Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:00:01] Speaker B: Click.
[00:00:02] Speaker A: Click.
Click.
[00:00:08] Speaker B: Louder. Clicking.
Louder.
[00:00:10] Speaker A: Clicking.
[00:00:11] Speaker B: Click like the Hulk would click.
You can't click like the Hulk would click because you wouldn't have a keyboard left.
[00:00:19] Speaker A: I clicked the mount. I'm on a different keyboard now, Dan.
[00:00:24] Speaker B: Well, the Hulk would still destroy the keyboard. Like, what, you going to put your giant Hulk finger straight into the keyboard?
[00:00:30] Speaker A: Yeah. No, I'm not. No. Not gonna click like the Hulk would click.
[00:00:36] Speaker B: I think that would be awesome. I should click like the Hulk would click.
[00:00:38] Speaker A: As you want to feel. You feel like you want to, but you realize you shouldn't.
[00:00:42] Speaker B: I think sometimes I do click like the Hulk would click. How do you know how I. You don't know how.
[00:00:45] Speaker A: I don't know how you click.
[00:00:47] Speaker B: You have no idea how I click.
This is what the world is coming to. No one understands each other because they don't understand how each other clicks.
[00:00:57] Speaker A: That's true. People click in weird different ways sometimes.
[00:01:04] Speaker B: If people would just click together, the world would be a better place together.
[00:01:09] Speaker A: But sometimes people clack.
[00:01:11] Speaker B: In fact, no, they don't clack. Clacking is allowed.
[00:01:15] Speaker A: Clacking is not allowed.
Not allowed.
Illegal.
[00:01:20] Speaker B: No. Because if you click, if you click, you can buy a world of coke and sing in perfect harmony.
But if you clack, you cannot sing in perfect harmony.
[00:01:33] Speaker A: What happens if you clack?
[00:01:36] Speaker B: And that's jazz.
[00:01:38] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:01:41] Speaker B: I don't like where this is going.
[00:01:43] Speaker A: Just asking for a friend.
[00:01:46] Speaker B: That's fine. Just click and just go. You know, it's click. Whatever.
[00:01:51] Speaker A: It's clicking.
[00:01:52] Speaker B: Welcome to Funny Book Forensics, where we talk about. And clacking, clacking.
And famous pitchers from the 1989 Oakland A's, Eric Plunk and Joe Klink.
[00:02:08] Speaker A: Yes. That's all we're going to do today. Just talk about them. So thanks for joining us on Funny Book Forensics.
[00:02:16] Speaker B: If your name is Plunk and you're a pitcher, does that mean you're gonna hit a lot of batters?
[00:02:19] Speaker A: It might.
[00:02:20] Speaker B: I mean, I just feel like naturally plunking them.
[00:02:23] Speaker A: Plunk, plunk, plunk. Just like those, like a fuzzy cat things at the fair. You know, you just. The plunks you can't hit.
Nobody can do it. I mean, it's set up so that you can't. Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a two by four attached to the back of them to hold them up so they don't actually fall over. You can hit those things pretty hard and they never fall over.
[00:02:47] Speaker B: It's a trap.
Well, we're here to discuss a Book. A book that has pages and pictures. Pages and pictures and words in bubbles in a bubble.
Because that's what we do at Funnybook Forensics.
And we also have friends or professional acquaintances. Friends. Yes.
[00:03:16] Speaker A: Some. Some friends. Some. Well, for your friends, too, Dan.
[00:03:22] Speaker B: I don't think so. I think so.
[00:03:23] Speaker A: But you've hung out with some of the most. Some. Some.
[00:03:27] Speaker B: A few.
[00:03:28] Speaker A: A handful of them.
[00:03:30] Speaker B: Wow. Yeah.
What would it be like? It's the Greg show. And always is Dan. It's Dan. And always is. Is. Is Dan. Is Dan. I can't even say things.
[00:03:44] Speaker A: And with him, as always.
[00:03:47] Speaker B: You know, the sad part is, I think we're gonna release the show after the Grid City Comic Con, which we should have been advertising on the other.
[00:03:53] Speaker A: Side of the show.
[00:03:54] Speaker B: But you're doing. You. You did a good job advertising it on our social media.
[00:03:57] Speaker A: I did, didn't I?
[00:03:58] Speaker B: Ha ha.
[00:03:59] Speaker A: I snuck it in there. Yeah, Nikki.
[00:04:02] Speaker B: And. And of course, we're. We're. We. We have support from a place called project-nerd.com.
[00:04:10] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:04:10] Speaker B: Sometimes they like to, like, promote our podcast. It's cool.
I don't know if they like to.
[00:04:19] Speaker A: I mean, they do think they.
[00:04:21] Speaker B: I. I can't imagine anybody liking to promote this podcast. I mean, that's like liking to eat oatmeal or Pep.
Oh, yeah. Pep brought to you by.
[00:04:33] Speaker A: You know what's crazy?
[00:04:34] Speaker B: Pep? Kellogg's Pep sponsoring Superman. How did you.
[00:04:38] Speaker A: I was at an antique mall yesterday, and I saw a box top for it, but it was like, it was the amount of money they wanted for the very sad piece of cardboard that was left of this Pep box top was ridiculous.
[00:05:01] Speaker B: Should have talked them down.
[00:05:02] Speaker A: There's nobody there to talk down.
[00:05:03] Speaker B: Tell them your friend wanted it.
[00:05:04] Speaker A: It was one of those, like, ones with all those, like, booths that, you know, they just leave the stuff in and.
[00:05:10] Speaker B: Oh, the lost leader.
[00:05:11] Speaker A: So I was like. I was, like, walking through there. I was like, oh, Pep 75 for a tiny piece of cardboard that says PEP on it. Ann's looking at me like, I'm just dumb for holding on to this thing. And I'm like, I, I, I. I do want this, but I don't think it's. And she goes, put it back, Put it back. I'll buy you something nice.
[00:05:34] Speaker B: Ann never lets me get birthday presents.
[00:05:36] Speaker A: It. It, it, it. She said, you'll find another that won't look like it got eaten by a dog.
[00:05:45] Speaker B: That's fair.
Well, yeah, we have other friends, too, but we'll talk about them later in the Podcast, I guess.
