Funny Book Forensics 285 Sandy Duncan Apocalypse

[00:00:06] Speaker A: Greg, we're back. Oh, we are back. You asked for a clever intro, and so I'm surprised you have a voice after know. [00:00:14] Speaker B: I know. Let me tell you, I did not on Saturday night, nor did I have one on Sat on Sunday. [00:00:23] Speaker A: Now, for those of you that don't know, in the magic world of podcasts, where the podcast comes out later than we're actually at. But we're all good with that. Greg was the squatcho man on the day before Halloween. [00:00:36] Speaker B: That's right. People came on down to the retro Emporium and I handed out candy to those children who were enjoying the great outdoors in their costumes. [00:00:47] Speaker A: And the great news is, you would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those darn kids. [00:00:52] Speaker B: Darn it. It's true. As soon as they unmasked me, then they knew who. Nobody knew who I was. [00:00:59] Speaker A: Did you know Scooby Doo was a Great Dane? [00:01:01] Speaker B: I did not know that. I just thought he was, like, a Dalmatian. [00:01:05] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know. I just thought he was a dog. I never really thought about Scooby Doo's breed. Right? No, I just thought he was a big dog. Big dog. I've got a big, sleepy, wet dog behind me. But, yeah, Scooby Doo is a Great Dane. I had no idea. [00:01:20] Speaker B: I had no clue. [00:01:23] Speaker A: And as you probably are getting the hang, the idea here is we're going to talk about Scooby Doo. [00:01:28] Speaker B: What? Yeah, we are talking about Scooby Doo. Who picked this? [00:01:33] Speaker A: You did. [00:01:34] Speaker B: Oh, that is mean. Yeah, I did, didn't I? [00:01:37] Speaker A: But I didn't disagree with you. I thought we should do this a couple of times. [00:01:42] Speaker B: It's true. You've thrown it out two or three times to the point where I was like, I think if I say, let's just do this, there will be no contest. [00:01:52] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, there's literally no argument. I'm like, I'm all good with this. As you might guess, Scooby Doo has a long history. The first TV appearance of Scooby Doo was in 1969 on CBS. And then they later went to ABC. And unfortunately, with the move to ABC, we went from Scooby Doo, where are you? And the new Scooby movies, which. Scooby Doo movies, which featured great people like Mama Cass. [00:02:21] Speaker B: Oh, yes. [00:02:23] Speaker A: To the ABC years where we got the Scooby Doo and Scooby's all star laugh OlympiCS. And Scooby Doo. And the introduction of the worst character ever in the Scooby Doo universe. Scrappy Doo. [00:02:33] Speaker B: Yes. [00:02:34] Speaker A: Which is no good. The 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo was pretty good. That was pretty solid. [00:02:39] Speaker B: I like 13 ghosts. The movie is pretty scary. And I'm surprised that they would even bring Shaggy in there as a ghost expert. And I was surprised that he got killed so early. [00:02:51] Speaker A: And apparently there was a Velma spin off series sometimes from 2010 to now on Cartoon Network. I have no idea. [00:02:59] Speaker B: I'll have to check that out. [00:03:00] Speaker A: But I'm really curious about that, actually. That's fascinating. [00:03:05] Speaker B: You have to go watch 13 Ghost and see the Shaggy murder Scene, though. [00:03:11] Speaker A: Wow. Okay, well, that could be interesting. Well, the one listener. What they really care about are comics, though, and appeared the first time in comic books in what, 1969? In December because of the popular TV show. Now, I'm going to let you guess, and we're going to test your history here. Even though I know you're going to get it wrong, I'm going to ask you anyway. Okay, what company published the original Scooby Doo comic books in 1969? And here is your clue. They also published the original Star Trek. [00:03:44] Speaker B: Comic books, Golden Key. [00:03:47] Speaker A: Hey, you knew it. See, I gave you too easy of a clue. [00:03:50] Speaker B: No, I knew that before you even said that. And I am saddened that you would think that I wouldn't know this. [00:03:58] Speaker A: You're right, because the Gold key comics are right up your alley and not mine. [00:04:02] Speaker B: Totally right up my alley. These are totally in my wheelhouse of things that I literally have in the box right behind me. [00:04:11] Speaker A: Yeah. What's even more interesting is Charlton actually published Scooby Doo issues from 1975, in 1975, which is kind of crazy. And then they went to Marvel. Archie did some Scooby Doo comics. I feel like Scooby Doo has been everywhere. [00:04:25] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I mean, that's why they always ask, where are you? Because they don't know which publisher he's at. [00:04:29] Speaker A: And then, of course, they got somehow stuck under the Warner Brothers and Banner, so then they ended up in DC, and that's where we're at. And so we are going to cover in my estimation. But we're probably going to disagree. But that's okay. I was never a big fan of Scooby Doo. I'm sorry, that's sacrilege. [00:04:52] Speaker B: I'm saddened by this, but I can understand. [00:04:56] Speaker A: Scooby Doo was a show and of, like, please judge me, fan, single fan that we have, please judge me. But I know that the challenge of the super friends ended the same way every episode. Right? Like, they would fight the Legion of Doom, and the Legion of Doom would always sneakily get away. And Luther would laugh. Right? It was the same. Or it'd be like brainiac, right? Ha ha. I made this device that magic ray that adapts us away. We'll meet you friends. Ha. Right. Yeah. I hated Scooby Doo because it ended the same way every episode. Right. And so my sister would watch it and I would just be so frustrated. She'd have to run in and watch Scooby Doo at the same time. I'd be watching some other cartoon of some sort. Right. Or something. [00:05:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:38] Speaker A: I'm like, do we have to watch Scooby Doo? It's, like, going to be the same thing every single time. As a grown up, I did come to appreciate the Scooby Doo movies. I love all the guest stars they had. But when I was watching those in syndication as a kid, what did Mama cast mean to me? [00:05:55] Speaker B: Nothing. As a kid. Nothing. Probably. It was great for an adult watching it with you because there was pop. [00:06:05] Speaker A: We're watching these in syndication from age six to age 1012. [00:06:12] Speaker B: It was definitely, like about 15 years removed. [00:06:17] Speaker A: And I would even say less than that. Probably age six to age ten. Yeah. I was born in 74, and these came out from 69 to 76. And that was the Scooby Doo movies began in 72. So most of these celebrities were in their prime when I was. Yeah. [00:06:37] Speaker B: They had the original Globetrotter lineup, the Gilligan's island team. [00:06:45] Speaker A: And I did appreciate some of them. I loved the Batman guest star. I always loved him. Batman was on because it was Batman. I mean, shock of shocks. I loved the fact that Batman was on. Okay. [00:06:55] Speaker B: Right. [00:06:56] Speaker A: And they had some interesting crossovers like Josie and the Pussycats, it looks lIke, too. And Phyllis Diller. Yeah, Phyllis Diller. Like, I remember these episodes. But why