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[00:00:07] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:00:13] Speaker B: Double, yeah.
[00:00:14] Speaker A: Double, yeah.
[00:00:14] Speaker B: Duplicate, yeah. Duplicate, triple. Yeah. Triple, duplicate, yeah. All the duplicates. Yeah.
[00:00:19] Speaker A: Quadruple, yeah.
[00:00:20] Speaker B: All duplicates everywhere.
[00:00:21] Speaker A: Six Tuple.
[00:00:21] Speaker B: Yeah, like word duplicates today.
[00:00:24] Speaker A: We are duplicates today.
[00:00:26] Speaker B: Set that in by my hat.
[00:00:28] Speaker A: You've got a hat for those that can see somewhere those can't see on the audio version of the the show Dan is Hats in Seattle.
[00:00:40] Speaker B: Well, you can't see this beautiful cover of Mad Rocks.
[00:00:44] Speaker A: It's so mad.
[00:00:45] Speaker B: Number four.
[00:00:46] Speaker A: Number four.
[00:00:47] Speaker B: There's lots of them actually. I love this one. The copy machine.
[00:00:50] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:00:52] Speaker B: Does that mean they're clones or does that mean they're duplicates? Or does that mean they're Xeroxes, which we could get sued for.
[00:00:58] Speaker A: They're dittos.
[00:01:01] Speaker B: Ditto masters.
[00:01:03] Speaker A: Dude, this. I. Okay, I'm just gonna. I. I have to say this because this is. This fits. So this kid came into the shop the other day and he was like, dude, did you know the word ditto didn't exist until Pokemon? And now people say ditto all the time because of Pokemon to his friend. And I was like, yeah, child, you are sorely mistaken. My hands are purple.
[00:01:31] Speaker B: Yeah. You mean. You mean it wasn't used by the late and eternally burning in hell former talk show radio host and then it wasn't used by the Ditto Master Machine? The Ditto Master Machine by teachers.
[00:01:44] Speaker A: Yes. I had the purple hand to prove it because I was always in trouble.
[00:01:49] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I feel like they're. Anyway, well, Mad Rocks is a ditto. I mean, let's not. No, I don't want to associate anything with that terrible human being who use that term all the time.
[00:02:06] Speaker A: Well, I'm using it in the Pokemon term because that's what the kids today only know.
[00:02:11] Speaker B: Ditto is a shitty Pokemon. What?
[00:02:14] Speaker A: Get out of here.
Ditto is not a shitty Pokemon.
[00:02:19] Speaker B: You know, earlier I was wearing my Prote shirt.
[00:02:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:22] Speaker B: From a company I'm not going to say the name of because they went from making really cool original art based shirts and working with artists to collaborate, to now printing covers on shirts and ripping off people and selling the art illegally without license.
[00:02:36] Speaker A: Oh, God.
[00:02:38] Speaker B: So once a really cool company selling some stuff that I like, like Legion stuff, and then they got super lazy and now just riff covers and sell them on shirts and people. You know what pisses me off the most, by the way, not to get distracted by ditto. Besides ditto is that people buy these shirts and then post themselves wearing them and then they get mad when you call them out in groups for ripping off the art.
[00:03:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:03] Speaker B: Like you say, oh, is that licensed? Oh, are you paying the family of the artist that you stole that from?
[00:03:08] Speaker A: No.
[00:03:10] Speaker B: And they're like, I didn't think about it. I just bought it.
[00:03:14] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:03:15] Speaker B: Oh, well. Face like you are an idiot. And by the way, a company that I will not name you suck. And I'm pissed off that I ever bought from you, because originally you did it the right way and then you got lazy.
And if your name is shirts and bearded, you suck as a company.
[00:03:35] Speaker A: Oh, did you? You did? No, no.
[00:03:40] Speaker B: Not yet.
[00:03:41] Speaker A: Not yet.
[00:03:41] Speaker B: No.