I don't even know what Project Dash Nerd is up to.
[00:05:57] Speaker A: Oh, they're up to a lot of stuff. Like.
[00:06:00] Speaker B: Well, they're Kickstarter.
[00:06:01] Speaker A: They got a new one.
[00:06:02] Speaker B: Successfully done.
[00:06:03] Speaker A: They got a new. There's a.
[00:06:04] Speaker B: There's a new. There's a new one. That's too confusing. I can't keep track of One Land.
[00:06:10] Speaker A: There's a new one coming up. So sma. It is a re release book that they're sma.
[00:06:18] Speaker B: Sma. Ooh la la. It's a no, like the hair stuff.
[00:06:22] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, like that hair stuff. So I. It's an it.
[00:06:28] Speaker B: I'm in need of some.
[00:06:29] Speaker A: I know you are, aren't you? So you need that luscious. Luscious hair product. Now. It's a. It's. It's a female lead book, so it's. It looks like it's going to be pretty good. It's something that they had done in the past, and they're bringing it back. Revival book, if you will. So come back for a second printing.
[00:06:49] Speaker B: Okay. Not like they brought it back in Clerks 2.
[00:06:52] Speaker A: No, not like they brought it back in Clerks too.
[00:06:55] Speaker B: That's good.
That's good. That's very good.
[00:06:58] Speaker A: No, not like that.
[00:06:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
Okay, well. Okay, well, we'll post and share about that as time goes on.
We want to jump right back into the Human Target.
[00:07:13] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, we do.
[00:07:16] Speaker B: Yep. It looks like we have a. It's number eight, and eight is great. And I've got a cover.
And it looks like on the COVID that Iron man got together with the Legion of Superheroes and they made Wild Fire man.
[00:07:41] Speaker A: Because he looks like a fireman.
[00:07:44] Speaker B: Oh, no. It's like Wildfire's reflective browser. Oh, yeah.
[00:07:47] Speaker A: Okay, got it, got it. Check Visor.
[00:07:50] Speaker B: Visor. Visor. His reflective browser.
[00:07:52] Speaker A: His reflective browser.
[00:07:54] Speaker B: Browser.
[00:07:55] Speaker A: You pop it up in your Google search. Check this out. And it's like reflection.
So you've been looking up some very interesting things, Dan.
[00:08:08] Speaker B: Well, this is.
We know. This is. This is our friend Rocket Red. Dimitri, you know that.
Who is not a Manhunter, because no man defeats the Manhunters.
[00:08:23] Speaker A: No man defeats Manhunters.
[00:08:26] Speaker B: No man defeats the Manhunters. In fact, if you would, you know, take one night out of your busy life to play my DC card game, I could get the version out with the Manhunters. And then every time you played it.
[00:08:42] Speaker A: I would make you say, no man defeats the Manhunters.
No man can defeat the Manhunters.
[00:08:49] Speaker B: Well, Dan, I better check to make sure I'm Right.
[00:08:53] Speaker A: You might be in luck, because we might be sponsoring. Oh, we might be sponsoring. There will be a game night at the Retro Emporium coming up sometime soon in which you could bring a game to a Retro Emporium After Dark event and we could play it.
That's right. Open table to bring a game and play it.
[00:09:20] Speaker B: Do you know how long it takes to play my game?
[00:09:22] Speaker A: No, we can't play your game then. I'm sorry.
[00:09:28] Speaker B: I see.
[00:09:29] Speaker A: Is it, like.
[00:09:30] Speaker B: So all of that risk. All of that.
[00:09:32] Speaker A: Is it like playing a Risk or.
[00:09:35] Speaker B: No, it's like playing the dnc.
[00:09:38] Speaker A: Remember when playing Monopoly and I fell asleep at the table?
Was that life?
[00:09:43] Speaker B: I don't.
[00:09:44] Speaker A: I fell asleep. We were playing some game.
[00:09:46] Speaker B: I think that was a game of life.
[00:09:47] Speaker A: Fell asleep during a game of Life. I, like, literally fell asleep. Everybody. I was. We were playing a game with Dan and. And Paul. Lawyer Paul. And I just, like, literally, like, crashed. I fell asleep.
[00:10:01] Speaker B: I don't know. Maybe it was Monopoly. I don't think that Jiu Jitsu Lawyer Paul would play Monopoly.
[00:10:06] Speaker A: We were playing. We were. We were playing something. I just, like, I crashed. And that was. It was. It was. It was a low point in Greg's Craig's day. And it wasn't even, like.
I don't think there was anything. I mean, there was a lot of food.
[00:10:21] Speaker B: Well, maybe it's because you only sleep for, like, three hours a night.
[00:10:24] Speaker A: Hey, now that.
[00:10:27] Speaker B: Oh, I was wrong. No man escapes. No man escapes.
[00:10:30] Speaker A: The Manhunters.
[00:10:32] Speaker B: How can I mess your game take to play?
[00:10:36] Speaker A: Really?
[00:10:37] Speaker B: So in. In the game, you would be so happy because if you have the demon entry again, I make you rhyme for the entire term.
[00:10:47] Speaker A: I like that.
[00:10:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Other. I've had other people that don't enjoy this role.
[00:10:51] Speaker A: I.
I would and could play this game none the same as you see, because rhyming is something that I like for me. It's something that I know is true. It's something that you know I can do. It's something that I can do all night if I was playing this game with you.
[00:11:10] Speaker B: All right, but your turn's over right now. Enter again is in the done now, so.
Oh, God.
Why do I make rules that will hurt me? Why do I do things that will hurt me?
I feel like I just do things that will hurt me.
[00:11:26] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:11:26] Speaker B: Why.
Why do I fall into these traps?
[00:11:29] Speaker A: It's a trap.
[00:11:32] Speaker B: Oh, boy. Well, anyway, we flipped the page and we get the first. Oh, an advertisement.
[00:11:39] Speaker A: Ah.
[00:11:41] Speaker B: Mark Silvestri drawing Batman I guess I didn't read that one. All right, is it just me or do you just want. I only want Mark Sylvester on team books.
[00:11:53] Speaker A: Team books.
[00:11:57] Speaker B: I mean, it's not like his solo work is terrible, but when he draws team books, it's kind of epic.