would, like, care about Phyllis Diller as a kid? [00:07:07] Speaker B: Because she's hilarious, Dan. [00:07:09] Speaker A: The Three Stooges, those were hilarious, too. Sandy Duncan was a guest star. Hilarious. Is that coming off of Peter Pan? [00:07:19] Speaker B: Seriously, I'm assuming. I don't know. [00:07:22] Speaker A: She sold wheat tins. She sold wheat tins and flew around in a Peter Pan suit. [00:07:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:32] Speaker A: That must have been how that episode went. I really didn't know anything about Sandy Duncan until much later. We knew who she was. Right. But she was, you know, these are all things. When we were like, yeah, she was Pinocchio. And then later on she was like, she replaced on the Hogan family. Right. Like, she replaced Valerie. [00:07:53] Speaker B: Yeah, Valerie. [00:07:54] Speaker A: Valerie. Is it Valerie Harper? [00:07:56] Speaker B: Yeah. I have a memory. Like, if you go to the Wikipedia page, it says she died in a car accident. I have a memory of the episode being where there was a fire in the house and she dies in a fire, which I find just utterly horrific. [00:08:16] Speaker A: That's pretty horrific. [00:08:18] Speaker B: I know, but I remember Jason Bateman being like, I don't know why. We should have got rid of these lamps, Dad. I should have got rid of that lamp. I knew it was bad, and it was like, the episode was like he set the house on fire because a bad lamp. [00:08:34] Speaker A: Well, the best thing it was, I mean, not that we're in a complete diatribe from what we're supposed to be talking about. It was like Valerie Harper was. It was called Valerie. [00:08:44] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:08:45] Speaker A: And he changed to the Hogan family, and they kicked off the main star. Right. That's so crazy. But anyway, yeah, I mean, until that show, I just knew Sandy Duncan as the. [00:08:59] Speaker B: Person, and then she comes on as the aunt and takes over the show, and everyone loves her. [00:09:05] Speaker A: Right? [00:09:05] Speaker B: And then we go back and we're watching that on weeknights, and we're watching our Scooby Doo and the episodes and the movies and stuff like that, and she's a guest star on there, and we're like, it's her. [00:09:20] Speaker A: So of course we're going to know. And of course. So we are doing a comic book, according to the comic book itself, conceptualized by Jim Lee, but written by two of my favorite people in comics, Keith Giffin and JM or John Mark De Mateus. I always say his name wrong, and I was super conscious about it, and I'm probably still saying it wrong. So I'm just going to apologize ahead of time. He's one of the nicest humans in comics. You'll just go up to his table and talk to him. He's so kind. I don't know if I could say that for Mr. Giffin. From what I've heard, I haven't actually got to meet him because the show I was going to, where I met John Mark was at the same show where Keith was going to be, and he came down with an illness and couldn't come. [00:10:06] Speaker B: Oh, no. [00:10:06] Speaker A: So I have JLI number one signed by Damateus, but not by Keith Giffin yet. And they're getting up there in years, so I need to get this taken care of. And when I say getting up there, they've got good 40 years left. I mean, they're 69 and 68, so I think we're probably okay. But I need to be careful, of course. And then the other connection for me with these authors that you don't know is Damateus is one of the best scriptors in comics. Would you agree with that? [00:10:36] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:10:36] Speaker A: Scripters, right. Like, he's scripted so many different things. He's a writer, too, right? So I'm not taking that away. He's written everything. He's written episodes of Justice League Unlimited. He's written episodes of Lost, I think, if I remember correctly. But he also excels as a scripter when he's put together in partnerships with good plotters like Keith Giffin and he reins. Keith Giffin's writing in, and I'm just going to turn this over to you for a second because he's one of my favorite scriptors, and I feel like this is something you write with a writing partner, right. And tell the group what it's. I've asked you this before, right? But draw this comparison. I think we talked about this when we did the original JLI episode, but talk a little bit about that relationship between two great writers, right, that know what they do. But how do you define the roles? Right. Clearly, Giffin has said I'm going to plot, and Dave Mateus has said I'm going to script. But how do you work that out as a partnership? [00:11:39] Speaker B: It kind of depends on the project, and it depends on the project and the writing partner writing with Mike Tanner on any of our projects, the way that we've always written since college has always been, I plot stuff out and he scripts. And then we get to a point sometimes where we get to a point where we can kind of run parallel to each other and do a few pages of our own stuff and then meet back. But generally speaking, we'll work through a document and I'll just talk through stuff. And then we've developed kind of a shorthand and he'll just start punching in stuff, and then as he's punching in stuff and getting the meat of what I'm saying, and then we'll just go back and then I'll just start kind of like typing back over the document again as he's moving into the next part that I've just spoken about. We just kind of like go back and forth that way. And that seems to work really well for us with Travis Webb on our projects like Starlight, we've written in a different way where he comes up with the master plot and I do the scripting action. So even though he can script and he scripted out thousands of pages without me, of course. But at least with this project, it's one that it works better for us to just unglue everything and put it back together that way. And it's a role reversal from what I'm used to with Mike. So it just, like I said, depends on the project, depends on the writing partner, depends on the comfort level as well. And sometimes two different people balance each other out differently on whatever it is. And sometimes when you're just singularly going at something, you just kind of like throw out the different things, the ideas, and then script it out. You and I have written some stuff, we're working on some stuff, and it's definitely throw out the idea and then just sit there and kind of work through the motions of getting the scripting out. And I think when I work through stuff on my own, that's kind of how I throw out all the stuff on the wall, like all the spaghetti and see if it sticks. And then I just kind of just go back through and rearrange it. [00:14:25] Speaker A: I think the fun, too, that at least the fun. When I met John Mark and we talked for a few minutes, I asked about the process, and of course I wished I had an audio clip, but he mentioned the fun he had doing this with Keith Giffin. Not just this, but all of their collaborative work. That's why they keep doing it over and over again. And the enjoyment you have of working with a partner and being able to talk it through with the partner and working together on it. [00:14:52] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. No. When you get on that role, if you will, and you're working with your creative partner on something, you could