[00:03:41] Speaker A: Naming and shaming.
[00:03:42] Speaker B: I fully named. I wouldn't want to name the full name, because if I name the full name, then I might get in trouble or get sued.
[00:03:48] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true. You don't want to do that. But if you're picking up what he's laying down, definitely.
[00:03:55] Speaker B: And if you're another company that does this shit, knock it off.
[00:03:59] Speaker A: Knock it off.
[00:04:00] Speaker B: There are so many artists out there that would not, for not very much money would. If you want to do fan art or you want to draw something and you want to sell unlicensed stuff or you have a brand out there that you feel like you can just sell stuff for and we can buy it. Is this cool? Cool.
[00:04:15] Speaker A: Do that.
[00:04:17] Speaker B: Like, pay the 500 bucks for the art and run the shirts.
[00:04:20] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. Like, I mean, I'll tell you from the. From the retail side of things, Buying things from licensed vendors and stuff like that. It does cost, but at least you don't have the. The icky feeling of knowing that you bought something sketchily.
[00:04:34] Speaker B: You know, if somebody did a cover of something and you know you want to license that, then. I'm sorry. If you can't license that because you have to pay the artist who made it.
[00:04:46] Speaker A: I know.
[00:04:49] Speaker B: Well, we got off on dittos, and then I got off on copying, and then I got off on copywriting, and this is how my brain works. But we're gonna steer it back to positive things.
[00:04:57] Speaker A: It's almost like.
It's almost like you're mad rocks. And you. And you, like, fell and bumped yourself and made multiples of you that were just spitting out different facts about different things. That's totally, totally in vain.
[00:05:12] Speaker B: Well, it's totally Dan to go non sequitur and spit off a bunch of random facts, but true, true.
I will also say very cool cover.
[00:05:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:05:21] Speaker B: But before we get into Peter David, we do want to do a quick shout out.
[00:05:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:05:26] Speaker B: And a rest in peace to.
I don't want to say our friend, but podcast joke. Podcast friend, yeah, Podcast talk to Jim Shooter.
We're very sad that he passed away, obviously. I mean, amazing career in comics.
[00:05:44] Speaker A: Definitely.
[00:05:45] Speaker B: Possibly over bragged about some things, possibly under bragged about some others.
Had amazing stories. We got to hear those stories at SummerCon last year and with all I, I even read posts again and we thought this before we met him, but I read posts again during, after his death. Like, oh, I heard he was really difficult to talk to and I'm like, yeah, we were afraid to, but no, he was quite easy to talk to. Very enjoyable man.
Started in comics when he was 13 years old and led an amazing career as in working with Legion, dc, Superman, the Superman books, working with notoriously tough editor Mort Wisinger and then moving over and becoming the editor in chief himself at Marvel Comics. I think one of the best stories about that was he went to business school. So he like he started in comics, he went to business school, he came back to comics, then he went to Marvel and he's like, they don't run this like a business.
And for better or for worse. Yeah, sometimes worse, sometimes better. But he ran Marvel Comics like a business. And so, you know, if you're a big fan of comics, getting out on time and getting your monthly book and, and seeing it and not having as many fill in artists and things like that, Jim probably could be attributed to a lot of that. And I didn't know that until we joked about him a lot on the show. And then I did some research and reading and I really had no idea because I was sharing with, well, listener Jason, podcaster Jason, that marvel in the 80s is a big blind spot for me because I was a kid and I wasn't reading the Marvel comics in the 80s. I got to buy one comic and then if I used my money to buy other comics, it was usually like a DC comic. I did read grab some West coast avengers in the 80s for a few issues.
I did have some GI Joe comics, as you know.
I bought probably what, 20 in the run. It wasn't a ton.
[00:07:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:53] Speaker B: And I didn't go back and read X Men until we were in high school. Right.
Our friend Jen. Well, I don't have your friend. I think are your friend too. Jen Baker. That's a callback. Yeah, callback I haven't seen in ever.