But anyway, we flipped to the first page and Christopher Chance is where he is most of the series.
In bed.
[00:12:16] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:12:19] Speaker B: He'S with Ice again. They look like they're in the hotel room and not at Ice's house.
[00:12:24] Speaker A: Oh, it does look like the hotel because it's the comforter. Do you think that. Do you think the hotel has a king sized bed be fit for a king?
[00:12:31] Speaker B: Oh, I was going off the lamp.
[00:12:32] Speaker A: I mean, if it was a king sized bed and fit for a king. If. If he had a king. Well, I mean, she's a queen. She's royalty, so it must be ready.
[00:12:39] Speaker B: What if it was a California king and then it satisfies no one? It's not. It's bigger than a queen, but not a king and doesn't fit in the right.
[00:12:45] Speaker A: It's probably a queen size bed because she's. She's a queen.
Right, So I mean, she's like ice queen. Right, so. Or is she a nice princess?
[00:12:54] Speaker B: Well, I don't know. Then didn't she make up her whole story about being a queen as a princess?
[00:13:00] Speaker A: Technically, it's a twin size bed. Then.
[00:13:03] Speaker B: I. That would be small.
[00:13:06] Speaker A: Do you think he ever sits there and lays and wonders where his twin brother is?
[00:13:13] Speaker B: No, no, definitively no.
I was just going through comic book storylines in my head that involved twin brothers in the womb, and I was like, nope, nope. And no, no. Shitty Sex Men storyline of all time. Yep. Okay. Okay. Second. Well, at least top five. Like Scott Summer sleeping with Emma Frost in his mind still ranks number one for me. And I'm blind to like a whole like 15 years of X Men storylines too, so, you know, I'm sure there were worse ones out there. But ho.
The twin Charles Xavier twin brother womb thing. Oh my God. And then they put it in the movie, right? Then it shows that it wasn't twin brother, it was twin sister. Right, whatever.
[00:14:05] Speaker A: Just like in stories. Star Wars.
[00:14:08] Speaker B: But they put it in the third Deadpool movie to make fun of it. Right?
[00:14:11] Speaker A: I haven't seen it yet. Thanks for the spoiler.
[00:14:13] Speaker B: Oh, you're.
You've had ample time to watch this movie, Dan.
[00:14:19] Speaker A: You know how my schedule is.
[00:14:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I do. It's been months.
I do know how your schedule is. You sleep like three hours A night. Watch it one of those nights you don't sleep.
[00:14:33] Speaker A: Comfort in my own home on vhs.
[00:14:39] Speaker B: What century are you in?
[00:14:40] Speaker A: The current one. They're putting out movies on VHS again.
[00:14:49] Speaker B: Anyway, so Christopher Chance yells the F word and tells Ice to get down because somebody's shooting tranq darts at them.
We get a really cool nine panel grid of Ice getting shot with the tranq and Christopher Chance grabbing a shotgun while he recounts everything that's happening.
I will say I think the film noir version of this allows for all the dialogue there. But I have definitely been in a critical in the past of authors who put too much dialogue over beautiful art that's already explained in the scene.
[00:15:31] Speaker A: That's true.
[00:15:35] Speaker B: And nothing in this page is new for us.
[00:15:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:41] Speaker B: So if you were picking up at issue number eight in a maxi series, which is highly unlikely, this would be great. And so I admire this as if this was an off the shelf comic book. Like in issue eight, you were still trying to get readers in.
[00:15:55] Speaker A: Oh, okay, that's cool. That's what's going on.
[00:15:58] Speaker B: So I should probably not trash it too much. But I really don't like all the dialogue on that page. It just gets in the way of the beautiful Greg Smallwood art that explains the scene.
And we get the next page. Day eight.
We get. Make sure the other guy's a target too.
After all that dialogue, he's like, come on in. And we see the famous rocket red suit, but it looks like rocket red number one. I'm confused.
Well, let's find out why.
And we hear Christopher, please, will you listen? It's important for you to hear. I'm just putting a new coat of paint on armor.
I'm hoping you will not be scratching it very hard. Ah, there's Dimitri. That's the Dimitri I know. At least the dialogues, right?
And Chance fires at him and he says, this is not a good decision.
And he knocks Christopher Chance out with his repul.
His repul.
His. His repul. Hit his repul.
I don't know. Ray on his arm. Yeah, his doohickey blaster do hickey Ray. His knock you out iron. I mean, feral Rocket red. The rocket red.
Well, anyway, Christopher Chance wakes up on the floor somewhere and he's like, oh, man, something's wrong with my neck. And he smells alcohol.
He's like, he swabbed me before he put the. Put the injection in.
[00:17:52] Speaker A: Oh, that was nice.
[00:17:54] Speaker B: Yeah, it is nice.
And he wakes up and there's like pictures of little kids and little cat drawings on the refrigerator and he sees Dimitri sitting at the table.
Oh, they even. Even said Dimitri's name yet. Sorry.
Fake Iron. I mean, rocket Russian. Russian.
Russian. Iron. I mean, iron sick.
Oh. Oh. Rocket red. Rocket red.
It's Dimitri.
Anyway. And it better be.
Anyway, he's like, where's Ice? She's at the hotel.
And he's like, it'll take 12 hours to wear off. She's sleeping.
He's like, I fixed the door and put a camera there. And we'll get an alert if something bad happens.
Christopher Chance is like, jesus, what time is it? So it's after lunch, and he offers Christopher Chance hot dogs and one calorie soda.
[00:19:07] Speaker A: Very thoughtful.
[00:19:08] Speaker B: He's a thoughtful guy.
Yes. And he offers him and he asks for some drink, and they get some vodka to celebrate the occasion.
[00:19:25] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just moving right along.
[00:19:31] Speaker B: And he looks at the man with the vodka, and Christopher Chance tells him he's gonna break his neck after what he did to Ice.
And they drink a little bit, and after the threat, the guy in the rocket red armor, who I presume is Dimitri, knocks him out again.
[00:20:03] Speaker A: I like the way that it's drawn because he says, he moves so fast. I didn't see him coming. And it's all blurred in the art, and it just looks so good. It's very blurry. Fast.
[00:20:19] Speaker B: Then we get something in Russian.