be totally drained from a long day, a bad week, whatever. And then all of a sudden you're just jamming through whatever that thing is and all of a sudden you both realize it's 12:00 and you both have to wake up for your day jobs that you work at 06:00 a.m. But that means you still have to get up an hour to 2 hours earlier, depending, and you're like, or whatever. Your days might be different, but it's one of those things where you're like, oh, hey, it is like I literally have to go to bed, but I'm still keyed up. And we've been plugging away for like 6 hours after working and eating and then jumping back into this thing. And it's just like sometimes that's just how the process is. And sometimes you just hit that moment of like 12:00 you're like, you know what? Let's just power through for a couple more hours and just knock this thing out. [00:16:07] Speaker A: Well, yeah, and I was going to say, let's chat a little bit too, just briefly. I mean, I just want to give some credit to. Obviously, they did Justice League international together and super fun. That's definitely blue Beetle, booster gold, as everybody remembers from that group. [00:16:30] Speaker B: Some of my favorite stories in. [00:16:33] Speaker A: I'm just. I'm not going to focus on everything they've written separately. I just want to kind of focus On a couple of things they've written together. They did a relaunch of that, too, like the formerly known as the Justice League and a couple of other collaborative pieces. And of course, they did this piece here, the Scooby Doo Apocalypse. But I mean, Keith Giffin. And Giffin is also an artist, right? As far know, penciler and mean. If you look at their writing credits independently, they've done everything right. [00:17:07] Speaker B: All the stuff. [00:17:08] Speaker A: It's absolutely insane. [00:17:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:12] Speaker A: It's absolutely amazing the amount of stories that these two individuals have shared with others. [00:17:19] Speaker B: Yeah. What they've shared with others, what they've created, what they've worked on, built and kind of just what these stories, how they've inspired and shaped a generation of creators and they're continuing to shape. [00:17:37] Speaker A: Yeah. And just for a note, I may have been wrong about that lost thing. I just kind of tossed that out there, but I don't see that in the television credits at the moment. But I will double check that. [00:17:45] Speaker B: Jeez, you got lost in this stuff, and then you just said he wrote lost. [00:17:50] Speaker A: Well, he did write four episodes of Legion of superheroes cartoon, so. John Mark D. Mateus did. And of course, Keith Giffin wrote tons of Legion of superheroes. Well, co plotted. Wrote, plotted. Wrote. [00:18:02] Speaker B: Drew. [00:18:03] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, just, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't be able to speak in front of him. So that's the important part. [00:18:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:14] Speaker A: But the great thing, you may not know this, but Damateus scripted one of the worst, at least by fans. I don't know if I think it's the worst, but by fans, one of the worst Legion of superheroes stories in. [00:18:28] Speaker B: Ooh, what is it? [00:18:29] Speaker A: It was Dr. Mayabel was the character in it, and it was just awful. We'll go back and look it up some other time. And it was around the Jerry Conway writing era right before Paul Levitt's and Keith Giffin took over the book and then had great darkness saga and some of the best stories ever. So it's kind of funny to me that they're writing partners, but one of them wrote one of the worst stories from my favorite comic book, theoretically. And then one wrote all the best stories from the book. So I just think that's funny. [00:19:00] Speaker B: It happens, right? [00:19:02] Speaker A: Yeah, it does. I mean, he can't all be good, but, I mean, we're talking scripting this book. He was scripting it for somebody else, too. So I don't think it was full writer credits. I think it was scripting credits. So, hey, sometimes as a scripter, you do the best with what the company gives you when you're young, right? [00:19:16] Speaker B: That's right. You do with what you got. [00:19:18] Speaker A: And that story was in Kyosh, like, 1980. So this should just tell you the story I'm referring to. So this should just tell you how long both of these folks have been great at their craft. [00:19:31] Speaker B: Very long. [00:19:32] Speaker A: Well, let's jump into the story itself. A little bit of fun with this. We've done, like, when Scooby Doo happened, and we've talked about our two writers. We also have Howard Porter on art, which is going to make the book beautiful. And as I did note, Jim Lee was given credit for inspiring the series and also drew the main cover of the book. So they were really all in with the Scooby Doo Apocalypse. I mean, a Jim Lee cover. We're going to put two heavy hitting writers and one of our top artists on this book. They did not cheat this book at all, did they? [00:20:02] Speaker B: No, not at all. It definitely is one of those things when they said, hey, we're going to relaunch this property and give it a good spin for a new audience and give them something different to check out. And this is definitely a way to get it out there. Give them a really good looking cover, which I'm going to say it is a beautiful cover, but boy, oh, boy, it was the bait and switch cover. Yeah, a little bit, because I'm like, I'm not seeing any of this. [00:20:50] Speaker A: Where is a very. It's a very. Jim Lee conceptualized the book and then drew his own cover. [00:20:57] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a cool. It looks really good. Although I'm like Fred in a big tribal tattoo on that. [00:21:06] Speaker A: Know, I believe Fred would have that. [00:21:08] Speaker B: You think so? [00:21:09] Speaker A: I do. That's very Fred. [00:21:11] Speaker B: I guess you're right. [00:21:12] Speaker A: That is. I mean, if Fred was plopped in, if Fred was a fraternity boy. [00:21:21] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. [00:21:22] Speaker A: And then following Daphne around later, he would have gotten a tribal tattoo. That's a given. [00:21:28] Speaker B: Yeah, 100%. [00:21:31] Speaker A: And I think it's actually really a foreshadowy cover. I think the COVID represents what the series is supposed to be more of, as opposed to what the single issue is supposed to be. So I can see how you would have felt cheated. And it's weird because I look at the COVID now, and I don't feel cheated at all. Right. I feel like this is what the series was about. [00:21:50] Speaker B: I could see that. I suppose I was like, oh, man, this is going to just jump off. Hot. [00:22:00] Speaker A: I think my favorite cover of the group, honestly, is the one that totally has nothing to do with anything that's going on. But it's the one with Scooby running away with the Scooby snack in his mouth from the Spider. That looks like something right out of another comic book I've been reading. [00:22:20] Speaker B: Does it does look a lot like a spider from the. [00:22:28] Speaker A: Even a painted cover. [00:22:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:31] Speaker A: Well, anyway, I don't know any books, though. I would just share on the podcast that. Man, I'd