Yeah. Because she went to college and never saw her again. But she was if Jed, if you're ever out there listening. Right. She Gave me her whole 80s x men run to take home and read and. But I didn't do that until I was in high school, so.
80s, yeah. I've never read Secret wars like I was selling Jason. I never read it.
So, you know, the whole 80s Marvel run is kind of a blindside to me. I rely on research like you, Greg. I rely on you for that. I rely on our friend Palmer for information about Marvel. 80s. He was reading Marvel in the 80s and I was reading DC.
[00:08:41] Speaker A: He's a wealth of knowledge. I mean, when it comes to this stuff, I mean, he. He pulls random. We'll have a conversation, and he's just like, spouts off things. And I'm like, whoa, okay. Yeah, that's like, it. It makes my memory. I have to go back. And I'm like, oh, yeah, that did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:08:58] Speaker B: He can tell you all the Avengers leaders in the 80s and all that.
[00:09:01] Speaker A: And. Yeah.
[00:09:03] Speaker B: And. And then that's also how I learned about the whole history of the Ms. Marvel character and the criticism of. And. And then let's. Let's go. My criticism on Disney was, oh, you had an African American Ms. Marvel female character. And then you. Then you brag about, oh, look at us, we made a white lady with blonde hair Ms. Marvel look. This is like, innovative look. A female superhero. And it's like, yeah. I mean, you had Ms. Marvel slash Photon in the 80s under Jim Shooter's editorial regime.
[00:09:34] Speaker A: Right, right.
[00:09:35] Speaker B: Like so.
Yeah. Way to go, Disney. First time ever. Way to go. Good job.
Kind of like when Jim said he did the first drug comic ever, which we covered on this podcast.
When. When you think me bragging about things he didn't create.
[00:09:53] Speaker A: But when you think about it, though, I mean, I think it hit the notes.
It hit the notes.
So, I mean, it was. It did.
[00:10:03] Speaker B: And well, and. And what I'll say too, is we want to honor. We're going to honor Jim Shooter in a weird way. Yeah. Now, our first thought was somebody suggested, should we do Secret War? Should we do Star Brand?
[00:10:15] Speaker A: So good.
[00:10:17] Speaker B: Should we. Should we go get his. So I got the first Legion issue sign that he did. Should we do those.
Should we do, like, the death of Pharaoh Lad in the Legion? Which was a big deal because you had a character that died that didn't come back.
[00:10:32] Speaker A: Yeah, that's not usual in the comic In.
[00:10:36] Speaker B: In that time, especially in Superman edited comic editorial office comics where you were. You were geared toward kids, and so that didn't usually happen.
Should we do any of those things?
And from the stories we heard, though, his amazing sense of humor from the tributes that have gone out about his amazing sense of humor and all of our jokes about Jim Shooter. Pew. Pew. On the podcast in the past.
We are going to honor Jim Shooter. We've got two more honor. I'm really tired of everybody dying because I keep honoring people.
[00:11:13] Speaker A: Stop.
[00:11:13] Speaker B: I mean, I like honoring people, but I don't like this.
[00:11:16] Speaker A: No, I don't like this.
[00:11:17] Speaker B: Like, can we have a break? I don't want my creators to die, but I know this happens. And so we're finishing up with these two episodes with Peter David, but we are going to go back and bring a character into the show that we have talked about many, many times.
[00:11:33] Speaker A: So many times. He's. He's almost.
[00:11:35] Speaker B: And we also.
[00:11:36] Speaker A: He's like a mascot of the show.
[00:11:39] Speaker B: Yeah, he is like a mascot of the show.
We are going to start out after these two episodes. We're going to start out. If you want to read ahead, we're going to start out with Superboy and the Legion starring. Not Superboy. And yet, because it wasn't the official title, it's Superboy starring the Legion of Superheroes. So if you're a completist, we hadn't quite switched to the Superboy. And so we're still Superboy. Volume one, volume one, number 221.
Writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Grell.
[00:12:09] Speaker A: Oh, another.
[00:12:12] Speaker B: And so you're gonna get some Grell goodness in that one. And we are going to cover the first appearance of Grimbor the Chainsman.
[00:12:20] Speaker A: Grimbor.
[00:12:22] Speaker B: Oh, or is it the Chain Master?
[00:12:27] Speaker A: Maybe the Chain Master.
I think it's a chainsman.
[00:12:30] Speaker B: Chains Man. Or that could. Could be the Chains Master.
Says the Chains Man.
But I think he came later as the Chains Master.
A character who's fetish gear was only made worse when Koreans drew it on a cartoon.
[00:12:46] Speaker A: Oh, but it's so classy.
[00:12:51] Speaker B: Well, this is. But the cartoon. I. I don't know if I showed you the cartoon. It got worse.
[00:12:56] Speaker A: We'll have to.
[00:12:57] Speaker B: It's like his outfits got better over time.
[00:12:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:00] Speaker B: And then it went wow. On the cartoon.
[00:13:04] Speaker A: It. It's definitely something. We'll have to bring it back again.
[00:13:07] Speaker B: Thanks for Jason.
Thanks, Jason, for sending me the clip from the cartoon that I had forgotten about. That made the costume even worse because Jason was like, who is this? And we're like, well, not that.
Slow down.
And you know, the master of.
[00:13:27] Speaker A: Of.
[00:13:28] Speaker B: Of chains and. And things is certainly a useful power in the 30th century.
[00:13:33] Speaker A: Of course, Yeah, I mean, of course.
[00:13:35] Speaker B: Everybody else has, because no one else would know how to do it.
[00:13:38] Speaker A: Except for the chains master is Chains Man. Chains man. Yeah, he's. He's the man of the chains. He's going to hang you up and do things.
[00:13:49] Speaker B: Well, we're. Well, we'll have to wonder what. What Jim had studied in college to come up with this character in his brain.
[00:13:57] Speaker A: Of course. Of course. I will say. I will say one of the.
You know, just to jump back and. And we can. We'll talk more about it, too. But I.
I really did thoroughly enjoy our time talking to him because was one of those moments where you're talking to a creator. He's got a line of people and he's just like, no, we're talking. We're. We're talking.
They can wait.
It was just nice. Yep, it was.
[00:14:28] Speaker B: And when we came out, there was.
[00:14:29] Speaker A: Not a line There wasn't. It just started to fill in. But he was. He was more than happy to just keep the conversation going with us and. And just have a conversation and there.
[00:14:40] Speaker B: Would be a bigger line later in the day. We just got there very early in the day and got to Jim right at the beginning of the day and got to chat.
[00:14:48] Speaker A: Perfect time.
[00:14:49] Speaker B: Yeah. He did not. I mean. And we had similar experiences with Neil Adams.
[00:14:54] Speaker A: Well, you had a similar experience with Neil Adams. I had the. I'm 12 years old and I. I can't find words to talk to you, Mr. Adams, and I'm an idiot.
[00:15:06] Speaker B: But, yeah, I think. I mean, I've had similar experience with a lot of creators.
[00:15:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:10] Speaker B: Chris Sprouse, Gail Simone.
[00:15:14] Speaker A: She's fantastic.
[00:15:15] Speaker B: You know, you get up there. Well, even with.
It wasn't a big line, but with Joel Jones, we were just sitting there chatting as the line built behind us about clam chowder. Chowder.
[00:15:25] Speaker A: Ch.
[00:15:25] Speaker B: I think you have to remember.
You have to remember these folks are real. And.
And I. I will say I probably lost all the business cards of the people that we talk to because I'm an idiot. So we're going to have to put together a back. A list, but we're going to try over the next. I don't know if it'll be as funny book forensics or if we'll put a different podcast title on it and start a different run, like. But Greg and I. Or Dan. Just Dan or just Greg, but we're going to try to meet with some creators and we're going to do a little bit of a different approach. No, we're not going to do.