Hold, please.
[00:20:25] Speaker A: Translate it.
[00:20:28] Speaker B: I will do my best, sir.
[00:20:30] Speaker A: He's going to translate it, folks. He's going to give us a translation.
[00:20:35] Speaker B: Yes, I'll do my best. I mean, I don't know.
[00:20:37] Speaker A: I do not Russian.
[00:20:38] Speaker B: I don't know Russian.
[00:20:39] Speaker A: And my neighbors that I could ask have left the neighborhood, so.
[00:20:49] Speaker B: Doesn'T appear to say anything in Russian.
Oh, wait, that's because it's such a Spanish.
[00:20:57] Speaker A: That is the best translation ever.
Oh, wow.
[00:21:01] Speaker B: Yes.
Good job. Google Translate. Way to update.
[00:21:06] Speaker A: Oh, man.
[00:21:07] Speaker B: Uh, let's go Russian. Apparently, I have to download Russian.
[00:21:10] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:21:11] Speaker B: Apparently Russian is Cheese Louise.
Okay, Russian is blocked. And now it's going Russian to Spanish. That could be fun.
[00:21:22] Speaker A: Oh, boy.
[00:21:22] Speaker B: All right.
[00:21:23] Speaker A: Russian to Spanish To English.
[00:21:25] Speaker B: Okay.
All right, what do we got here? Let's drink to the fact that we will experience as much sorrow as there are drops of wine remaining in our glasses.
Wow. All right.
[00:21:40] Speaker A: It's very deep.
[00:21:47] Speaker B: Well, he wakes up Christopher Chance. When now. Wakes up in a field with some human targets. Fake human targets next to him. Apropos dummy targets.
And he's like. It feels like there's a hand inside scratching my shirt, scratching my skull. And then he starts Cussing, because, like, stuff explodes around him.
[00:22:10] Speaker A: Bam.
[00:22:10] Speaker B: Bam.
And now the Rocket Red is standing in a field, and I guess we should read this little bit. So he says. Chance says Tolstoy had a theory about the Napoleonic wars and how Russia won. Basically, as the French invaded, the Russians engaged and quickly realized they couldn't beat Le grand army on the field. So they retreated and kept retreating. And Napoleon celebrated and pushed forward, sacking cities as he went, going so far as to take out the capital. But of the course, over the course of the winter of. But of course. Then winter headed in, and Napoleon found his supply line stretched too thin to care for his freezing army. The French, dying in the snow, started to withdraw their army, and at that point, the Russians attacked, and Napoleon, who almost conquered the world, fell from his horse and wept.
Sounds like another war to you? I feel like multiple armies have tried to invade Russia in the winter, and it didn't work, I guess. And we won't talk about Russian wars anymore on this podcast in light of current events.
But Chance notes that Russians had the courage to lose, and that's why they won.
And Dimitri holds out his hand on part of the six panel grid and says, you have done something wrong, and it's time for you to confess.
And at the bottom of the page, our Dimitri says, you think you're funny? And he says, no, I think you're stupid. And they shake hands, and Rocket Red shocks him and carries him into the sky. He wakes up and he's floating. Well, sort of floating. I don't know if this is a realistic position here. I feel like the T shirt would rip.
And Rocket Red's just holding it by the T shirt. And Christopher Chance is there up in the sky with him. And they're talking, and Chance is like, what time is it? And Rocket Red says, maybe you should get a watch.
You didn't happen to bring any of that vodka, did you? He said, Mr. Chance, where is Guy Gardner? And he's like, I have no idea.
And Rocket Red drops him and says, I do not like your answer.
And Chance falls from the sky. And while he is falling from the sky, he issues a soliloquy similar to Lois Lane flying in the sky with Superman in the first Superman movie.
And a nice summary of that soliloquy is summary of the entire book up to this point.
[00:24:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:57] Speaker B: And then Dimitri catches him again, and Chance pisses him off again. And he drops him again.
[00:25:08] Speaker A: It's a. It's. It's. It's like a game. It's a. They're just playing a big game, having a nice conversation. Right. That's, that's what I said the last time we were talking about this book. And you're like, eh.
[00:25:20] Speaker B: And then see this book. Yeah.
[00:25:22] Speaker A: And I'm like, it's just a conversation.
[00:25:23] Speaker B: It is.
Well, it's not. I mean, admittedly, it's definitely not my favorite of the series.
[00:25:31] Speaker A: Wait, even more so than Tales of the Human Target.
[00:25:37] Speaker B: I kind of like the tales.
[00:25:38] Speaker A: So when we first. Okay, just to back up, just to, just to put a pin in this for a second, listeners, dear listeners. When we hit Tales of a Human Target the first time.
[00:25:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I'm a hypocrite.
[00:25:49] Speaker A: Dan was like.
[00:25:53] Speaker B: Unlike a pot. Well, unlike a. While I need to read this one to get through the story. I felt like Tails was an add on I didn't necessarily need. And then after, like, at least this one progresses a story where Tails doesn't.
[00:26:05] Speaker A: Okay, well, no, Tales gives a explanation as to people's.
[00:26:12] Speaker B: Tails gives background information of the characters. I don't have to read to understand how the flow of the story works. This, what, this is part of the story arc. So I do need it in the story because we are getting, we are getting at least one person wondering about what happened to Guy Gardner. Right?
[00:26:28] Speaker A: One person. Nobody else cares.
[00:26:32] Speaker B: Well, I think most people don't care, but, you know, but apparently people do care because his first appearance is now selling all the time. Because one crappy Firefly actor is now like playing him in a movie.
[00:26:46] Speaker A: Oh boy.
You put, you put one person in like one person that people like as the character that nobody likes. And then everybody likes the character.
[00:26:59] Speaker B: He played Arm Fall Off Boy in Suicide Squad, remember? And they called him the Detachable Kid cuz they can't use Arm Fall Off Boy because that was written by a fucking sex offender. So we're still gonna put it in a movie. Good. And Nathan Fillion still choose to play that. And it wasn't good. It was terrible.
[00:27:20] Speaker A: I. I'm nodding along in agreeance.
[00:27:24] Speaker B: Yeah.
And now he's gonna play another terrible character.
[00:27:31] Speaker A: I hope he did does a good job playing a terrible character.
