 20 of them. Don't tell her. [00:00:52] Speaker B: How many hoodies do you need? 20 is the question. We're going to have an intervention. An intervention. And I'm not going to look at all the comic books next to me, and we're just going to forget about that. [00:01:05] Speaker A: We're not going to look at your comic books, and you're not going to look at my hoodies? [00:01:09] Speaker B: No, I can see your hoodies. Oh, wait, you can see. Never mind. The listeners cannot see any of these things because we are not recording video. Though we could. And you could see our incredibly beautiful offices. That's true. You could see your pop filter. That's not on your microphone. Which. [00:01:26] Speaker A: It's on the microphone. I'm talking this way. [00:01:28] Speaker B: You're just not talking into that microphone. [00:01:30] Speaker A: No, I'm talking to the microphone this way. The microphone is. We've got your plug in headphones. [00:01:37] Speaker B: Well, yeah, you're just establishing that you can do the podcast on low monetary things. Because I've got my fancy noise canceling headphones on, and I got Bluetooth connected. And you're in. [00:01:50] Speaker A: I got the ones that you get free with your phone. [00:01:56] Speaker B: Yeah, of course you do. I figured you got them on a flight or something and you just kept them. [00:02:01] Speaker A: Well, that's thievery. [00:02:04] Speaker B: It's not thievery. They give them away to you now they can't reuse them anymore because they go into your ears. Covid happened. Stuff like that. It's no good. Well, we're here. And speaking of COVID speaking of flights, we left last issue, and Dr. Regulus was taken out by the team. [00:02:28] Speaker A: Dr. Regulus. [00:02:28] Speaker B: But as you'll recall, last issue in Legion of superheroes, number 286, Chameleon boy came and grabbed shrinking violet and the ever subtle Timberwolf for the espionage squad. [00:02:41] Speaker A: Because that's who you want. [00:02:44] Speaker B: When I think espionage, I think Timberwolf. Very quiet, very intelligent. [00:02:49] Speaker A: He's a sneaky dude. [00:02:50] Speaker B: Always sneaky. Just never is going to leave a trail behind him. [00:02:56] Speaker A: He's like the fantastic Mr. Fox. [00:02:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Also, as you recall, I love, like, they just had this whole story where he, lightlass has him get his features dialed back, and then they immediately have Keith Giffin start drawing him. And the wolf features are already starting to come back a little. [00:03:14] Speaker A: Almost like that whole entire surgery just didn't work out. It's like when people get fillers and stuff like that, or Botox, and it only lasts for a short amount of time. I remember there was this lady that I used to work with, and she would get all sorts of things, injections and other stuff like that. She had put some, I don't know, horse fat in her forehead, and it ended up melting, and then she had a big divot. And what I'm trying to say is sometimes things just don't last. Maybe it wasn't horse, I don't know. [00:03:47] Speaker B: But what isn't going to last is this artistic pairing for the COVID of Keith Giffin and Raphael Tangal, which is going to be Keith Giffin and Larry Maldstead, which was the backup story we saw before pretty soon as the artist duo. But interestingly, we get giffen and Tangal in the COVID and it doesn't look like it's going well for the Legion. On this cover, at least, the espionage squad, it says the Legion of superheroes, and I love. So we're going to see a few out, but Giffen gets really cool with the covers and how he draws things to interact with the logo, or when the logo just becomes the entire cover in a few issues, which I've read that that may be one of the first times that ever happened in comics where he just makes the logo, the COVID and it's awesome. But have the poster right over here. In fact, nobody else can see it, but you can see I've got it right there. Okay. [00:04:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:52] Speaker B: So I grabbed a promo poster that they sold. It was cool, and it was in good shape, so I was excited. Anyway, it's Legion of superheroes number 287. Legion of superheroes versus Carlak ods against survival, 17 to one. [00:05:09] Speaker A: Bad news. [00:05:14] Speaker B: Now, I don't know if they said this last issue, but it looks like we've got the cuns back. [00:05:20] Speaker A: Oh, man, the cuns. [00:05:21] Speaker B: So that just means you have to be very careful the entire episode about how you say certain words that's right. Cuns just don't refer to one. Yeah, it's cunned. I did it. They're looking kind of klingonish. [00:05:44] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:05:44] Speaker B: But that's okay. The cuns have been around for a long time, though, so I think there's some Star Trek influence there, like, on some of the ship designs, too, which we see, but I'm okay with this. Star Trek later steals from the legion, too, so it's okay. Yeah, they all steal from each other. [00:06:02] Speaker A: I like that. I like that. [00:06:05] Speaker B: Well, we have on the first page, and, yeah, we have a very angry lightning lap. [00:06:19] Speaker A: Very angry. He's like. [00:06:23] Speaker B: He was mad. That chameleon boy left the asteroid last issue back when they were on. I'm not going to say it again. [00:06:30] Speaker A: Back when they were on Chameleon boys, RJ brand's little asteroid. [00:06:37] Speaker B: Yeah, we're not going to do anything. [00:06:40] Speaker A: Brand land. [00:06:41] Speaker B: Greg has banned me from attempting to do any comedy in this episode. We're going to leave all the comedy to Greg after last. [00:06:49] Speaker A: You know, sometimes people have their strengths, and Dan's strength is being a comic book historian. [00:06:56] Speaker B: I wasn't even really trying to do comedy. I just thought it was know. [00:07:00] Speaker A: Sometimes you just do. [00:07:02] Speaker B: Yeah, well, anyway, and Starboy is, like, peeking up from whatever he's working on there with Block. Block's trying to hold something up. I never realized Starboy was such the expert of fixing things, but I guess it sort of makes sense. I mean, he did grow up on, like, an asteroid or not an asteroid on a satellite. [00:07:27] Speaker A: He knows things. He's seen a thing or two about a thing or two. [00:07:32] Speaker B: But lightning lad is very angry. [00:07:34] Speaker A: So mad. He's all charged up, man. [00:07:37] Speaker B: And we've got lightning lad light last, I think, element lads hanging back there in the background. Looks like it got some block again. It seems like they're really trying to use block a lot in these. [00:07:51] Speaker A: You got to put them in a place, I guess. [00:07:52] Speaker B: New character. [00:07:53] Speaker A: Yeah. Give him something to do. [00:07:55] Speaker B: New ground. And Giffen's still trying to figure. Well, Giffin and Broderick are still trying to figure out how to draw him this time. This time, they made his pants just. [00:08:04] Speaker A: Look like him, like kind of like a loincloth or like a pant, like a. [00:08:12] Speaker B: It's interesting. Well, and then here comes Sunboy and Saturn girl. And Saturn girl is pissed off. She's like, what are you doing? Why is my husband running out screaming at people? And anyway, basically, lightning lad has just lost it. He's angry, man, out of. [00:08:42] Speaker A: His. [00:08:45] Speaker B: Like, and somebody better tell me where Chameleon boy went. So we're setting up the story. And by the way, we've got Paul Levitt's writing, keith given, and Bruce Patterson. Patterson's on inks in the book, which is artist, which is still interesting. So it was Broderick and Patterson right before, and it was always in Giffin and Maldstadt in the backup stories. Now we've got Gifford. I wonder, why would they do that? Is it just a timing thing usually, or do you think they were just trying out pairings? [00:09:17] Speaker A: I think they might have been trying out pairings. It could have also been timing. Like, they had different projects that were going, and they might have just been moving through different projects, and it might have been a matter of, oh, well, we have this project, and we think you're better suited for this or you're tagged for this, so why don't you just go do this, and we'll just move you around? I think sometimes it's