really like to know what the Altcover looks like on that comic book that I bought on Kickstarter. [00:22:43] Speaker B: You didn't get it? [00:22:45] Speaker A: I'm just saying it'd be really cool to know what it looks like and get to see it hasn't arrived yet. I'm so sad. Yeah. I mean, I have the main cover. [00:22:55] Speaker B: It was supposed to be taken care of. I have no control over that, but it was supposed to be taken care of. [00:23:00] Speaker A: Oh, I see. Okay. Show me the love. [00:23:03] Speaker B: We've had that conversation. [00:23:06] Speaker A: I get it. So I called it out on the podcast. [00:23:09] Speaker B: Yeah, he's not going to hear it. [00:23:12] Speaker A: I know. That's why it's a safe space. Safe space for you and I. This is true. We know the co host of Narrative Gunslingers will never, ever listen to this podcast. [00:23:23] Speaker B: It's true and sad. He won't. [00:23:25] Speaker A: Just like the patriarch. Co patriarch of the Mothership. [00:23:31] Speaker B: Yes. [00:23:32] Speaker A: Of the Spoiler verse. [00:23:34] Speaker B: The voice of Cthulhu. [00:23:35] Speaker A: John will never, ever come on this podcast. [00:23:38] Speaker B: Oh, not the voice of. Yes. Yes, Father. [00:23:42] Speaker A: Once again, John has failed to appear. [00:23:45] Speaker B: He said he was going to be here this week. [00:23:47] Speaker A: He's failed to appear, starting. I'm just wondering if he ever. Does he even know what we do? [00:23:54] Speaker B: No, I don't think so. But he keeps saying yes. Like, can we do? [00:24:00] Speaker A: I don't. I don't know. Well, I think we should get into Scooby Doo Apocalypse. [00:24:04] Speaker B: All right. [00:24:04] Speaker A: The main cover you were talking about has the Scooby team. [00:24:09] Speaker B: Yep. [00:24:10] Speaker A: A little bit different. They look modernized, but we got Daphne with a big gun. We got, let's see, Fred with his tribal tattoo and another hairdryer gun thing and a. That the. Is that the bugaloo zapper? Yeah, the Bonita Bazaar would shoot the Bugaloos with. [00:24:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:29] Speaker A: And now I've just lost our one listener because they're like, what are the bugaloos? [00:24:33] Speaker B: Yeah, it's okay. Don't worry. They'll come back for something else. [00:24:38] Speaker A: And then we've got a shaggy looking. [00:24:41] Speaker B: Like he's going to pour us a coffee or get us a craft beer. [00:24:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Or he went to evergreen. [00:24:49] Speaker B: Hey, now that's close to home. [00:24:52] Speaker A: Well, yeah. [00:24:54] Speaker B: What? [00:24:55] Speaker A: When the shoe fits? [00:24:57] Speaker B: I look nothing like him. Although, I mean. Oh, God, I do. [00:25:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, anyway, and then we've got Velma down there with her classic. Not classic glasses, but big glasses and a game controller and summoning. And then Scooby's wearing this flying. [00:25:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:17] Speaker A: Scooby's wearing this eyeglass thing. And a whole bunch of emojis are coming out of him. That's. [00:25:23] Speaker B: Are they emojis or are they dog emojis? So they're demojis. [00:25:28] Speaker A: I think they're supposed to be. I don't know. It's how he talks. [00:25:32] Speaker B: He talks as an emojis. [00:25:34] Speaker A: Well, we've got some Altcovers too. Featuring Daphne and Fred and Scooby and Shaggy and so. [00:25:43] Speaker B: Yep. [00:25:43] Speaker A: Cute how they did that. I only have one cover, so I did not buy all six covers. [00:25:48] Speaker B: Or got. I got the one with the team cover. [00:25:55] Speaker A: We start the comic, interestingly enough, in Paris and Velma's standing on a balcony and she throws this green vial out into the world. [00:26:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:08] Speaker A: And says she hopes this will save the world. Okay, that's a little interesting. It's such a departure from Velma. [00:26:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Because she's usually just kind of, like, this is her being in the forefront. And usually she's so background, I can't find my glasses. Yeah. I mean, she's comic relief and solving the Mystery and solving the. She's. She's doing everything. But in the background, she's like, oh, I got this. [00:26:41] Speaker A: But here's Velma initiating the plot of the story which is very different. [00:26:45] Speaker B: Very different. [00:26:46] Speaker A: And I love it. I love first page. I think I read the first page, like, three times. When I got the book the first time. I'm like, okay, this is going to be different. So we get into the story and we've got Giffin on plot and breakdowns and Mateus on dialogue and more dialogue as their partnership sends to go. Howard Porter on pencil and inks and hi Fi on color. Nick J. Knapp on Letters. Brittany Holzer, assistant editor. And Marie Javins, sorry, editor. And it says, based on a concept by Jim Lee. And so we've got some great artists. They went all out on this. Got Neil Adams on variant covers. [00:27:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:34] Speaker A: We got Neil Adams and Alex Sinclair doing a variant Jones. [00:27:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:40] Speaker A: Wow. Okay. I mean, when's the last time you had Neil Adams and Joel Jones doing variant covers on a book together? Yeah, I'm sure they'd get along great. [00:27:53] Speaker B: I can only imagine the conversations. [00:27:55] Speaker A: I can imagine the conversation. All right, well, we get back and we've got Fred and Daphne together and they look like they're at a big festival. [00:28:07] Speaker B: It looks like Burning Man. [00:28:09] Speaker A: Oh, I've never been to the. [00:28:14] Speaker B: Joking. [00:28:16] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. Now that I'm looking. [00:28:17] Speaker B: Okay, it looks like the Burning Man. [00:28:22] Speaker A: And they're kind of sparring at each other and Fred's complaining and making fun of Daphne. And we get into the next page and we discover that Daphne is Fred's camera. Sorry, backwards. Fred is Daphne's camera person. And Daphne had a show where she did Mystery Daphne Blake's mysterious mysteries. And it's been demoted to some other channel. [00:28:49] Speaker B: The Knitting Channel. [00:28:50] Speaker A: The Knitting Channel at 04:00 a.m. Is that right? Yeah. Brilliant. [00:28:55] Speaker B: It's a perfect time to watch it. [00:28:57] Speaker A: And so she's at Burning man trying to create her next masterpiece. Yeah, the knitting Channel. [00:29:04] Speaker B: There's always something to see there. [00:29:06] Speaker A: So we've got a washed up shock TV journalist and their camera person. And then we flip scenes and they're Headed off. And we have a familiar looking pup. [00:29:19] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:29:21] Speaker A: And a Shaggy. [00:29:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:24] Speaker A: With a November Shaggy movember. [00:29:29] Speaker B: Shaggy. [00:29:30] Speaker A: Fitting November Shaggy. And. Yeah, very fitting. [00:29:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:34] Speaker A: And Scooby. It's clearly Scooby because he says, rut row rut rhetor. So I'm going to do such a bad Scooby Doo through all this, but