[00:27:34] Speaker B: He'll probably do a good job. You know what? I'll probably come back and be like, I really like.
[00:27:38] Speaker A: I mean, he does, he does it.
[00:27:39] Speaker B: It's just again, we discussed this with Guy Gardner. It's like how at this point in the character's history, he's not an anti hero. Right. Like there are, there are people that have written him as an antihero or pseudo likable or as that good old Trump guy, you know, like, I'm just a misunderstood good old boy, but generally good guy at heart. No, fuck that. Like, if you, if you mentally abuse women, you're bad guys. If you hit them, you are not a good guy. And hopefully, if you rape porn stars while you're married, you're not a good guy.
[00:28:22] Speaker A: And hopefully Fillion can bring that type of that character to light.
[00:28:34] Speaker B: Oh, how wonderful. You know what? Yes, That's. You know what? I get it. Like, yeah, I mean, he's used to playing characters that are best friends with prostitutes. Yeah, it's.
[00:28:44] Speaker A: I'm saying, I.
I'm saying if he.
Maybe people won't be like, oh, hey, cool, he's playing this guy. He's playing Guy Gardner. That's, you know, and they'll go, oh, wow, no, Guy Gardner's piece of shit.
[00:29:01] Speaker B: Well, I hope so. I mean, I hope that's how they.
[00:29:03] Speaker A: Because, I mean, he's. He is a good actor that can.
He's. He's got layers, man.
[00:29:09] Speaker B: Is. He is.
[00:29:11] Speaker A: I mean, I like. I like 75% of the things that he's in.
[00:29:18] Speaker B: I know I'm in disagreement.
[00:29:20] Speaker A: I'm not saying I like 100% he's done, but I like 75% of this.
[00:29:24] Speaker B: All right, let's. Let's. You know what? We're going to do a quick interlude and let's do the. Let's prove Dan wrong thing again. So we're going to look up Nathan Fillion and I'm going to see everything he was in. So you can make fun of me because I never know who anybody is. And we're going to see all the things that he was in. Noting, I think, Fireflies quite possibly one of the most overrated shows in the history of television.
Oh, he was in Serenity. Is that something like Firefly?
[00:29:52] Speaker A: Dan?
[00:29:54] Speaker B: I was joking.
That was a joke.
[00:30:00] Speaker A: That was a joke.
[00:30:02] Speaker B: I am well aware that Serenity is the movie we got because they didn't keep doing Firefly.
I am. I am aware of that. Let's see. I am on the IMDb's right now.
Okay, Personal details. I don't care about any of this crap. Just tell me what he's in.
How is this so hard? Amazon, like, make a website that tells me what people do.
[00:30:32] Speaker A: Do the thing that I want.
[00:30:34] Speaker B: Well, okay.
Oh, I think I accidentally crossed off the thing I was looking for. I think that's my fault. My bad. Amazon, you clearly.
Let's see. He was the voice of Headpool in Deadpool and Wolverine.
[00:30:51] Speaker A: And you liked that movie?
[00:30:54] Speaker B: Yes, but. Yeah, clearly, because Nathan Fillion, that was.
He was Master Karja in Guardians of the Galaxy 3.
Really? The.
They should have just stopped it too.
[00:31:08] Speaker A: See, I haven't seen. I haven't seen.
[00:31:10] Speaker B: So, I mean, don't save yourself some time. Like, he's been a voice on Robot Chicken. I like Robot Chicken.
He was the voice of Wonder man in the Modoc series. I didn't get that far in. So I. I saw an episode. I guess I sort of thought it was funny, but not enough to keep it going.
He had a four episode voice stint on the Venture Bros.
I love the Venture Brothers.
He was Green Lantern in the Death of Superman cartoon. There's a lot of voice work here.
He does hang around the comic book community.
He was in one episode of Brooklyn Nine. Nine. I like that show you started. He was a voice in all these.
[00:32:06] Speaker A: Things that Dan likes people. He was part of.
[00:32:09] Speaker B: Yes. He's. He's like a voice in one thing. Like, I'm still looking for him. He was in the Con man. The game.
See?
Ah, Castle. What is this?
[00:32:22] Speaker A: You'd actually probably like the show.
[00:32:27] Speaker B: He was Richard Castle.
[00:32:29] Speaker A: It's a.
[00:32:29] Speaker B: It's a show about a Castle from 2009 to 2016.
[00:32:36] Speaker A: He's an author who hangs out with police while figuring out crimes.
[00:32:42] Speaker B: I see. So it's Murder She Wrote with Nathan.
So Nathan Fillion is Angela Lansbury.
[00:32:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:32:55] Speaker B: How would I like this? You know what? I did find something I liked him in.
He was in a single episode of Drunk History, and I did like that episode.
[00:33:08] Speaker A: There you go.
[00:33:09] Speaker B: I do. I have a secret affinity for Drunk History. Like, I don't think it's that secret, actually.
I mean, look, I hope he does the most despicable Guy Gardner. I just don't want the character in anything.
[00:33:26] Speaker A: I understand. I understand.
[00:33:31] Speaker B: Oh, he was the voice of the vigilante in Justice League Unlimited.
Not the vigilante you're thinking of. Like the Golden Age vigilante on the horse. Yeah, see, that's.
So that's. That's where you're. Yeah, I saw where you're going there. You're like the vigilante. I just saw your brain going, wait, the vigilante was in Justice League Unlimited? How is that possible? Like, that character does not fit there.
[00:33:56] Speaker A: I was like, what?
[00:33:59] Speaker B: Yeah, you're very confused. No, they had the Golden Age vigilante on the show. Right. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, anyway, this Nathan Fillion aside was brought to you By Project Nerd.
Oh, no. Is brought to you by. You mess it up. The Retro Emporium where you can relive your childhood and where the owner of the Retro Emporium is a big fan of 1 Nathan Fillion 75% of the things he does.
I'm just saying. I was being completely honest.
[00:34:29] Speaker A: I.
[00:34:30] Speaker B: Yes.
So if you want to talk about Nathan Fillion and relive your child childhood, you can go see Anne at the Retro Emporium on Meeker street in Kent, Washington.
[00:34:39] Speaker A: She does watch all this stuff. That's the truth.