luck of the draw, too, so it just depends on. [00:09:41] Speaker B: Who'S running the bullpen, because Maldstead really makes giffins. A lot of his hatching and his fine line work look really neat. And Patterson is really heavy on this. Like, he's so heavy. Like, the faces almost have no. [00:10:06] Speaker A: It'S. [00:10:06] Speaker B: Like he's trying to draw every line, ink every line, which if you try to ink every line in Giffen, that's a lot of lines. [00:10:14] Speaker A: I've listened to a couple of different interviews with different editorial staff, staff members from this era, and it is interesting because sometimes it was just a matter of who was in the room at the time when they were passing out assignments. And some of the pairings for different books just happened that way. That's why it seems like such an OD mashup of creators working together in this time frame, because it was like, oh, well, it wasn't always consistent because it was like, oh, you're here today, and we need this being worked on. Now. [00:10:56] Speaker B: What's interesting, too, Giffen, before he passed on his podcast that was called I'm not Dead yet, which was, uh, and not so humorous later. But it's his sense of, I mean, this. He really said this was his second chance in the industry to come back. And so I think that may be part of it, too. They gave him a couple of backups just to make sure he could make deadlines, because you see, just on that first page, the amount of work he spends on backgrounds is insane. Look at all the lines just on the wall. And it really gives, again, it gives the legion that futuristic look you'd expect. I mean, even some of the cheesy stuff that almost could be, like, silver agey, like, dials and buttons, they just look cool. [00:11:46] Speaker A: It is a different look than the first two books that we get out of this run. [00:11:53] Speaker B: And do you know what else Giffen got at this time around? The same. [00:11:58] Speaker A: No. What was that? [00:11:59] Speaker B: Omega man. [00:12:00] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [00:12:01] Speaker B: So, yeah, he was drawing two really intense outer space books because. Did you forget that Keith Giffin co created Lobo? [00:12:11] Speaker A: No. I want so much lobo. [00:12:19] Speaker B: Yeah. So there's going to be no Lobo here. Lobo will not appear in a legion of superheroes comic until, I believe, 1990. [00:12:27] Speaker A: So far away. [00:12:28] Speaker B: Or 91. Yeah, we're not going to get there. But Giffen does actually, Al Gordon actually wrote the story. [00:12:36] Speaker A: Really? [00:12:37] Speaker B: Yeah. It was actually follow up to the great darkness, which we're getting into now called the quiet darkness, which the quiet darkness was not the story. The great darkness was, I'll fully admit, but not to spoil who's going to appear later, but I'll just say it was the second time that character appeared in a major storyline. So that character, the big baddie, we're going to find out about here soon. Not Lobo showed up a couple times, right? Not Lobo. Lobo's not a big baddie. He's an antihero. [00:13:09] Speaker A: He's not Timberwolf. [00:13:11] Speaker B: Just don't kill his fish. [00:13:13] Speaker A: Yeah, don't kill his fish. [00:13:14] Speaker B: Interesting that he was drawing Lobo and Timberwolf at the same time, though. Off and on. [00:13:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:21] Speaker B: Anyways, they kind of are similar, but different. Timberwolf. Sort of like the. Well, no, Lobo's pretty dumb, too. I don't know. [00:13:28] Speaker A: Timberwolves is Lobo light? [00:13:30] Speaker B: Yeah. That's mean. He doesn't have don't hurt his, like, well, or don't hurt his fish. I guess they just look like dolphins, but. Yeah. Well, anyway, we've spent a lot of time in these first two pages. I probably should bounce to the next page here, and we'll get into it. And then we see Chameleon boy and Timberwolf. Lobo, Timberwolf yelling at each other. [00:13:53] Speaker A: Timbo. [00:13:54] Speaker B: And it looks like they've landed their cruiser. No, never. That's more offensive than anything I said on the last episode. [00:14:11] Speaker A: Okay, fair enough. [00:14:14] Speaker B: I take it back. [00:14:15] Speaker A: I want it. [00:14:18] Speaker B: Also, before I get into this, I forgot to address this and stop as we get into this fight between two characters, I learned something this week from Travis, your co author. Because I don't read reviews of anything. Right. Because I want to watch it. Right. So X Men 97 is out, and apparently people think it's woke. They do understand the X Men. [00:14:43] Speaker A: They don't understand the X Men. They don't understand that from the very woke since 1963. They don't understand issue one. [00:14:55] Speaker B: They've forgotten. Okay. [00:14:56] Speaker A: Well, anyway, so then X Men is broke because they woke way then. Oh, dang. [00:15:04] Speaker B: Well, legion of superheroes not so woke as we get into this discussion here. [00:15:10] Speaker A: They're so unwoke. [00:15:11] Speaker B: They're very unwoke. They fight a lot. [00:15:14] Speaker A: Infighting. So terrible. [00:15:17] Speaker B: There is a lot of infighting in the legion, but there wasn't the X Men. That's true. Let's see. I think the fun. Well, I don't say. Let me get back to the story for a second. [00:15:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:29] Speaker B: So they wreck their cruiser trying to get close to cunned space, and it's kind of cool. Like they make a ship out of chameleon boy. [00:15:42] Speaker A: Sort of. [00:15:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:42] Speaker A: Well, he takes an asteroid and he wraps himself around it. He's very smart. Very smart. [00:15:50] Speaker B: Well, later on in, was it 88 or 86, the invasion series? I think it was 88. That giffin also plotted. I don't know if he drew them. I think. Didn't Todd McFarland draw one of those issues? [00:16:03] Speaker A: We'll have to take a look and find out. Take those notes. [00:16:06] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm pretty sure. But anyway, later on, when the Durlins are big baddies in that storyline, the Durlins actually can form together and make themselves into a spaceship. [00:16:18] Speaker A: Wow, that's kind of cool. [00:16:19] Speaker B: Yeah, it's pretty cool. This is a concept that sticks around. The Durlins made baddie appearances on Supergirl as well on the tv show and, yeah, the Durlins actually. I mean, they're an easy race to sort of spread around because they have shape changing powers. Right. So, honestly, anyone could be anything. Which makes the other storyline with brand and Chameleon boy even more absurd. Right. Because what's the likelihood you're going to find your son? Right. [00:16:53] Speaker A: Well, I mean, maybe they give off a pheromone. [00:16:56] Speaker B: Maybe. I don't know. Well, we get kundia. Unfortunately, it does not say Encyclopedia Galactica, which does pick up later, but they basically do the same thing. A dark and dismal world perpetually eclipsed from its sun by its own moon. The native race is humanoid to seven decimal places of classification, but close contact is not recommended. Oh, it does say encyclopedia Galactica. Beautiful it down at the bottom all right. Ever since the discovery of the Kuns some years ago, they have spent all of their energy and effort to invade Earth and conquer the united planets. Up forces have declined to retaliate in order to avoid total war. Military history of the United planets. I love these so much when he's just dropping reference books in here into the writing. [00:17:45] Speaker A: It's fun. [00:17:46] Speaker B: It also sets it up so you don't have to go back and read 40 issues ago when the cuns invaded. [00:17:52] Speaker A: Earth, you're just like, oh, it's already there. [00:17:55] Speaker B: And you could even go back to Jim Shooter's original run in adventure comics. When the cuns partnered with nemesis kid, that guy tried to infiltrate the legion. That guy was a bad dude. [00:18:04] Speaker A: Bad dude. [00:18:04] Speaker B: Or was that the dark circle? I may be messing things up, but the dark circle and the cuns were both in, so, you know, it's funny too. Last time Levittz wrote the book, his big epic saga, there was like, it was three. It was Mordru the Merciless. Remember Mordrew the. The wizard? Oh, we haven't seen