it's going to be great. So they're chatting and he talks about a headset. Putting a headset on him. Says he's going to stand up, like, stand out like a sore thumb. And so they can communicate better. And they look around and he goes ahead and puts the headset on him anyway. [00:30:02] Speaker B: Yeah, because look around, he won't be the weirdo. [00:30:09] Speaker A: And so what we learn is that when the sunglasses are on or glasses are on, it shows emojis. So both Scooby can communicate through words. Pretty simple phrases and sentences. But also Shaggy can see what Scooby's feeling when they're walking around so they know they're hungry. So he offers him, like, Indian food and all sorts of things. And they settle on pizza after that. Yeah. Which makes sense. I think my dog would agree on that. Yeah, it's the reparoni pizza. So they head off to get their pizza and then we flip and we get introduced to Velma for the first time. [00:30:52] Speaker B: Hey. [00:30:53] Speaker A: And they're at a lab and they're tracking Shaggy. [00:30:58] Speaker B: He's out. [00:30:59] Speaker A: And they are complaining about Shaggy going out and taking the dog out with him again. And Velma's trying to sneak around and get out of there, it looks like carrying some clipboard. And she starts her own monologue as she's running and comments on her own monologue, which is beautiful. [00:31:21] Speaker B: True. [00:31:21] Speaker A: She doesn't want any of these goons following her. Very Velma speak, if I might say. Yeah, great job scripting that piece. I love that. And I love how the scripting sometimes references, like, the TV show too. You get nice touches. Like, if one of those goons is following me, very nice touches to the original characters. Even though they're doing different things with them. [00:31:43] Speaker B: They're slightly different but they're still similar enough to make you feel just at home. [00:31:47] Speaker A: And she says her life matters a lot but she's got to clear her head and focus her mind. And she's headed out for a meeting. And there now we get a picture of Fred pacing around, being impatient for Daphne. And they're still complaining at each other about the show and arguing about everything. And things are just not going well. And then a rock pops out of the ground. And Fred throws his camera at Velma and knocks a camera. [00:32:17] Speaker B: You're a camera person, your main moneymaker. It's your camera. [00:32:23] Speaker A: And you looks at her and yells, mole people. And throws it at her. Right. So tell me, who was the first Fantastic Four villain? [00:32:35] Speaker B: The mole people. [00:32:36] Speaker A: I love that callback so much. [00:32:40] Speaker B: My second guess is the cameraman because. [00:32:47] Speaker A: That'S only for Ben Grimm. [00:32:51] Speaker B: Only a face the mother would love. [00:32:53] Speaker A: Yep. Exactly. So Velma gets knocked out and Daphne's just totally making fun of Fred because he's an. Yeah. So we flip the page, and now we get a burning man. Classic. Apparently a ripe crust, brother. Completely gluten free. I guarantee, brother, that you and your companion will love it. And they're eating a pizza that's gluten free and has no meat on it. And Scooby's not super interested for some reason. Yeah, like vegan. Fake cheese, fake meat, fake crust. Yeah. Okay, cool. Sounds like pizza. [00:33:32] Speaker B: The classic pizza. Not mean. That's the only kind of pizza I can can. [00:33:39] Speaker A: You can eat pizza with a real cheese on it. [00:33:41] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I can eat pizza with real cheese on it. I've opted to eat the. The fake cheese, fake meat pizza on the gluten free dough. [00:33:49] Speaker A: How'd that taste like? Yeah, it does smell like poop. Did you agree with Scooby's assessment? [00:33:57] Speaker B: Everything smells like poop? [00:33:58] Speaker A: Well, anyway, Scooby freaks out and starts running away. [00:34:04] Speaker B: No comment. [00:34:07] Speaker A: And Scooby's blitzing away. And we find Dr. Dinkley on the ground. And Velma's getting woken up. Fred's very good at waking people up. He taps them on the know, no water or anything. [00:34:20] Speaker B: Hey, you. [00:34:22] Speaker A: Sorry. [00:34:24] Speaker B: In this face. I hit you with that camera. [00:34:27] Speaker A: And Velma interrupts Fred and Daphne from arguing again. It's just, like, at this point, Fred and Daphne, WilL you please get a room? [00:34:35] Speaker B: Yeah, get a room. [00:34:37] Speaker A: We get it. Okay. And then all of a sudden, Scooby appears to protect Velma. That's what he heard. So he heard Velma getting hurt. And now Scooby's there and, yeah, Fred, he's ready. Well, Fred's not very bright. [00:34:55] Speaker B: Fred is dumb. [00:34:56] Speaker A: Werewolves look like Great Danes, apparently. [00:35:02] Speaker B: With a monocle. Like, an eye monocle and a robot neck piece. [00:35:08] Speaker A: Well, and she says she must have read some field emanations from her glasses, perceived them as a threat. And she's telling Scooby to heal. And he goes, Roki. So Scooby just completely chills out. And here comes Fred, who's now going to be Shaggy, who's now going to be in trouble from letting Scooby off leash on top of bringing Scooby out. And then obviously, Velma's super excited to have somebody from the lab show up at her chance meeting with the journalists. Yeah, this is going really, uh. Velma is not a very good secret agent. [00:35:46] Speaker B: No, she's not. I have to say, though, I do like that bottom panel. The two bottom panels where it's split and you get two Velma faces explaining it to everybody. [00:35:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I like that a lot too. [00:35:59] Speaker B: Yeah, it just looks really. [00:36:00] Speaker A: Are you saying Howard Porter is really good at his job? [00:36:03] Speaker B: Yes. [00:36:07] Speaker A: Moral of the story is Howard Porter is a really good artist. You know what else I like about this book? Just as a side note, let's return the page. I think in the past, way back. Gosh, I'm going to have to go back up and look at the episode number. But way back when we did the Justice League issue with the fight between Blue Beetle and Guy Gardner. [00:36:28] Speaker B: Yes. [00:36:29] Speaker A: It was a world where the characters were there. Right. But we commented a lot in that episode about Giffin and Mateus taking characters that were not used a lot. Like, they didn't try to keep Batman in the book, for example. Like, they took a blue beetle and a booster and Guy Gardner and fire and ice and. [00:36:48] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:36:49] Speaker A: Other characters that weren't being written a lot. And so they could create stories for them and script them in a way that made them real and unique. I think the fun thing about doing the Scooby gang in this way is they could apply that to this book as well. [00:37:02] Speaker B: Yeah. You could get them in a different. Put them in a couple different roles that aren't the norm for each one of these characters. [00:37:12] Speaker A: And since the Scooby characters in the cartoon at least were very two dimensional. Right. It's easy for Demeteus and the scripting to give them a third. [00:37:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:21] Speaker A: And build based on as. Again, it was plot breakdowns and