Hi. How did you get started in comics?
Hi. What was the first comic you read that got you excited? Hello.
Tell us why you invented Grimoire.
I mean, yeah, we want to get folks on. Yeah, we want to get folks on and do the same thing Greg and I do. We just want to have a conversation with folks, just like we do when we go to those places and chat and if they want to, you know. And I, I, I think we're kind of batting around some ideas. I think one idea is just to have them bring on a comic they did or a comic they read and talk to us about it, just like we do with our, the comics here.
[00:16:45] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:16:48] Speaker B: Another approach. You know, I was.
I don't know. I was ready. I had my dream this morning, and I was thinking, not dreams, but I was walking around thinking about stuff, and I was thinking about.
I was thinking about Randy Emberlin, and I was like, what if we did a whole podcast with just Randy? Which probably wouldn't happen. This is not a. I've never asked Randy this. Like, we, We've only asked him to come on. Yeah, but I was like, how would we name the podcast? Could we call it, like, Raining Carnage? Raining Carnage.
Carnage everywhere.
But getting Randy with Randy.
[00:17:26] Speaker A: No, he, he messaged out of the blue.
[00:17:28] Speaker B: No, you see, I knew he, he.
[00:17:32] Speaker A: Messaged out of the blue yesterday about, about Just, just to touch base to, you know, hey, when do you guys want to, you know, do something? I was like, oh, hey, talk to Dan. We'll, We'll. We're gonna set that up.
[00:17:44] Speaker B: We got, we gotta, We've gotta, We've gotta make that happen.
[00:17:48] Speaker A: He's great.
[00:17:50] Speaker B: Randy's just one example of these creators that are out there that, that are great storytellers, and that's why they are in the business.
They are great storytellers. That's the whole point. So we want to take advantage of that anyway. So I don't wanna get too distracted. I wanna get into Mad Rock. I didn't want to turn the conversation back to a positive. And if I'm going to tie back into the rant I had before this, I'm going to say that's doing it the right way. Yeah. Engaging with the creator and having them tell their stories. What?
[00:18:21] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. Yeah. That is, that is giving them the.
[00:18:25] Speaker B: Credit for what they.
[00:18:26] Speaker A: Giving them the platform to expand upon their creative endeavors and discuss them and share the joy with those around them.
[00:18:41] Speaker B: So, anyway, all right, so we are going to move on. So rest in peace, Jim.
Randy will do the show soon, we promise, and I'll pull out some of the lists of the other folks we got and see if we can get into contact with them. I don't know that we'll have enough to do its own podcast, so. May just become part of Funny Book Forensics. But, yeah, we want to make sure that that happens. And many.
I don't want to lose somebody else before I have a chance to chat with them.
[00:19:09] Speaker A: Like, gotta get them. Got it.
[00:19:11] Speaker B: It's.
[00:19:11] Speaker A: It's just like Pokemon. You gotta collect them all. Gotta get them all.
[00:19:16] Speaker B: So. Well, and on that note, we are recording at a different time than normal, but I know your good friend Travis Webb is blasting me from. With messages right now from the Kickstarter campaign.
[00:19:26] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. I know.
[00:19:28] Speaker B: Unfortunately, this podcast will, I think, go out after. Does it. When does it end?
[00:19:33] Speaker A: The Kickstarter ends in three days from today. The Kickstarter has.
[00:19:36] Speaker B: Well, this podcast will go out before it ends. You can still back.
[00:19:40] Speaker A: You can still back it. We are.
[00:19:41] Speaker B: We are.
[00:19:41] Speaker A: We are going for stretch goals right now on the Starlight graphic novel Kickstarter. We have hit the goal, but we would love to see it go further so that we can do more for you with other projects we have in the hopper.
Everything that we. We get from this just goes back into those things. So Brett is currently working on, as we discussed before, the.