him. [00:18:22] Speaker A: Have we talked about him? [00:18:23] Speaker B: We just know he's buried somewhere. And the cuns and the dark circle, they were all, like, trying to take over the earth. [00:18:29] Speaker A: Dark circle sounds. [00:18:30] Speaker B: Earth band. It does sound like a band. It sounds like an early 2000s band. [00:18:36] Speaker A: The cuns sounds like a metal band too. [00:18:40] Speaker B: Well, it sounds like something. [00:18:41] Speaker A: It sounds like something like a norwegian metal band or something like that. Or finnish metal. [00:18:46] Speaker B: Yeah, or a Jim Jeffries. [00:18:48] Speaker A: Oh, wait, Jim Jeffries act. Yeah, Jim Jeffrey. [00:18:52] Speaker B: He says a naughty word. A. Oh, that kind of sounds like yes. [00:18:57] Speaker A: Yes. [00:18:59] Speaker B: Because apparently in Australia, that word's okay. [00:19:02] Speaker A: But here it's not okay. [00:19:03] Speaker B: Yeah, it bugs me. I can't watch this comedy because, like, I hate when you say that all the. Well, back on Earth. Meanwhile, back at legion headquarters, Lightning Lad is now finding out where he went. He's like, if that idiot thinks I'm going to let him commit suicide on the cunned world and take two other legionnaires with him, he's got to be nuts. [00:19:29] Speaker A: Well, he is. [00:19:31] Speaker B: Yeah. And then Lightning lad electrocutes himself and he quits. Everybody's like, what? Yeah. Lightning Lad is no longer the leader, and now it's left to deputy leader element lad, who is also like, what? And element lad after being deputy leader a couple of times, because I told you about the voting, right? And people like the idea of the character, so the fans kept trying to vote him in his legion leader, but in the popularity contest, he would keep just barely losing. And so this was their way of. [00:20:07] Speaker A: Getting him the leader. [00:20:08] Speaker B: He gets to be the leader for now in the annual, which we'll read soon. Yeah, I can't wait for you to read the annual, by the way. I wish you'd read ahead. I've already read. Not only have I read all of. [00:20:18] Speaker A: These already, I'll read some more tomorrow. [00:20:20] Speaker B: But I read two issues after. [00:20:22] Speaker A: Well, maybe I will read some more if I get some time. [00:20:25] Speaker B: But anyway. [00:20:26] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. So he's the leader now. [00:20:29] Speaker B: Light last pulls Saturn girl aside. [00:20:32] Speaker A: Where'd you get those? Where'd you get those nice arm things at? Those arm socks. [00:20:37] Speaker B: Yeah, like her big gloves. Well, she's got to cover something. I mean, she's not covering much. And speaking of not covering, we've got cosmic boy in the background who's not covering much, and then we've got. [00:20:49] Speaker A: I know he's very. [00:20:52] Speaker B: And block, who doesn't cover very much either. He's like a rock. [00:20:58] Speaker A: He's block hard. [00:20:59] Speaker B: So anyway, we get this conversation between. We get the start of a conversation between lightlass and girl. Yeah, and lightlass, who's got. You've got to go try. You got to go get him timberwolves with them. And she's all desperate and, oh, okay, we flip. Now we're back on the Cunder world, which even Bruce Patterson's inks can't mess up because it looks so cool. [00:21:24] Speaker A: It looks like a heavy metal magazine from this point. Like, I. When I flipped the page and got to this page and everything else after, this page literally looks like a heavy metal magazine. I am not pulling anybody's leg on the podcast. I have a bunch of other expert words. [00:21:43] Speaker B: Well, personally, too, I think he gets a lot of influence, no pun intended, but literally from, like, 2080 and the british magazines, too, because it has that look. So I know you're saying, like, a heavy metal magazine, but when you say that, I think of heavy metal, like the cartoon. Okay, I thought you were saying, like, yeah, these are awesome. You meant heavy metal, the british magazine. Yes, and I went to 2000 and ad, but same era, same idea, same things. [00:22:15] Speaker A: We're talking the same language, man. [00:22:19] Speaker B: And they get down to the planet. And since Chameleon boy has exhibited zero plans so far, shrieky Violet's like, what now? And they all use these. He transforms into a cunt of some sort with armor and stuff. And then Chameleon boy does. And then the other two get these things called distorters, which I don't know if this is the distorters first appearance, but it's one of the earlier ones, which basically allows them to do the same thing chameleon boy just did. [00:22:56] Speaker A: Wait, they become chameleon boys? [00:22:58] Speaker B: No, the distorter creates a distortion field around them, projects an illusion, and they even address it here. So they sort of address the absurdity of using the distorter because not chameleon boy. Timberwolf even says, this has got to be one of brainiac five's top ten gizmos, pre programmed the circuits, and presto, instant cun disguise. And as good as one of Projectra's illusions. And you remember princess, I mean, queen projector. Queen projector, right. They were in some serious trouble last time we saw them. [00:23:34] Speaker A: I'm really hoping we get to find out what happened next. [00:23:37] Speaker B: Well, we will. [00:23:38] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. It'll can't leave them hanging. [00:23:40] Speaker B: We got a couple of plots going on. It's okay. [00:23:42] Speaker A: I know it's deep. [00:23:44] Speaker B: I mean, you wouldn't want to rescue them. Well, anyway, I like how they start introducing things, right? They very quickly get the space helmets off their head, right. And they get the transparent spacesuits, right? And that they later explain, like about a year later, there's just a comment in there. A transparent spacesuit is like a one molecule polymer plastic, right. That expands instantly when they go, well, I would expect something like that to be invented 1000 years in the future, right? I would expect there probably could be something that could create a distortion field to make somebody look different. I do like how they start to introduce these things that should be probably used in the future. Right. I think the problem with it is if you go too far with it, then, well, the powers that people have are kind of dumb. It's like, what's the point of Chameleon boy's power if you can just put this disc on yourself and transform and look like something? [00:24:40] Speaker A: Well, I think his power or projector's power, well, I think theirs is temporary. It only works for a short amount of time. [00:24:47] Speaker B: Probably. [00:24:48] Speaker A: Maybe it's like a boost, but with Chameleon Boyer projector, they can continually do it over and over and over again. [00:25:02] Speaker B: Yeah, actually. Thank you. College humor, by the way, have you seen that game show yet? No, it's on dropout.com. Paul, the jujitsu lawyer, has a subscription, and they have a whole game show on college humor. Now, that's like, it's actually. And basically they'll give you something from pop culture and there's something wrong with it. And then you have to buzz in and say, I'm actually. So it's just a big nerd game show. Kind of like our podcast. Yeah. So I was about to say I'm actually. And now I forgot what I was going to. [00:25:37] Speaker A: Okay. [00:25:37] Speaker B: Because I got distracted by talking about the game show. Yeah, they're cool things. And then we turn the page, we get another heavy metal page. You know what these pages also look like with the coloring, too? They look like the le G-I-O-N issue. [00:25:53] Speaker A: Yeah, they do say this ship that they have looks like the watchman. [00:26:02] Speaker B: Yeah, kind of. It kind of does. Actually. That wasn't invented well, because it looks like the beetle bug, which was invented by this. It hadn't been introduced to DC at this point, but had certainly been invented in. It all goes back to Steve Ditko. Right? Steve Ditko did the blue Beetle issues for Charlton. Steve Ditko did some terrible legion issues, which got us this new mean. It all goes back to Steve Ditko. [00:26:42] Speaker A: Right. If it wasn't for him, we wouldn't have this very good. [00:26:47] Speaker B: If it wasn't for him, we wouldn't have a lot of things, actually. Well, anyway, the three