scripting. Right. So Giffen's plotting this out, and then Demeteus is delivering it masterfully with the script as a writing partnership. They can really build depth of these characters that we haven't seen before. [00:37:36] Speaker B: Developing the characters even more than we'd already known them to be and develop. [00:37:41] Speaker A: Them into this conceptual story. Right. So we're building it in. Well, so now we get. And giving them all sort of plausible backgrounds that I could believe. Right. We had no idea how these. You don't know how they get together in the cartoon. I just assumed they were all smoking pot and dropping acid in a van one day and just ended up solving mysteries together. [00:38:01] Speaker B: I thought that they were, like, two roommates and a friend going from school or something like that. And they picked up a hitchhiker and his dog. [00:38:12] Speaker A: And where did Velma come from? They were dropped, clearly. Like, I didn't think this is a child. But they were clearly dropping acid and smoking a lot of pot and headed onto a hippie commune and then decided to start solving mysteries together. [00:38:23] Speaker B: No, I thought Daphne and Velma were roommates and Fred was their friend from college. [00:38:29] Speaker A: Friend? Had a car friend. [00:38:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:31] Speaker A: The mystery machine. [00:38:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:34] Speaker A: Right. Do you think they named it the mystery machine because they used to solve mysteries or is it because of the cadre of drugs in the back? [00:38:41] Speaker B: Well, I mean, I was like a kid. [00:38:43] Speaker A: I don't mean Scooby was always hungry. [00:38:47] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know what I thought at the time. [00:38:50] Speaker A: And a big cloud came out of the back. Well, yeah. As a kid, I didn't like the show, man. [00:38:54] Speaker B: Hibachi. [00:38:55] Speaker A: As a kid, I didn't like the show at all. [00:38:57] Speaker B: So there you go, COoking things. [00:39:01] Speaker A: Well, they're just driving around, solving. Were the. They were kids too, but they weren't kids because they were driving around the country in a van together. [00:39:12] Speaker B: You're asking a lot of questions, Dan. [00:39:15] Speaker A: Well, anyway, I was just establishing that there was a lot of fertile ground for the writers to play with here to develop some fun characters. So now we can get into this, and, yeah, they're in there, and they're learning about Project Elysium. [00:39:31] Speaker B: Elysium. [00:39:31] Speaker A: Okay, we'll go with Elysium for now until I change my mind. [00:39:35] Speaker B: It sounds like the movie Elysium with Matt Damon. Matt Damon. [00:39:40] Speaker A: Matt Damon. Okay. Yeah. Hey, the dogs are here. [00:39:46] Speaker B: The dogs. Oh, my gosh. [00:39:48] Speaker A: I got the dogs on this podcast and my phone. [00:39:50] Speaker B: I'll be right back. [00:39:51] Speaker A: All in one podcast. There's delivery. [00:39:54] Speaker B: I'll be right back. [00:39:55] Speaker A: It's DiGiorno. Well, Greg's headed out of here, and I'll go ahead and give us a little bit more analysis on this page before Greg gets back. So basically, we're in Project Elysium, and Velma is explaining what we're going to do with the project here, noting it's a privately funded piece concerned about ultimate survival of the human race. And so they're working on some sort of project to save humanity, apparently. And Shaggy keeps talking about how the fact that he doesn't know anything about this safe zone or any place they're going into, but Shaggy, as it's pointed out by Velma, is just a dog trainer. And then they start getting in the records, and Daphne starts making fun of Shaggy for his name being Norville, and maybe that's why he's called Shaggy. So what we're finding out is Shaggy is extremely gifted with animals, but not much else, so not too much anything going on in there. So now we start getting into this, and they start talking about nanites. And, of course, Greg, I was just saying we get to talk about nanites on this page. [00:41:06] Speaker B: Nanites. [00:41:07] Speaker A: Nanites. Back from the best episode with Wesley Crusher on Next Gen Ever, right? Yeah, of course. The nanites are back. Awesome. [00:41:17] Speaker B: Nanites back doing nanite things. [00:41:21] Speaker A: And they're like, nanites aren't those microscopic machines? We find out, and Velma clarifies, hey. Correct. And these particular machines root unseen in their human host, transforming them. And then into what? And they don't know exactly. Nanites infect us. Oh, wait. Is OMAC going to appear? [00:41:43] Speaker B: Maybe. When it gets down to it, it's a DC book. [00:41:48] Speaker A: Anything could be OMAC. We could have some OMAC. [00:41:51] Speaker B: That actually be awesome. [00:41:53] Speaker A: I can't wait for issue four when Superman guest stars. [00:41:56] Speaker B: Shut up. Don't get my hopes up. [00:41:58] Speaker A: It's going to be so great. It's going to be, like, in the. Is it third episode issue of us one when Spider man shows up. [00:42:04] Speaker B: Yeah, or when Midnighter shows up. [00:42:06] Speaker A: I don't think Midnighter is going to show up. Well, he could come through a door if he remembers how to use them. [00:42:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:11] Speaker A: Well, anyway, we keep going on with the story here, and they're in the safe zone again. And now they start talking about Scooby's origin. And what we find out is Scooby was a failure in the project. And this gets Shaggy and Velma into a fight. [00:42:26] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:42:27] Speaker A: And they're talking about how he was the first dog they experimented on. And they were trying to create a talking dog and everything. And then we find out Scooby's origin. Or not yet. We will find out Scooby's origin. Sorry. But we find out that he was a failure. And Shaggy sticks up for him. So Scooby gets to stick around for a while. And now they're, of course, into another high security area. And now they venture down into a. It looks like a bomb shelter. Like they've created some sort of magical living room. And they say, welcome to the heart of Project Elysium. Elysium. Did I get it right? Elysium. Okay. [00:43:06] Speaker B: Elysium. [00:43:07] Speaker A: Welcome to the Safe zone. And Shaggy goes, Zoinks. And she says, that's one way of putting it. So they head down into the safe. You know, these panels are cool. [00:43:20] Speaker B: Yeah, they are cool. [00:43:21] Speaker A: I like the little six panel grids. But I like the angularity of them, especially as they're exploring with the camera. [00:43:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:27] Speaker A: And they start talking, and Velma's still talking in code. Original intent, urge of violence. And she says, it's balLooned. The project. It's ballooned considerably. Yeah. And Daphne digs in. Okay. According to these documents you just handed me, I all sound like the journalist expert. She was one of the team that dispersed the tech virus from key points on the planet. London, Paris, Mumbai, Moscow, Beijing. The nanites were self replicating, spreading quickly to every corner of the globe. So that's what she was doing in Paris. [00:44:00] Speaker B: Oh, no. Dastardly