The Nemesis project that Travis and him had put together for the secret project. I can talk about it now because they are talking about it. Yes, the secret project. The Nemesis.
The. The Nemesis sequel. So from the 90s Albert Prien movie, Nemesis. It is a sequel that Albert Prien's estate has given the stamp of approval for, and we're moving forward with that. And there might be another project related to Nemesis coming out by another project by yours truly.
Oh, stay tuned, folks.
[00:20:46] Speaker B: Well, I just. I just want to say, if you're hearing this podcast, uh, well, there's. Well, there's 48 hours to go, so this may be done before the podcast. It says it ends at 11.
Wow. You may get to the podcast after it ends. Okay, well, because it ends at 1104am on July 6th, so this podcast will probably be out a little bit later in the afternoon. Oh, maybe I'll put some effort out and try to get it out Saturday so you can hear this podcast before the best.
Who knows? I may. I may try to do something since now we're talking about it, but if I don't get it out ahead of time, I'm sure There's still going to be a way to buy this thing. So you can, I'll, we'll get you in touch with Travis.
If not, you know, it's okay. But I'm going to tell you I can now. I have now a full fledged endorsement of this project.
Yeah, I did not before. No, I didn't. You do now though, because of one thing.
[00:21:44] Speaker A: What is the one thing?
[00:21:45] Speaker B: Lack of page numbers.
[00:21:46] Speaker A: Oh, lack of page numbers.
[00:21:48] Speaker B: Page numbers. And, and now I have seen. Yeah, there's some previews of this book that there will indeed be page numbers.
[00:21:57] Speaker A: It was a 3:1 decision to put the page numbers in. I was the one that said no.
I said no because I didn't want Dan to be happy.
[00:22:06] Speaker B: But clearly everyone else is correct.
[00:22:08] Speaker A: Travis, Travis wanted Dan to be happy and Brett bended to Travis's will.
[00:22:16] Speaker B: There are page numbers in this, so. And if we ever reviewed the whole thing at once, which I mean would be sort of silly because we reviewed all the individual issues, but if we did do the whole thing at once, there would be page numbers to tell you to go to when things happen.
[00:22:31] Speaker A: I should say actually a 4:1 decision because also Tom was like, dudes, guys, page numbers. You're why.
[00:22:43] Speaker B: Wow. Tom wanted page numbers.
[00:22:45] Speaker A: I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I don't. I, I think that was a weigh in on, for the, for the, the.
[00:22:53] Speaker B: Most experienced person on the project wanted page numbers.
[00:22:56] Speaker A: I, I'm pretty sure that was part of the legend. The legend. I, I believe that was part of the. I'm putting my head.
It's a shame.
[00:23:03] Speaker B: Yes. See, once again I was right. Just like when I was right about John Byrne, Jim Shooter told us I was right that he just was totally riffing Dave Cockram's X Men Designs.
[00:23:21] Speaker A: Yes, Dan is right everyone.
[00:23:22] Speaker B: And once again, Dan, Dan is right again.
[00:23:24] Speaker A: Right again. Yes.
[00:23:25] Speaker B: About page numbers.
[00:23:26] Speaker A: Page numbers, yes. So there's page numbers in the book. So, so if, if you are looking for a compendium of Starlight with page numbers so you know what's going on on every single page, you too can have your book with all the numbers.
All of them.
[00:23:47] Speaker B: Yeah, it's, it's that unlike this book.
[00:23:49] Speaker A: Unlike that book with no page numbers, Mad Rocks number four. No page numbers. I, I did, I got, I got a little mixed up reading the book, but I was glad to, to be able to find my way.
[00:24:03] Speaker B: Well, good news. Mad Rocks number four.
[00:24:05] Speaker A: Yeah, these are some hard, these are.
[00:24:07] Speaker B: Semi hard transitions in this podcast. We are just like bouncing from topic. I Know, but Mad Rocks number four, we've got a copy machine.