[00:34:42] Speaker B: I'm aware. I know these things.
[00:34:44] Speaker A: That's how I watch.
[00:34:45] Speaker B: All right, so I thought you were the one seeking. I just looked at some Nathan Fillion castle graphics here. I clearly thought, based on those graphics, you were the one seeking Nathan Fillion. Now, the only reason I might consider watching the show was the graphics I saw.
But then half of the picture makes me not want to watch the show. So you'd actually like it, though?
Well, that's what you say. Maybe I'll put it on the list of workout shows. Okay.
[00:35:23] Speaker A: Just like Elsbeth.
[00:35:24] Speaker B: All right, so anyway, back to now, Rocket Red has jailed Nathan. I mean, has jailed Christopher Chance.
You know what? Okay, I'm gonna just pause here. I realize the Human Target already had a television show, and so somebody already played Christopher Chance, Right?
[00:35:42] Speaker A: Nathan Fillion could.
[00:35:44] Speaker B: But I would actually be okay with Nathan Fillion playing Christopher Chance. Christopher Chance in the extended movie universe. I could actually see that. Yeah.
[00:35:55] Speaker A: Let's put it out there.
[00:35:56] Speaker B: I could actually.
[00:35:57] Speaker A: I would watch it.
[00:35:59] Speaker B: So.
[00:36:00] Speaker A: And so would my wife.
[00:36:04] Speaker B: Well, that'd be a good. A good way to bring your wife into the DC Universe movies. See, there we go. Well, that's what they're trying.
[00:36:13] Speaker A: Honestly. She.
[00:36:14] Speaker B: But then she's gonna watch it, and she's gonna be like, who is this asshole she watches?
[00:36:19] Speaker A: She would rather watch the DC Universe movies than watch the Marvel Universe movies.
[00:36:26] Speaker B: Well, that's because after, like, for. Right. For like the last four or five Marvel movies, it's just like explosions.
[00:36:35] Speaker A: They're too actiony. There's more story.
[00:36:40] Speaker B: You literally just have explosions and more explosions.
[00:36:43] Speaker A: She likes the story.
[00:36:46] Speaker B: I like explosions. Cool guys. Oh, no. And multi universal explosions. Right.
Oh, wow. So the guy that played. Oh, that's who Mark Valley is. Okay.
The guy that played Hitman was Brad Chase in Boston Legal. Okay. Okay.
[00:37:06] Speaker A: It's all coming.
[00:37:07] Speaker B: Yes. The last great show that William Shatner was on, unfortunately, it's been a bit. But William Shatner is a very Old human.
[00:37:16] Speaker A: Excuse me, you say last great show he was on, the show in which they had him and oh my gosh, I'm trying to think of all the. They had a bunch of old famous people. Henry Winkler was on there.
[00:37:31] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true.
[00:37:32] Speaker A: And they all went on like a world trip of Muhammad Ali, I think.
[00:37:36] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true.
[00:37:38] Speaker A: No, not Muhammad Ali.
[00:37:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I just, I was kissing. I was sort of thinking of like the long term acting role that he had, like.
[00:37:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:45] Speaker B: You know, if that. Is that a fair statement. Can I rephrase that slightly? The last like kind of long term acting thing. If you've never watched Boston Legal, James Spader is in it. I know James Spader. Isn't everyone great though? But William Shatner losing his mind as he like decides if he should retire. Maybe hit a little. Maybe hits a little bit too on the nose in today's political climate, but my God, is it good?
Solid. Anyway, I bet some of the jokes are probably not okay now, so though.
[00:38:19] Speaker A: So if you do watch it, what, 15 years old.
[00:38:23] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So I guarantee some of the jokes would be canceled. But that's, you know, it is what it is. Well, anyway, yeah, we should jump, move forward.
[00:38:37] Speaker A: So Rocket Red has now dropped Christopher Chance for a second time.
[00:38:44] Speaker B: Well, now, now he's in jail.
[00:38:45] Speaker A: That's right.
[00:38:47] Speaker B: He's like in a jail cell. Yeah, well, that's what happens after he gets dropped.
[00:38:50] Speaker A: He's in a jail cell. Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:38:54] Speaker B: And he's coughing and Dimitri's there with the vodka and he's like, you missed dinner. And Dimitri's getting drunker and drizzled and throws the bottle at him.
And he's basically like, chance, like, what the fuck is wrong with you? And he just says, lies, lies, lies. I drink your lies. He's getting drunk off of Christopher Chance's lies.
[00:39:21] Speaker A: Sounds like a song.
[00:39:22] Speaker B: And he says, do you think I wear the suit because it is a good fit. I built suit. I am a scientist. I am a researcher. I check with the satellite to see if there are records of Green Lantern leaving the planet. There is none. None. I check to see if Guy's lantern is here on Earth. Energy can be tracked. And again, there's none. He's not on Earth, is not off Earth, is strange. So while you are sleeping, I examine you with armor. I see you have this ring energy on you. Just traces usually. You won't find this on people unless it is pressed hard into the skin where it can be detected for almost a week. I see this Thing on your neck.
Maybe he was. He was strangling you. So man who hates you disappears, and you have energy on you that say he was trying to hurt you. And do you say, oh, there was a fight and he was hurt, or, oh, there was a fight and he ran and I don't know where?
No, you say. You say nothing.
This, I think, means you killed him.
And Dimitri takes off the armor. Why do these guys keep taking off their armor and their rings and stuff to fight Christopher Chance?
[00:40:39] Speaker A: Yeah, they want to. Even seems like level that fragile.
They don't want to. They don't want to straight up kill him, you know?
[00:40:48] Speaker B: Well, they start punching the hell out of him. And Dimitri is, like, demanding to know, like, where Gaia Gardner is.
And then he says, I took off all of my armor because I thought it might be too tempting to kill you before I got the right information. I think maybe I should put it back on.
And as he is beating the out of Christopher Chance, his alarm starts. His armor starts beeping, Beep, beep, beep. That must be because his armor isn't touching his heart anymore.
Anyway, at some point after that Tolstoy reference earlier, Christopher Chance is like, fuck Tolstoy.
And he's like, I'm out cold again. And he's like, I'm home again.
And Ice is with him.