troublemaker. [00:44:03] Speaker A: And she notes that they weren't just weeding out the negatives in human nature. They were breeding a sort of passivity, like, making a passive populace. Oh, and now, uh oh. It's talking about their pure motives. And then Daphne drops the H bomb as Hitler felt that way. And that's where we're at now. We've got a fight between the scientists and the journalists, which always goes well. [00:44:27] Speaker B: Yep. Of course. [00:44:28] Speaker A: Well, then, if we find out that the virus is still dormant and it won't activate until the four, and only four, key in an activation protocol. So now we find out, eerily enough, in a comic book written in 2016 that there's a dormant virus out in the world ready to be activated. [00:44:47] Speaker B: I know as I'm reading this, they're like, what's going to. [00:44:52] Speaker A: Yeah, great. [00:44:54] Speaker B: Forcing people to become docile. [00:44:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Slaves to their government. [00:44:59] Speaker B: Whoa, man. [00:45:01] Speaker A: QAnon must have read this for their marching orders, their response to the virus. Look at this, Scooby Apocalypse played out. Exactly. [00:45:09] Speaker B: It's exactly what we knew. Oh, man. They knew. [00:45:14] Speaker A: They knew. I had forgotten how much of QAnon's theory was right here. [00:45:21] Speaker B: They just sat there and they reread all these books and then they just kept sending it out. [00:45:28] Speaker A: Well, we keep moving on. And she talks about following orders and this is not going too well. And start asking about doing things and stopping things. And Fred says, well, daf, looks like you got your big story. You were looking. It's too bad. The world as we know it's going to end. And then she just punches him in the face. [00:45:50] Speaker B: Cronk. [00:45:51] Speaker A: All right, now we're resorting to violence. Awesome. [00:45:54] Speaker B: That's what happens when stressful situations, man. [00:45:57] Speaker A: And then we get sirens and they're all down there. [00:46:02] Speaker B: The Glaxons are ringing. [00:46:04] Speaker A: Yeah. Doors close. The nanites, they've been activated. [00:46:07] Speaker B: Shoot. [00:46:08] Speaker A: But you said that only the four could do that. And she says, that's right. Then how? I don't know. We've got 1000 failsafes in place to prevent this very thing. Like all good mad scientists do. But the failsafes fail. [00:46:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:22] Speaker A: And she said, maybe not the activation protocols. Maybe it's just a malfunction, a glitch. We know all about those glitches when it comes to viruses. [00:46:31] Speaker B: Yes. [00:46:33] Speaker A: And Shaggy's like, maybe you could turn off the alarm. She's like, yeah, deafness will be the least of our problems. Velma gets into it and the lights go out. Oh, no. And now we get to a last page and everybody outside of the safe zone and Burning man has become monster Mash Man. [00:46:55] Speaker B: No. I hope somebody has a cell phone. [00:46:59] Speaker A: And they're in trouble. [00:47:01] Speaker B: Yeah, they're in trouble. [00:47:02] Speaker A: Apocalypse right now. So you sort of got the first cover. They're not fighting the monsters yet. But you do get the monsters by the end of the story. [00:47:10] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a lot of monster action. [00:47:13] Speaker A: We got a little creature from the Black Lagoon action here. [00:47:17] Speaker B: Get a werewolf. Got, like, a mummy. Demons. Yeah, like a zombie looking thing. [00:47:28] Speaker A: And they're not playing well together. [00:47:30] Speaker B: No, they're not. It's an all out brawl and something that remotely. [00:47:35] Speaker A: We got an alien back behind werewolf. We got an alien. [00:47:39] Speaker B: Yeah, there's a lot of different stuff in alien. [00:47:42] Speaker A: The movie was Sigourney Weaver alien Face. [00:47:44] Speaker B: Exactly. Yes. [00:47:45] Speaker A: Oh, this is. Yeah. And then we get story two. [00:47:50] Speaker B: Story. [00:47:51] Speaker A: Two stories for the price of one. [00:47:54] Speaker B: I love two stories for the price. [00:47:55] Speaker A: Of when Shaggy met Scooby. We do get the. This is by Giff and Davidus importer again with Travis Lanham on letters. And Brittany holes are editing in Marie Jarvis Javins. Sorry. Not Jarvis. Sorry. Marie. Marie Javins steering the mystery machine as the editor. Okay. Three years ago to the complex. Yeah. Hey, you got it. Three years ago. Why don't you take this story? [00:48:19] Speaker B: Oh, no, I can't do it justice as you do. [00:48:23] Speaker A: Oh, I'm sure you Just hit the three years ago. [00:48:26] Speaker B: No, I can do those. [00:48:28] Speaker A: Oh. I just have to summarize things. I'm sure everybody loves listening to all of my summaries, but you do them so well, Dan. Well, we have a giant splash page here with Shaggy and a scientist. And we've got Shaggy coming in saying, hey, I'm a low rent dog trainer. Landing a gig working in a place that develops super tech for the military is never going to seem mundane. Always a good way to support your life. Maybe they have very comfortable. [00:48:51] Speaker B: Well, they look comfortable. [00:48:53] Speaker A: Shaggy shoes. [00:48:55] Speaker B: Maybe Shaggy shoes don't look comfortable, but the other dude's shoes look pretty comfortable. [00:49:00] Speaker A: Yeah, he has scientee shoes. Shaggy has, like. He has the exact shoes that you expect him to be wearing with those jeans. [00:49:06] Speaker B: Okay, why does Shaggy look like Shaggy looks like in the last story, he looks like he came out of a coffee house. In this story, he's looking more. [00:49:20] Speaker A: Well, he had a few years to grow out that he had a few years to grow out that mustache. I think we get the second page, though. Yeah. He just hasn't grown out the full mustache. Think. [00:49:29] Speaker B: Okay, gotcha. [00:49:31] Speaker A: So the scientist is talking to Shaggy. Shaggy's not making much sense of it, but he's talking about his canine IQ. So his keen ability to work with dogs as opposed to people. And they're kind of discussing that or. [00:49:45] Speaker B: Being in the Burger King. [00:49:47] Speaker A: Yeah, makes sense. And they start heading in, and there goes Dr. Dinkley walking by. So there goes ask Shaggy. Asks if that's a big wig around here. And the other doctor says, yeah, based on the way she treats everyone. Yeah, we're giving precious little information about matters above our pay grade. Sounds like a crazy mad scientist layer to me. [00:50:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:11] Speaker A: So they head to a big place with a paw print on it. This is canines this way. [00:50:15] Speaker B: Oh, canines this way. [00:50:17] Speaker A: And they head over to the kennel, and we see a whole bunch of mean dogs. [00:50:24] Speaker B: And they got all their glasses on and their robot warrior Mecca attached to them. And then a dog with nothing. [00:50:35] Speaker A: And then there's some bigger dogs, and there's a little tiny dog down in the middle. [00:50:41] Speaker B: Little scrapper. [00:50:43] Speaker A: A little scrap. Yeah, he seems like a scrapper. [00:50:47] Speaker B: Well, yeah. [00:50:48] Speaker A: So anyway, we start to get a dog fight. And the dogs go. Start taking after Scooby. And