are walking through the neighborhood. That affair, the. The cunned neighborhood. And the subtle Timberwolf bumps into one of the cuns, who looks like he's wearing some cybernetic implants, and he gets pretty pissed off. Why, you spineless. You dare touch me? And this is exactly the language I would think they would use too. Like, use spineless one. [00:27:23] Speaker A: Spineless one. [00:27:25] Speaker B: It's attack language. [00:27:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:27] Speaker B: And then we get no cunt worth the blood. Worth his blood would wear a coward's armor. And they're like, uhoh. Oh, wait. Remember when the guys in the ship didn't, they weren't able to take out the asteroid? The ship, asteroid. They were all wearing this armor. That was the Legion intelligence on this armor. Apparently, on the homeworld, they weren't too happy with the people that failed, so they don't want people to wear that armor. You do remember that from a couple of episodes ago, right? Yeah. Well, now we're going to the challenge courts. Oh, no. And they all have to fight this guy. This is bad news. Well, now we get a touching scene between sister in laws. I hate this scene so much. I know. They're trying to make you feel this, and they're trying to drive it home. Saturn girl was known by a couple of names, like Iron Butt. Imra was one, I heard. Yeah, the ice queen. She was always treated like because she was the first leader of the Legion, she was always treated as, like she wasn't very emotional, probably because of her telepathy. And here they're trying to give her some emotional bent. But especially what I know it's not fair because I know what they do with Lightlass's character later, but she's sensing in her soul how much she loves him. And it's just really interesting because it's almost like I feel like her powers are out of whack because of her. Well, I don't know that they ever quite explain this, right? But obviously, she's upset about lightning lad right now. And I feel like she hurts lepids out of lack. Like it's not connecting. Yeah. It's like she understands that lightlass must care for Timberwolf, but at the same time, she's mixing her feelings and frustrations with that. It feels that way. I don't know if they don't say it, but it's implied, I think. Well, it says she measured the depths of another woman's love in an instant, and it's greater than her own. Right? So it is illustrating her frustration with her marriage. Yeah. But the other thing, though, lightlass's love for Timberwolf in the last couple issues have been very superficial. It's like, go to this asteroid and change your entire appearance for me. [00:30:02] Speaker A: Fix yourself. [00:30:06] Speaker B: I had to talk to you into looking more like a man. I don't know. Anyway, all right, so now we're back to Cundia. We're flipping back, rocking. [00:30:19] Speaker A: Like, that bottom panel is so freaking hard. [00:30:23] Speaker B: Yeah, well, we see a bunch of domes where people are fighting battle domes, and these guys jump into a dome and, I mean, what would happen? Like, how would you feel if you just bumped into somebody on the street? Let's say we were at a con, and we just bumped. Let's say we were at summer con. [00:30:39] Speaker A: And they're like, hey, we need a battle now. But it's, like, wet. Like, fight. [00:30:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Let's say we would just happen to be at summer Con on Saturday, June 22, 2024, hypothetically walking around, handing stickers to anybody that wants them, because, of course, we're not going to table there because it's summer con, and that's way too cool for us. Like, we're table there. But we have booked this in our schedule, and we thought we were going to go on Friday the 21st, but I already had a trip planned to Disneyland. [00:31:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:12] Speaker B: Okay, I'm going to land at, like, midnight, and then we're going to summercon the next day. I'm going to be in a great mood. So we can go find the original inventor of the cuns, Jim Shooter. And we are going to find shooter. So you know what's going to be really cool, by the way. So I already have an issue of adventure comics where Neil Adams, Kurt Swan did the interiors, but Neil Adams did the COVID And I have Neil Adams autograph on that issue and I'm going to go get Jim Shooter's autograph on. [00:31:47] Speaker A: The same and bring the value down. [00:31:52] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. That is not the response I expected at all. You're probably right. [00:32:02] Speaker A: I wouldn't let that man touch that comic. [00:32:09] Speaker B: Buy a different one. I thought this was going to be cool. And you're like, yeah, just joking. Well, I mean, you're making good arguments here. [00:32:27] Speaker A: Jenking with you, dude. [00:32:32] Speaker B: We flipped the page. [00:32:33] Speaker A: Oh, my God. You stopped the whole thing. You're like, that's it. I'm done now. [00:32:38] Speaker B: We flipped the page. Well, come find us at summer Con in June. But was that a belch thing? What the fuck was that? [00:32:48] Speaker A: It was the wrong button. But that's okay. It was still good. [00:32:53] Speaker B: Are you okay on the other side? Well, you got me to cuss for the first time this episode. I'd been so good. [00:33:02] Speaker A: See? [00:33:02] Speaker B: Stupid noise. [00:33:03] Speaker A: I know. [00:33:04] Speaker B: Well, we definitely get this. Dude is pissed. [00:33:11] Speaker A: Yeah, well, he's angry. He's so mad because he got bumped. [00:33:14] Speaker B: By these guys in this arm. [00:33:16] Speaker A: He's going to fight with these guys because they messed up his whole day. He's like got his battle diaper on. [00:33:25] Speaker B: I don't know about this uniform. Yeah, well, it's his cybernetics. Right. Well, maybe it has to extend down that far because. Yeah, that's why he's favored 17 to 117 to one. [00:33:41] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. It's like you can't anyway chimber wolf because he's got the gimp mask on. I'm going to get in trouble for that. That's true, people, come on. I'm referencing pulp fiction. [00:33:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Wow. You're going to get in trouble for that. Watch out. You used humor. That's illegal to use humor these days, so don't. [00:34:07] Speaker A: He does look like he's in some leather gear. [00:34:12] Speaker B: Yeah, metal. It's metal. [00:34:14] Speaker A: It's metal. Yeah, it's so metal. [00:34:15] Speaker B: It's full metal gear. [00:34:16] Speaker A: He looks like he's in the iron maiden. [00:34:20] Speaker B: Anyway, Carlak starts the fight, we find out. [00:34:26] Speaker A: Oh, no. [00:34:27] Speaker B: And he aims something at. He aims like a grappling hook at shrieking Violet and she shrinks down and starts fighting him. And then, well, I guess they think it's done now, because. Okay, now Timberwolf. And they didn't even try to stay over. [00:34:49] Speaker A: Done. [00:34:50] Speaker B: We're out of it, and we're going to get a nice battle between Timberwolf and Carlack. And the ods start to change amazingly. It's like the amazing outworlders have defeated Carlack, and somebody won their 17 to one. They bet on the off world ers. [00:35:13] Speaker A: Oh, no. Well, I mean, like, man, Timberwolf took the gloves off, literally. [00:35:21] Speaker B: Yeah, he did, like, a flip and another flip and kicked him in the face. [00:35:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:27] Speaker B: So we got a flip and a flip and a face kick. Yeah. Just basic sidekick. I mean, you think Carlack would have been able to defend against that? [00:35:35] Speaker A: No, he wasn't ready for it. [00:35:39] Speaker B: Well, he's the best fighter they have, and he couldn't anticipate a punch or a kick. I don't know how you become world champion if you get kicked in the face all the time. [00:35:49] Speaker A: He doesn't kick a bad idea all the time. He wasn't ready for. [00:35:53] Speaker B: Well, anyway, chameleon boy grabs them all. Now they all grab hold of Timberwolf, and Timberwolf punches through the dome and starts going away. There's a whole ton of kirby crackle going on. It's crackling Kirby everywhere. [00:36:14] Speaker A: Cool. I mean, like, almost two pages of it when you think about it, because. [00:36:18] Speaker B: It just keeps going, and this ship flies in, and it's like legionnaires over here, and they just jump in the ship, and they get there, and we see colossal boy in a colossal seat. [00:36:31] Speaker A: It's so big. [00:36:34] Speaker B: And maybe with colossal boy there, Carlack wouldn't be favored 17 to one anymore. [00:36:40] Speaker A: Right? [00:36:41] Speaker B: So we've got colossal boy in his giant seat, and. Yeah, well, they got him off the planet for a second, and then. Uh oh. Damage report. Navcom dysfunction. [00:36:55] Speaker A: Uh oh. Not good. [00:36:57] Speaker B: Something went wrong. They got hit. Right. That's bad news. And we get five legionnaires missing, presumed dead, two more about to be burned at the stake. 