She says, I'm here, and he's not alone.
He said, it's about to be 10:37pm by my watch, in case you were wondering. Mr. Chance, where's my gun? Red is here to apologize. Christopher, we got an alert on the Justice League comms.
It is from Guy. He is saying he moved to another dimension unexpectedly, and he hopes that Christopher Chance will forgive him.
[00:42:12] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:42:16] Speaker B: And he. Chance says, after my dad died, I decided that was it. I was. It was my job to take the bullet. It was my job to die. And I wouldn't be like my dad. I wouldn't be selfish like him. I didn't need him to fail, need a family to fail. And then he selfishly punches the fuck out of Dimitri, who actually solved the crime.
And ICL is Christopher. And he's like, you cost me a whole day of my life.
I don't have time for this shit.
[00:42:50] Speaker A: Oh, he's stomping on him.
[00:42:53] Speaker B: Ice puts us knock. Ice knocks him out.
They go back to bed. He's mad that he wasted an entire day. But Dimitri's gone. And we end with Ice enchanted bed. And he says, I'm good.
He says, go quick. Leave nothing behind.
Thinks sorry, thinks and, wow.
Like, you know, I said I didn't like the. It's probably one of my least favorite issues of the series.
But I'm going to sell the fact that my argument is correct, because you really do have to read this one, at least in the sequence to get it going, because they do want to illustrate that he's wasting a day and he's upset with that. Right. Like, in the whole notion of he's pissed and he's about to die and he doesn't want to waste his time. I get it.
Iron Rocket, Monroe, Russian Ironman. Anyway, it is interesting that of all the people, like, in the Justice League, Dimitri is the one to figure it out.
He doesn't know exactly what happened, but he puts all the clues together. They said one of them. They said the Justice League would figure it out. Right.
And then, you know, Ice presumably fakes the signal or whatever. Right. To make him not figure it out. But, I mean, I do at least like that piece, and I do think, even though we're not going to discuss issue nine, I do think eight sets you up for nine. And I'll do a little bit of foreshadowing because Christopher Chance gets very paranoid in issue nine about being caught.
[00:44:40] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Because he's. It's already. It's already been put together. Yeah. He's. He's like, oh, right.
Some.
[00:44:50] Speaker B: And so if you skip this issue and just read nine, nine's not going to make a lot of sense.
[00:44:54] Speaker A: You need this one to get to that point. Yeah, I. I can. It's. You're right. Like on a. On a second read or a third read or, you know, after multiple reads, it sinks in that, yes, it. It makes a lot of sense. But if you're just reading this and you're just, like, blasting through it, you're just kind of. You're left, just like Christopher Chance is at the end of the book, angry because you're like, what the heck?
[00:45:23] Speaker B: It's just.
[00:45:29] Speaker A: Rocket Red beating the crap out of him over and over again for 20 pages.
[00:45:36] Speaker B: Right. And that's. I mean, and that's sort of silly. Right.
[00:45:40] Speaker A: And.
[00:45:42] Speaker B: But if you get the next issue, it. Yeah. All makes sense.
[00:45:47] Speaker A: It does. It does. And then you're like, oh, paranoia.
[00:45:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:55] Speaker A: Paranoid. Okay.
[00:45:58] Speaker B: I didn't know that's where you're going, but yeah.
I thought you were starting to sing the Diaries.
[00:46:03] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. No, that happened earlier. Oh, boy.
[00:46:07] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:46:12] Speaker A: Grandma and I played a game I pull my finger and let one go and boy, oh, boy Never gamble on a fart Kids.
[00:46:18] Speaker B: Enough of that. Enough of that. Enough, enough, enough. Jesus.
And I see, again, I make decisions that are negative to my life, and they come back to haunt me.
[00:46:32] Speaker A: I didn't say who won or lost, but it was me.
[00:46:39] Speaker B: Again. Again, I didn't need any more detail. We were good.
We could clearly.
[00:46:46] Speaker A: Dan is the loser in this conversation on that.
[00:46:50] Speaker B: Dan is a loser in those conversations. In. On that note.
On that note, I think we probably could wrap this one up just like.
[00:47:00] Speaker A: Jiu Jitsu lawyer Paul wraps people up, both in the ring, on the mat, and in the law room. In the law. In the law.
[00:47:10] Speaker B: In the law room. In the law. The law. Where have you been? Have you been to the law?
[00:47:15] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. He's like, come here. I got a black belt in the Lawrence.
[00:47:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I bet he does say that. Or he walks around going, I am.
Because he actually does do the dirt.
I'm the dirt. No, he's. No, it's. There's a great podcast, side note, but unfortunately, they don't make any more episodes of it. But, yeah.
Well, anyway, Jiu Jitsu lawyer Paul, if you want him for legal services or Jiu Jitsu services, if you want him for Jiu Jitsu services, you can find him at Bridgeport Way and 27th in Tacoma, Washington. You just. You go down Bridgeport, you turn left on 27, you go back behind the Meineke, and they turn around and you're in his parking lot. And if you're coming toward the Narrows Bridge, you just turn into his parking lot. It's kind of amazing. Clickety clack. And you can go see him. And I'm sure if you go there for Just for jujitsu time, you can also just ask him to be your lawyer and he'll represent you.
[00:48:19] Speaker A: Represent.
[00:48:21] Speaker B: Just like he does Greg Smith.
[00:48:23] Speaker A: All my legal in.
[00:48:25] Speaker B: Yeah, and me. He's represented me in three separate legal affairs which have been very nice.
All have had positive outcomes, in fact. In fact, you know, we talk about this all the time, but I should share with everybody that Jiu Jitsu lawyer Paul sued a collection company that was harassing me for a bill that I paid that didn't even belong to me.
[00:48:48] Speaker A: They were coming after you for money they wanted, but wasn't yours.
[00:48:52] Speaker B: I was a co signer. This is young. And make stupid mistakes. I was a co signer on a loan. A co signer. The person that signed on the loan did not pay. I paid off the balance of the loan. It wasn't even yours and it was not even mine. And yet these debt Collectors came after me, claiming that I had not paid the balance and it was zombie debt. It was exactly that. And Jiu Jitsu lawyer Paul successfully sued them. And three different times.