one bites his leg and not. Okay. Scooby's just trying to run away. And Shaggy steps in and tells the other dogs to back the hell off and makes them go. And the dogs listen to him. He's an alpha, apparently, in the way he talks to dogs. [00:51:11] Speaker B: All this reminds me of Jurassic World. Chris Pratt going into the enclosure with blue and the rest of the Raptors. [00:51:22] Speaker A: Yeah, it does. [00:51:25] Speaker B: I'm sure that was the whole inspirational layup. [00:51:30] Speaker A: I don't know when was the. I wonder what the. [00:51:32] Speaker B: Around the same time. Or it was, like, a little bit earlier than this is when that movie came out. And my comment was that he had a Chris Pratt look to him. But then all I can think of right now is Chris Pratt looking like Garfield stuffed in a Luigi costume. [00:51:51] Speaker A: Yeah, he does have a Chris Pratt look to him, though. [00:51:53] Speaker B: Is he going to be Luigi or Mario? I can't remember. Mario. Mario. [00:51:57] Speaker A: Oh, geez. Well, I won't worry about that. But he does have definitely a Chris Pat Pratt look to. [00:52:02] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And then the whole, like, back. That. That whole movement thing is very. [00:52:12] Speaker A: Well, we've got. There he is. And he saves Scooby. Scooby goes back to his corner cowers and they're like, we should have destroyed. Had this poor creature destroyed months ago, death could certainly be preferable to this. He's like, I'll write up the order. And they're like. And Shaggy's like, I'm not killing my new friend. So, yeah, that's how this goes. And this is. [00:52:37] Speaker B: He's. Now he's like, Shaggy the dog whisperer. And he's got a dog and mean dogs. [00:52:45] Speaker A: He's got mean dogs, but he's got a dog friend for life. His buddy Scooby. He saved his life, Scoobs. He went to a shelter, and he. [00:52:53] Speaker B: Should have read his contract a little bit better, because obviously, yeah, he gets. [00:52:58] Speaker A: Talking dogs, and he can be disemboweled. And that's okay. There's no insurance for that. No insurance for disembowelment. [00:53:05] Speaker B: But, hey, we can get a beer later. [00:53:07] Speaker A: It's all gOod. [00:53:08] Speaker B: Tea for teen. [00:53:09] Speaker A: Sorry. Jeez. Well, we go to the next page, and that's it. [00:53:15] Speaker B: That's it. [00:53:16] Speaker A: We get a advertisement for DC Universe Rebirth. [00:53:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, this is a little. Know, a couple years. Five, six. [00:53:27] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. Well, you know how old it is because. Do you see one of the artists on. [00:53:35] Speaker B: Hold on. [00:53:36] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think that person will be working for DC Comics anytime soon. [00:53:40] Speaker B: No. [00:53:41] Speaker A: Especially with Phil Jimenez in the same. Without calling the person's name because they don't deserve any of my attention. Yeah, I bet Phil Jimenez just loved that working relationship. [00:53:56] Speaker B: Probably. They're probably. Ugh. This is not ideal. [00:54:02] Speaker A: Yeah, that's fun. Gosh, I just can't believe that person worked for the company that long. Well, anyway. [00:54:10] Speaker B: Well, I mean, it was a different time. No, it must have been right when that was. [00:54:16] Speaker A: No, it was right around the time of starting. [00:54:21] Speaker B: It was around the time of the beginning of. [00:54:27] Speaker A: All the stupidity. [00:54:28] Speaker B: All the stupidity of the stuff. And then you start to see people. [00:54:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Then you find out. Gross. [00:54:39] Speaker B: Okay, I will say I'm excited to find out what happens in Scooby Apocalypse number two. [00:54:46] Speaker A: Yeah, let's stay focused on the happy. [00:54:48] Speaker B: Thoughts because the lights went out. But what happened? What's going on outside? Are they stuck in the safe place, or do they have to leave? They have to leave. Of course. It's just what has to happen. [00:55:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess it was 2018 when that rolled. [00:55:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:08] Speaker A: Okay, well, fun. We get a spotlight on Green Lantern, so we find out about Jessica Cruz and Simon Baz at the back end. Someday we're going to do a Jessica Cruz story because she's my favorite. [00:55:20] Speaker B: Cool. [00:55:21] Speaker A: And, yeah, I think we're good for issue one. I guess that means we have to do more Scooby, because we can't just end with the world turning into a bunch of monsters by nanites. [00:55:32] Speaker B: No, we can't. Maybe next time we'll tackle two. Not just number two, but we'll tackle two books. [00:55:39] Speaker A: Well, to your point, like, when I was asking if we should do two today. You said one and I did. Forget it was a double story. There are a lot of double stories in these, but they're not all 36 Pages. [00:55:49] Speaker B: Yeah, I saw the page count and I was like, ooh, this is a lot. It's a bigger, chunky book. We'll see. [00:55:57] Speaker A: Yeah, the book's a lot of fun. [00:55:59] Speaker B: Yeah, it was a fun read. It was a nice re envisionment of childhood favorites, or at least for some of us, not for you, but a good way for you that wasn't into these characters as a child as much as others, to go, oh, I could give them a shot now. They're different. [00:56:21] Speaker A: I love this book. It's a fun read, and it just shows how you take some veteran writers and give them a concept and let them run. [00:56:33] Speaker B: Yeah. And see where the day takes you. [00:56:37] Speaker A: Yeah, it's phenomenal. It's great. I don't know what else to say. I just keep saying it's great. It's phenomenal. It's great. It's phenomenal. [00:56:46] Speaker B: I think that's what happens when you find a fun book like this that you're not expecting. You don't set the bar super high because you know what the base material is. And then you go into something like this and you're, oh, wow, all the art looks really good. All these panel layouts are really superb. I'm not expecting that. It's a feast for the eyes, obviously. I know that the scripting is going to be good, the story is going to be good, but I didn't think they could take the source material and make it this. So it's a nice breakaway from the previous few months of stuff we've been reading. It's light and it's airy, but what do you expect when you're checking out Scooby Doo? [00:57:40] Speaker A: Well, I hope so. And it's serious and it's going to get more fun. [00:57:45] Speaker B: It's going to be both serious and fun. Oh, no. [00:57:49] Speaker A: Well, you should expect it. [00:57:51] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, I suppose. Well, cool. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens next time we chat. [00:58:03] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that should put a wrap on it this time, so, yeah, we'll roll. [00:58:08] Speaker B: Till next time. [00:58:11] Speaker A: We'll be back. Till next time. When we come back to funny book forensics. [00:58:19] Speaker B: That where I'm going to end it. I'm hitting the stop button now. Unless there's something else you're going to say. Are you saying something else? Are you going to say something else now? No.