25 pages aren't nearly enough to begin to say what happens next in the legionnaires are made for burning. Long live the Legion. That's the end of the first story. We still got a backup here. So you will get back to Orando, and you'll get to find out what's happening with karate kid and queen projector there. [00:37:27] Speaker A: Oh, my goodness. [00:37:28] Speaker B: And you're going to have to wait a whole issue to find out what happens to these guys. [00:37:32] Speaker A: Oh, my goodness. [00:37:34] Speaker B: That's why I think, too, it's great. But I think that's also why, remember I said Paul Levitt said these were never meant to be read in order, graphic novel style. [00:37:45] Speaker A: It's a taste. It's a nice sampling for you, but it's a meal unto itself, right? [00:37:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, and it's the keep you coming back. Right? We're going to rotate between these stories, so you are buying month to month, right? And we're going to keep you excited. He gets more serialized later in his writing and not too far in, because we're about to have one of the most epic four issue stories ever written, so it does get more serialized and not going back and forth. But he's doing a lot of build up still. And I do like this, though, right? Like, if you are reading a comic month to month, it's not like he abandons the other storylines and doesn't reference them at all. Right. [00:38:33] Speaker A: Well, it's like I flip the page here to go into the second to the backup story, and I'm expecting something, and I get something else, which I'm happy with, and we'll get there. But I was expecting something. I was like, what's going to happen? [00:38:50] Speaker B: You're expecting karate kid and projector to be on a get and you turn the page and it's okay. So I'm going to pick the least favorite art combination. I'm just going to say Broderick with Maldstadt inking is definitely the worst of the four combinations by a lot. [00:39:10] Speaker A: And for listeners out there, just to give you some. Oh, boy. Just to give you, like, an idea, if you grew up in the were getting, like, a bag from McDonald's that had some artwork on it and it had superheroes. And you were excited because it had superheroes on it, but then it also had grease from the hamburger or french fries. And this is that bag, and this is the artwork. Not to say that it's bad, obviously, it's still cool artwork, but it's not as pretty as you wanted it to. [00:39:52] Speaker B: Obviously. I read the Broderick interview in the legion companion by tomorrow's publishing, and Broderick said he was really disappointed he didn't get to stay on the book for the great darkness saga. I am not very disappointed because the other art is so amazing. What I'll also say, too, is some of me thinks that they switch giffin to the main story and they're like, pat Broderick, this is going to be your last eight issues. Eight pages on the maybe, maybe, just maybe, he might have been frustrated, and maybe this wasn't his best effort, because the art in the other books with Broderick doesn't. [00:40:35] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, no, it looks a lot better. This looks very flat. [00:40:38] Speaker B: It wasn't Malstat inking it either, but it does look a lot. The Broderick Patterson stuff looked a lot better than this. Even. Like, I'm thinking back, the scenes on the asteroid with them playing volleyball and stuff. He could draw figures. He could definitely draw figures here. It wouldn't indicate he could even draw Shadowlass's costume. Like, if you're looking on. Well, anyway, it just sucks because this is the start of a big story, and this little piece that starts it just doesn't do it. Just the writing is great, but the art. [00:41:17] Speaker A: But the story, it tells a good. [00:41:21] Speaker B: Story, and that's all that I don't. Well, anyway, sometimes you have to take. [00:41:27] Speaker A: With what you're given and enjoy. Yeah, if I've learned anything. Yes, but it is. [00:41:33] Speaker B: Well, what we find out is the United Planets asks shadowass, or, well, asks the legion of superheroes to investigate a world. And Monel does what he does best. He grabs shadow lass and he flies into space. Super disappointing that they have the stupid. That nobody told Pat Broderick they don't have to wear the globe helmets does. Yeah, well, again, I think that's something an editor should have taken care of. So. Mike W. Barr, right? Come on, step up. [00:42:03] Speaker A: Come on. [00:42:04] Speaker B: That should have been taken care. Really does. This really does issue the end to the short Broderick run on the book. And that's fine. I won't get too mad about it. But I don't know, every time I read this, it just annoys me because the front story art is so good. [00:42:21] Speaker A: Right? [00:42:22] Speaker B: Even with the heavy lines. Right. And this is just. Well, it is what it is. So we find out that they are investigating this world. We can get through this story pretty quickly. There's a lot of talking between and he's establishing their relationship. This is one, though, where I think he gets so comfortable with the characters. Right. And writing all the dialogue for all the characters that maybe Levitz doesn't do his best when it's just a couple of the characters, because there's still just a lot. There doesn't need to be this much for the two. [00:42:57] Speaker A: Yeah. He's like, oh, well, I have to have something on every panel, don't you? Could just let the art talk, let the sound effects talk. [00:43:09] Speaker B: But we do get some background story, and I think one important highlight to point is Monel says, true enough, my love, but this is a singularly mean looking place. I spent a thousand years in the Phantom zone without ever catching a glimpse of anything like it. And as a reminder to those like Greg, who didn't read the Legion of superheroes, those of you who remember Monell's imprisonment goes way to the head of the class, Mike W. Barr. That really actually doesn't help in an editorial note. What you could have said in an editorial note is Monell was imprisoned in a thousand years in the phantom zone while they worked on a cure for his lead poisoning. That took a thousand years for. It took a thousand years for science to catch up with healing Monell so he could come out of the Phantom zone, because daximites are allergic to lead like kryptonians are allergic to kryptonite. So, as you can see, that's pretty dangerous if you are a daximite, because lead is everywhere. [00:44:11] Speaker A: See? Terrible. I see. That led to his imprisonment in the phantom zone. [00:44:16] Speaker B: Yeah, not so great. It led to his imprisonment. Yeah, I got you. Well, what we get over the next couple of pages is some really cool action shots of the world just attacking them. [00:44:31] Speaker A: Basically dangerous there. [00:44:32] Speaker B: There's like, a bunch of weapons. There's like, tanks coming at them and safe distance. Yeah, the tanks are knocked. They knock Monel out. Monel is sort of like the legion's wharf, right? If you need to establish how powerful an alien is, you have them beat. [00:44:50] Speaker A: Good. That's a good assessment. I like. [00:44:55] Speaker B: So anyway, we get a couple pages of stuff beating up poor Monelle, and he wakes up, he's like, shady, what hit me? And she's like, I don't know, love, but it's okay now. And don't ask me why either, but my flight ring is buzzing and they signal legion hq and they're going to tell everybody that this planet is off limits. But as the planet awakens. Oh, no, we get this. But were the truth to be known, it would not be considered one 10th of as important as an event unfolding on the far side of the barren world