[00:49:23] Speaker A: Three different times.
[00:49:24] Speaker B: Well, he didn't sue them. Yeah, he threatened to sue them. He wrote them mean legal letters, and we told them we were gonna sue. And I settled with them. I got three different settlements with them. And the last one says that I get paid a certain amount automatically if anybody calls me again in writing.
[00:49:46] Speaker A: That's the kind of legal help you need and want, people.
[00:49:50] Speaker B: That is the exact kind of legal help you need and want. Like, somebody that actually cares about humans. So, anyway, we will say if you do have a legal situation, you can reach out to us too. We can put you in touch with Jiu Jitsu lawyer Paul. Of course, you have to be in Washington for those services, but.
Yeah.
[00:50:06] Speaker A: Or find him on TikTok.
[00:50:07] Speaker B: You could find him on TikTok talking about the law and talking about Jiu Jitsu.
It's shocked. You should be shocked to find that out.
Let's see. Anything you need to promote in the month of November?
[00:50:23] Speaker A: Well, I mean, I don't know if this will come out after, but Grit CD comic show.
The. Was it the 9th? 8th, 9th, 8th, 9th, 9th, ninth, 9th, 9th, 8th.
[00:50:36] Speaker B: It might come out before. Well, yeah, I think. Let me look at the calendar. Let's see. We've got one coming out on the 27th and then one coming out on the third, so sure. Yeah, this should come out.
I think this comes out the week before, if I'm timing out my podcast right.
[00:50:54] Speaker A: Well, I'll be at the Grit City Comics show, and I believe you will also be there with me.
[00:51:05] Speaker B: I will consider showing up to accompany you at the table. And then.
[00:51:09] Speaker A: Oh, that Mike Tanner guy is gonna.
[00:51:11] Speaker B: I did just find out that. I just. I did look at the guest list and found out that our favorite Spider man artist is not.
[00:51:17] Speaker A: He's not gonna be there.
[00:51:20] Speaker B: Well, he wasn't on the guest list. So, Travis, now we really have to call.
You know what? Spoiler alert.
And we're saying now he's a great artist.
I'm not saying he's my favorite Spider man artist. Based on quality of work, though, he is a great artist. This is not meant to insult the Man. I am just saying, I mean, because, like, you're competing with some pretty heavy hitters there, jrj, but he is definitely my favorite Spider man artist in quality of work and to chat with. And I have art on my wall now. We have also chatted with Todd McFarland. Yeah, many times.
Not to flex.
[00:52:06] Speaker A: There's no flexing. Just.
[00:52:07] Speaker B: I mean, but I don't think he'd answer our calls now. And this artist definitely would.
[00:52:16] Speaker A: Definitely awkward high school kids with new upstart. Hey, guys, how's it going?
[00:52:23] Speaker B: Very awkward high school kids with awkward. Just after college, artists making millions of dollars, starting his own company.
[00:52:33] Speaker A: See my new book?
Yeah, we're here. Buying it, dude.
[00:52:38] Speaker B: Actually, he always. Honestly, he had swagger. I think that's probably because he played baseball. Like, he was used to being in front of people.
[00:52:45] Speaker A: Just a cool dude.
[00:52:47] Speaker B: He definitely had the swagger compared to the other image startup artists. Honestly, I think Jim had the swagger too.
But I mean, anyway. Well, not to get too far off down that track, but anyway, Greg, I'm putting this on you. I'm calling it out on the podcast. We've got to get that artist.
[00:53:07] Speaker A: All right, we will lock it in.
[00:53:10] Speaker B: Get it. We promised him that we didn't do that. And he said that he would review one of either one of his least favorite, like, not least favorite, but kind of like funny, ridiculous comic books or we would review, like, a ridiculous book that he actually worked on.
[00:53:28] Speaker A: All right, wow.
[00:53:29] Speaker B: So we're talking, like, capital territory here.
[00:53:32] Speaker A: Well, then we'll. We'll get something. It'll be great.
[00:53:37] Speaker B: But anyway, we gotta do that, so. I don't know why, but anyway, if this person comes to Grit City, I will make sure we shout them out.
[00:53:46] Speaker A: Will do.
[00:53:47] Speaker B: But I don't wanna shout them out right now because we haven't got them on the podcast, and they are not gonna be a Grit City potentially. But if they were, and if they are, then we will shout that out.
And if we get them, like a date to record a podcast, we will definitely be shouting that out. Yes.
Yeah. The podcast will be like carnage.
[00:54:07] Speaker A: It'll be. It will be. That's that. It will.
[00:54:11] Speaker B: Complete carnage. Complete carnage. Yeah.
[00:54:14] Speaker A: Carnage asada.
[00:54:16] Speaker B: Complete carnage.
[00:54:17] Speaker A: Carnage asada.
[00:54:19] Speaker B: Carnage salad.
[00:54:20] Speaker A: Salad.
[00:54:23] Speaker B: Yeah. That's when you put all the raw meat on the salad to make it healthy and not salad.
[00:54:28] Speaker A: I thought it was carnage asada.
Well, anyway, El salada.
[00:54:34] Speaker B: Okay, Joe. Quesadilla.
[00:54:39] Speaker A: Perfect Quesadilla.
[00:54:42] Speaker B: It's in the bag.
[00:54:42] Speaker A: In the bag. Put it in the bag.
[00:54:45] Speaker B: Put it in the bag. Well, anyway, we should wrap this one up before we say something really dumb.
No, you took it too far. It in the bag was the final clue.
[00:54:57] Speaker A: Okay, I'm quiet now.
[00:55:03] Speaker B: Well, it's who they worked anyway. Who they worked.
[00:55:06] Speaker A: You can finish that. You can finish the show now.
[00:55:10] Speaker B: You can finish a clue.
Really? That's what we see how it is.
Oh, well. Okay, show over this. I'm Dan. That's Greg. This was Funnybook Forensics. We hope you had fun listening and we hope that you clickety clack on your way out of here and have a wonderful day.
[00:55:33] Speaker A: Oh, no.
Oh, crap. What did I do?
[00:55:36] Speaker B: Oh, my God. I'm the one that doesn't have the clicker up. What the hell?
[00:55:40] Speaker A: Oh, my God. I hit a bunch.