on which the legionnaires stand. A simple event, yet one that heralds many others, greater, more dangerous. A plume of smoke rises, blacker even than the starless night around it. Age stone creeks upon the age stone deep. What? Age stone creeks upon age Stone deep. And a crypt far below the fiery pits that still burn like pock marks on the face of a burned out globe. A hand moves, fingers twisting gently, seeking a neck to crush an arm shifts, moving, reaches out for power. He wakes. He has endured there for many years, waiting, recovering, gathering the strength that once toppled the world. Now he is almost ready. First, he will emerge and test his strange future world where the humans have grown so strong. Then he will strike, and darkness will cover all with fear. And when he has won, he knows it will all be dark once more, with nary an offending star pimpling his sky with light. [00:46:45] Speaker A: We get a page. [00:46:48] Speaker B: Yeah, we get a page where they're like, hey, we're going to put a distrust beacon here, tell people to stay away. And then we get his face, sparkly eyes. And he says, worship the darkness, fools, until the day it comes for you. [00:47:03] Speaker A: That's a bad dude. [00:47:05] Speaker B: And it says, coming soon, the servants of great darkness. But will they be coming for you? Or you? [00:47:12] Speaker A: Or you? [00:47:13] Speaker B: Or you? [00:47:14] Speaker A: Or you? [00:47:16] Speaker B: It is a good teaser for what's to come. It absolutely is cool. And I love it, too. Because if you look in the panel before his face and if you knew the Kirby character, you probably could figure this out because you're getting a half back view of the. [00:47:35] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:47:36] Speaker B: Right. But they're giving you enough to where you could potentially figure it out, but not enough. And then they take this away from you. So. And then they'll bring it back. [00:47:47] Speaker A: I figured it out when I saw his foot. [00:47:49] Speaker B: Right, but you've lived with the character your whole life. [00:47:51] Speaker A: I figured it out when I saw Pinky. Well, pinky child. [00:47:57] Speaker B: Well, we get the letters page. And we get the last of the letters about the Roy Thomas run. And we get a letter. I love these letters. Here's from Mike Turner of 13 eight four one feather sound drive in Clearwater, Florida. 33520. If you want to write this man. And he says, fantastic. This is the only word for Legion 283. The startling Secret of wildfire. One hero being spotlighted is a great idea. Mike Turner, are you reading the wrong series? Because there are lots of series that feature one hero. This comic, however, is not one of them. Maybe he doesn't enjoy the Legion of superheroes. Maybe he would just want to read Superman or Batman or Hawkman or any number of other books. [00:48:47] Speaker A: Wonder Woman, write him, like, literally a page. A page back. Dear Mike, have you ever read the books before? We cover so many characters you've never seen. We have to cover all the. [00:49:04] Speaker B: Well, no, they didn't write him a page back. That was all Robert Booth's editor. They don't write to Mike Turner at all. [00:49:11] Speaker A: I thought they wrote. [00:49:12] Speaker B: Yeah, it's dear Mike. Dear Mike. Is he. That's Mike Turner. But dear Mike would be Mike. [00:49:17] Speaker A: I thought they. [00:49:19] Speaker B: See, but somebody does get like a half page story. I thought they're writing, talking about all the other characters, which I think is great. [00:49:25] Speaker A: I thought it was a dear Mike back. I get it. I thought they were writing back to him saying, hey, we write a lot of stuff about a lot of things. [00:49:35] Speaker B: Though I will highlight something in this letter about the reflecto saga. It says, once the ultra boy mess was cleared up, in my mind anyway, I really did enjoy the rest of the issue. So once the main part of the plot of the issue was cleared up, then he liked the rest of the issue. By the way, the psycho Warrior in that issue is one of the worst characters ever in comics. But we need to read about all good. No, we don't. [00:50:03] Speaker A: Listeners, if you want us to read. [00:50:06] Speaker B: There'S a reason we started where we did. [00:50:08] Speaker A: I think it's up to the listeners. [00:50:10] Speaker B: The listeners don't really want us to read the reflecto saga. Nobody wants to be subjected to that listener. They should hear how happy I'm. I gave you good things to read. [00:50:23] Speaker A: I know you're so excited about the. [00:50:25] Speaker B: Happiness, and they're going to want us to go back. [00:50:29] Speaker A: So happy and excited about all of this. [00:50:31] Speaker B: Well, we do have a couple of announcements. Well, I met with someone. Yeah? [00:50:40] Speaker A: Who'd you meet with? [00:50:41] Speaker B: I did. [00:50:44] Speaker A: Talk about it. Or are you just going to tease about it? [00:50:47] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I think it's probably fair to talk about it there. We're most of the way there. So we said this year there would be some network changes, and we thought maybe it would be us expanding our network. But we still may do that, and it's entirely possible. But we are going to partner with another network. [00:51:06] Speaker A: What? [00:51:07] Speaker B: Yeah, partnering with another mean. So our podcast is still going to be on our YouTube, still going to be on funny book. You still look for us, you're still going to find funny book forensics. You can even still go to our website and you can get our podcast. So none of that changes, right? That's all the same. But we're also going to be through our RSS feed. So I almost said they're going to distribute us, but that's not even the case. But Project nerd, those people, is going to start carrying our podcast or our RSS feed on their. Met with. Well, I met with Iggy and Project nerd, and yeah, we're super excited about that. So news to come. It's not going to happen quite yet. But we're working on a start date with them as of right now. So we also recommend you just go check out all the cool stuff that they're working on. In addition, we'll be on the press play podcast. Yeah, probably to promote. I mean, Iggy wants to talk to us and I told him that's dangerous. I said, you bring us on and he's like, well, you bring you on to promote the podcast. And I said, well, you should probably pick a book for us to talk about because if you just bring us on to talk, we're just going to end talking about. [00:52:36] Speaker A: He, he's done this in the past where when we were at Omaha and we sat down and talked and it was a matter of like, hey, we're just going to hang out and talk about stuff. And like 3 hours goes by and it was like his wife had walked away and left. [00:52:53] Speaker B: 3 hours goes by and I was the Ocon comic champion. [00:52:58] Speaker A: You had the belt. [00:53:00] Speaker B: I had the. So I even disappeared to come back with a belt. Everything happened. So the important thing here is we're excited for this partnership. It's going to be awesome. We love iggy. We love Project nerd. So we're excited to be a part of what they do. Also, the partnership does include that this could be, maybe it won't always be Greg, you might be just stuck with me, but this could mean that we have a bigger presence at cons that project nerd helps run, too. So if project nerds at a con, then we potentially, potentially are invited to go out there and do some interviews and maybe host live episodes of the podcast again. So I think excited about some partnerships there coming up. Of course, it gives Greg an opportunity to promote his books, which we'll talk about at the end in various places across the country, but also gives us an opportunity to partner up, gives me an opportunity to scratch the itch of doing some interviews with comics creators that maybe we could even record some of those. I'm pretty excited to get this partnership going, and who knows where it leads for us. If it leads to nothing, it's fine, because we get to hang out with great friends and be part of a really cool network. And if it leads to other things, like more appearances where you can get our fine funny book, forensic stickers and other different things and come meet us even better. Yeah, I'm pumped up. It sounds like a fun thing. But what I will say too, with that, nothing changes from our perspective. So if you're already subscribed to the podcast feed, you are golden in the near future, too, in the podcast notes. I'll also, though, put in the feed for all of the project nerd podcasts. And Iggy creates one big feed where everything they do goes through that. So that would include us. So if you wanted to pick up more podcasts, you thought we were awesome, go check those out. And you were like, those guys are awesome. Their friends must be awesome, too. Then you could go and check out these other podcasts as well. So they have a brand new pro wrestling podcast that I totally forgot the title for, which really makes great promo work for me. But yeah, we'll get that in there next episode. But yeah, so just dropping that in and that's going to be great. So we're rolling with that. We also, of course, we aren't joking about going to Summercon. Greg's working on getting that Saturday off months in advance, but we will literally just be walking around Summercon. [00:55:45] Speaker A: You'll see us with our fanny packs and our hats. [00:55:49] Speaker B: Don't forget to wear your funny book forensics hat. [00:55:53] Speaker A: I will wear it. I have it. It's actually behind me, but I was wearing my other hat. [00:55:58] Speaker B: Maybe I'll get us some t shirts. [00:55:59] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. T shirts. [00:56:03] Speaker B: If you see us out with our t shirts, come talk to us. We will nerd out about comics with you. And then, of course, Greg has a book that is coming out in the first week of March. [00:56:15] Speaker A: The first week of March. That would be absolute zeros camp launch pad written by Michael Tanner and myself. [00:56:24] Speaker B: And actually, when this podcast comes out, I think it'll have been out for two days. If it comes out on March 4. [00:56:32] Speaker A: Oh, my goodness. Yeah. [00:56:35] Speaker B: So anyway, you should be able to buy that. I've got the links in every episode. You can buy that thing on Amazon. Of course, if you buy the hardcover version, you will get an MXPx CD. It will smell like vanilla cupcakes. It will have Cordycep mushrooms to turn you into a zombie. [00:56:51] Speaker A: It will have none of those things. [00:56:54] Speaker B: And of course, and of course everyone will get a pack. Are you ready? Of sports flick baseball cards from 1986? [00:57:08] Speaker A: That must be coming out of one of your boxes. [00:57:10] Speaker B: I think I sold all those to Anne, actually, and she's already sold them. [00:57:13] Speaker A: All because I was like, unless you have more, I don't think we have any left. [00:57:18] Speaker B: No. I had some unopened boxes and I think I gave them to Anne. She paid them. I should have held onto them. They're probably worth a ton now, but. [00:57:26] Speaker A: So much, dude, they're worth like 250. [00:57:29] Speaker B: Now instead of 150. Yeah, it's incredible. Well, anyway, you can also, of course, find Greg at the retro Emporium in Kent, Washington on Meeker street. Relive your childhood. Sometimes Greg's there, Anne's always there, except on Mondays. So if you want to go hang out, go look at cool stuff. If you're in the Washington state, in the Kent, Washington, Seattle Tacoma area, go visit Anne. We'd love to see that happen. Also, want to give a big shout out to comics. The gathering in Tacoma who are in Lakewood now, who I haven't been to their new store, but look them up. They're great guys, and they just got out of a crappy location and a crappy lease and moved to a new, brand new location. [00:58:14] Speaker A: Better store. [00:58:15] Speaker B: If you're up here in the area, go ahead and support their store. There's lots of great stores that we talk about here, but I just wanted to bring them up because they got a brand new location and we should support them when we can support your local comic shops. If you have a local comic shop you want us to call out, let us know. Actually message us on Facebook or Instagram, and we'll call out your favorite comic shop too, because we love local comic. That's, that'd be awesome. I know. Besides your book with Mike and Gabrielle, I know. Starlight number seven. [00:58:49] Speaker A: I know, like, well, going to be. [00:58:51] Speaker B: Launching probably the end of March. [00:58:53] Speaker A: March. Britt just sent over a image for the COVID and it looks amazing. I'm pretty excited. I can't wait to be able to share that off with people. It's going to look really cool. So be on the lookout for that. [00:59:06] Speaker B: As Travis, where every character. [00:59:13] Speaker A: Is not, that is not happening. [00:59:16] Speaker B: Yes, it's going to be a terribly sad ending where everyone dies. I know how you all do this thing. [00:59:22] Speaker A: Hush, hush, hush. [00:59:23] Speaker B: Oh, is that why you don't give me the advanced copies? No, Dan, as an esteemed member of the comic book media, yes, I feel like I should get advanced copies of books, like from Little Brown Publishing or, I have no control from overcast comics. With the sheer amount and volume of listeners we have, I am now an influential voice in comic. [00:59:54] Speaker A: I will see what I can do. [00:59:56] Speaker B: It is incredible what I don't get to see. [01:00:00] Speaker A: I am so sorry. [01:00:03] Speaker B: It's unreal. You know, it's important, though. What's important, too, is even if I did get to see it, I wouldn't be able to actually talk about it or share it with anyone because it has no page numbers. So I wouldn't be able to reference anything that people could see and talk about. [01:00:19] Speaker A: Yes. Starlet has no page numbers. [01:00:22] Speaker B: Did you notice all those legion of supervara books have page numbers so I could reference? [01:00:26] Speaker A: Page number has page numbers. Gabrielle has put page numbers. Gabrielle Gomez has put page numbers on there because she cares about what Dan. [01:00:37] Speaker B: Thinks, as everyone is. I noticed I posted on Facebook, on Travis's feed about the x Men cartoon. I wrote basically that I don't read or care about anybody else's opinion about comics and then realized like an hour later, I do an entire podcast about comics that people listen to. [01:00:59] Speaker A: You don't care, but you care about your opinion about comics. [01:01:05] Speaker B: I mean, it is a very debater. [01:01:07] Speaker A: Thing to do that you guys think about comics. [01:01:11] Speaker B: I also think what I meant by that was that I personally don't get geared up when something new is out there. I want to see it, then I'll talk to people about it. Right. But it's like, I'm not going to let somebody's opinion cloud my enjoyment of something. [01:01:26] Speaker A: I want to experience it. [01:01:29] Speaker B: I mean, it could be really terrible. Like the blue Beetle movie. [01:01:32] Speaker A: I haven't seen it. I haven't made my opinion of it. Everybody's like, oh, Madame Webb, I want to watch it. I'll give it my. I'll see what I think. [01:01:41] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, well, you're getting a free Madam Webb t shirt. Where's mine? This is the kind of thing I set up the partnership with. I'm the one that actually does the partnership with. I'm like, I know you have the long term relationship with it, but I do the phone call where we arrange everything, and then the first thing we get, iggy's like, oh, send Greg a madam Webb t shirt. [01:02:04] Speaker A: I'm like, I'm sorry. Well, okay. [01:02:07] Speaker B: Also, too, don't I at least get one of those cool pink pn t shirts or something like that? [01:02:13] Speaker A: Part of my long standing with Project nerd is people should, if you like, if you like memes and other fun things like that. Project Nerd has a whole entire page. It's devoted on their facebook. They do post a lot of memes, and I'm part of the team that helps put those together. We have a meme editor that picks and chooses the appropriate ones and posting them. [01:02:38] Speaker B: You know that I don't understand how memes work, so how is this fair? [01:02:41] Speaker A: It's not fair for you, but it's fun. You appreciate the ones that, the ones that you see and most of the. [01:02:48] Speaker B: Ones I really don't understand most of them treat a lot like, I have no idea. Like this one. [01:02:54] Speaker A: Which one? [01:02:55] Speaker B: Well, I mean, this is just kind of gross. I'm not going to read it, actually. The one you put in the chat. Oh, yeah. [01:02:59] Speaker A: Don't. [01:03:02] Speaker B: And then I don't know where this creepy little girl came from that shows up. I honestly just don't know what's happening most of the time. But that's okay. I read comic books and read history books about comic books, and I'm going to have chicken thighs for dinner. Like, I've got the basics mapped out, right. We're good. We're square. Yeah. [01:03:34] Speaker A: Anyway, Project nerd, I posted so many of these, I was like, oh, yeah, that one. That's not even the worst of. That's the project nerd. Project nerd. [01:03:45] Speaker B: Project nerd. Yeah. Well, anyway, we're friends. [01:03:47] Speaker A: We're friends. Check them out because we're going to be doing. We're teaming. [01:03:52] Speaker B: Yeah. You probably can find them at Project nerd something. [01:03:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:56] Speaker B: Project nerd.com uk. [01:04:02] Speaker A: No, you can find Canada. [01:04:05] Speaker B: Canada, Canada, Colorado. [01:04:12] Speaker A: Their heads, their mouths slapped together because they're canadian. [01:04:19] Speaker B: Flappy Jaws. It's Project nerd.com, by the way. That's how prepared I was for this, as you can see. Oh, hey, look, if I go to their website, I can also tell you that their brand new wrestling podcast is called Spandex standups. [01:04:34] Speaker A: Spandex standups. [01:04:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Project nerds first wrestling podcast is here. You know what? [01:04:43] Speaker A: If we do do the video game thing, it'd be funny because you'll probably play really well, and I'll probably play really bad because I don't play that type of video game. [01:04:53] Speaker B: At know, you underestimate my ability to be bad at video games. Right? Like, you're like, oh, Dan will do better because it's football. [01:05:01] Speaker A: You probably will. [01:05:02] Speaker B: You know, I broke a controller when Paul hit a home run in baseball. [01:05:06] Speaker A: Off of me, dude. Me playing football games is like me playing a fighting game. It's just like spamming. [01:05:17] Speaker B: It's like, oh, well, and that will probably make you win. [01:05:21] Speaker A: I got to do a bunch of stuff to make them pass or block or whatever. I don't know, x, square, circle, right button, depending on which system I'm playing on. I'm going off a. [01:05:38] Speaker B: Anyway, we are. We're helping project nerd get their content back going and we're excited to partner with them. So it's going to be great. I also told Iggy that our commercials for things sound about like this. So he was expecting for us to just totally not know anything about what we were doing. [01:05:56] Speaker A: Exactly. [01:05:56] Speaker B: But we knew everything, right? Yeah. And by the way, if you go to project Nerd's website, you will automatically be sent ten silver coins. [01:06:05] Speaker A: Ten silver coins? For what? [01:06:07] Speaker B: You don't know where they'll come from. [01:06:08] Speaker A: You don't know where they're going to come from. You don't know where they're going to go. You don't know how they're going to get there, and you don't know what they'll grow. Silver coins. [01:06:16] Speaker B: They're all going to appear behind your ear. [01:06:18] Speaker A: All behind your ear. Or in your toes, anyway. [01:06:25] Speaker B: In between your toes. Yeah, that's where we're going. It's all good. [01:06:28] Speaker A: Like the rubber hose. [01:06:30] Speaker B: Anyway. [01:06:30] Speaker A: Yes. [01:06:31] Speaker B: I think we should probably wrap this one up. [01:06:33] Speaker A: All right, well, we will wrap it up. Until next time. [01:06:36] Speaker B: Okay. Look, they have a whole article dedicated to my birthday. [01:06:41] Speaker A: Yeah, they have an article dedicated to your birthday. [01:06:43] Speaker B: I've written five quick men's Halloween costumes from Amazon. [01:06:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I write for them sometimes. [01:06:53] Speaker B: Wow. Did you write this? No, I did not write that article. [01:06:55] Speaker A: I wrote an article about the warriors because I love the movie the warriors. [01:06:59] Speaker B: Well, there is an article in here about BoJack Horseman being a perfect explanation of mental health, and I agree with that 100%. In fact, we've discussed this. When I watch BoJack horsemen, I get quite depressed because I have to confront my own reality. [01:07:12] Speaker A: Such a good show, in the sense of, like, it's a very deep. [01:07:18] Speaker B: Yeah, you just also can't watch it very. It's like watching the whale more than once. [01:07:22] Speaker A: Yeah, no. [01:07:23] Speaker B: Did you watch it? [01:07:25] Speaker A: I've watched key portions of it. I can't watch the movie. There's a lot to unpack. [01:07:31] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I maybe teared up. [01:07:34] Speaker A: There's a lot to unpack in that. [01:07:36] Speaker B: Multiple times. There's even more in that for me to unpack than you. Well, anyway. Okay, so before we leave this on a dour note, where I'm talking about. [01:07:49] Speaker A: Why did you take us? [01:07:50] Speaker B: Wow. Yeah, we should probably. [01:07:53] Speaker A: People with the things we're excited about. Summercon. Awesome. Going to go there. Going to go gym. Shooter. What's up, Grimbor? And then also project nerd. Love it. Excited. [01:08:06] Speaker B: And maybe some cons in the future that we can't announce yet. We're going to get on the grid. [01:08:12] Speaker A: We'Re going to get some money. [01:08:13] Speaker B: We might get to do. [01:08:14] Speaker A: Oh, you're talking about going to conventions. I was all talking about like. [01:08:18] Speaker B: Oh, you were talking about selling the snake oil the newspaper. [01:08:22] Speaker A: Getting the grit. [01:08:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Your favorite con. I don't know. We have fallen off a cliff here at the end of the podcast, which is fine, but, yeah, it's okay. We're allowed. [01:08:37] Speaker A: I roll the one. [01:08:41] Speaker B: Of course you did. Let's just hope you don't cause me to roll a lot of ones tomorrow night. [01:08:45] Speaker A: You're going to roll nothing but ones. [01:08:48] Speaker B: I mean, they don't expect anything else from me. [01:08:52] Speaker A: I read that letter again, and I saw Mike Turner, and I thought it was Mike Tanner. And as I reread the letter again, I was like, gosh, that reads like something Mike Tanner would write to the editors. [01:09:05] Speaker B: It does. [01:09:06] Speaker A: He's such a grumpy dude sometimes. I love Mike Mike. [01:09:10] Speaker B: I mean, he's your writing. [01:09:13] Speaker A: I saw him getting a fight with somebody about X Men today online. Did you see that? And it was like, no, I have. [01:09:20] Speaker B: Not been online today because I have a job. [01:09:22] Speaker A: Like 20 responses. And I was like, I would have just given up at one, dude. I would have just been like, okay, I'm done. [01:09:32] Speaker B: That was not the conversation I was referring to, but, yeah. Well, anyway, I think we're either off. Are we off to 287 next? [01:09:40] Speaker A: No, this was, wasn't it? [01:09:42] Speaker B: Are we off to two eightye or are we off to the annual. I think we're off to 287. [01:09:48] Speaker A: Next one is. I don't know. [01:09:52] Speaker B: Well, anyway, we'll read them both. [01:09:54] Speaker A: I'll read them both. Excitement. [01:09:57] Speaker B: We'll be doing two eightyat soon. And annual one soon and two eightyn soon. And 290 soon. And 291. And 292. And 293 and 294. And then we'll be done with Legion for a while because we probably should read other things. Because I spent the entire two months doing legion because it's amazing. [01:10:15] Speaker A: It's okay. This has been fun. I'm liking it. [01:10:20] Speaker B: I'm glad that you read the first couple. And you were like, what is he getting me into? And then you're like, oh, wait. He wasn't lying. It does keep getting better each time. All right, well, we're out of here, and we will see you soon. That's it. Goodbye. [01:10:34] Speaker A: Goodbye. [01:10:35] Speaker B: Goodbye. I've got to find the button. I can't find the button this time. [01:10:39] Speaker A: Buried the thing. [01:10:41] Speaker B: There's the button. I did, too.