[00:24:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:20] Speaker B: That's called Mad Rocks. As opposed to a different company.
[00:24:23] Speaker A: Huh? It's a Mad Rock, Scott. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:24:27] Speaker B: And got an accident. Like spy Mad Rocks. There's like a ninja. Mad Rocks. There's like a musician Mad Rocks. There's like a wizard Mad Rocks. There's a scientist Mad Rocks. There's an Olympic champion Mad Rock. There's all these Mad Roxes. They're everywhere.
[00:24:41] Speaker A: Everywhere there's any kind of Mad Rocks you can imagine. There is one.
[00:24:46] Speaker B: All learning skills to bring back. And we flip the page. And by the way, remember how I was complaining about the. How the advertising has dipped since issue one and the things that we were getting advertised?
[00:24:58] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:25:00] Speaker B: Well, what'd you get? Clearly, people were reading this comment.
[00:25:03] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:25:04] Speaker B: Because they went. They. The advertising is back.
It's back for this because on the internal, Internal cover we have an advertisement for one of the best movies ever made.
[00:25:19] Speaker A: Is that dodgeball?
[00:25:21] Speaker B: It is dodgeball.
[00:25:22] Speaker A: Oh, man. If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball.
[00:25:25] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:25:26] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh.
[00:25:27] Speaker B: Dodge, duck, dip, dive and duck.
[00:25:31] Speaker A: Ah, that is I, you know, classic film. Good, good cast, great lines, super quotable.
[00:25:41] Speaker B: I mean, it does have my arch enemy in it, but he's the villain.
[00:25:44] Speaker A: He's the villain.
[00:25:45] Speaker B: So it's fine.
[00:25:46] Speaker A: Fine. It's fine.
I. I can tell you this.
Dodgeball is great when you're playing with all adults. If you're playing with children, it's not a great thing if you're an adult.
[00:25:57] Speaker B: Also, the movie Dodgeball is the best. One of the best. I mean, I watch it every six or seven months.
[00:26:03] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a good one. It's classic.
[00:26:05] Speaker B: If you're having a bad day, throw a dodgeball.
[00:26:07] Speaker A: Throw.
[00:26:08] Speaker B: Some of the comedy has dated itself.
[00:26:10] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. But that's okay. Dodgeball, Grandma's boy. Then I'm like, oh, this is my life.
[00:26:19] Speaker B: I'm waiting for the criticisms now. Because Dan likes dodgeball.
[00:26:24] Speaker A: It's okay, Dan. You can like, you can like dodgeball. It's not like you said other movies from that era. So dodgeball is good choice.
There's a lot to choose from. Well, and dodgeball is a good one. It's just.
[00:26:36] Speaker B: It's a feel good story.
[00:26:37] Speaker A: A feel good story. It's like the Bad News Bears. But dodgeball.
But they win.
[00:26:42] Speaker B: Well, when we left Jamie last time, he was in a building with the reporter guy. Yes, right.
[00:26:50] Speaker A: With Stinger, Stringer.
[00:26:51] Speaker B: Everything was crashing Down.
[00:26:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:53] Speaker B: Yep.
And we get.
He's in the fire.
[00:26:57] Speaker A: Oh, gosh.
[00:26:58] Speaker B: And we get him saying, I've read that going in. Going up in flames is absolutely the worst way to die.
[00:27:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:27:05] Speaker B: Get a little recap here. I'm Jamie Madrox, the multiple man mutant turned private detective at a sideline. I send my dupes out into the world to learn things and then rejoin with me, so their knowledge is mine.
That way I can experience, well, everything. In this case, though, when it comes to learning firsthand the truth about being incinerated, it's one thing that I have no burning desire to experience.
[00:27:30] Speaker A: I don't think anybody wants to have that.
No. It's a bad, bad, bad.
[00:27:40] Speaker B: While Jamie is wandering through the fire.
[00:27:42] Speaker A: Pork chop sandwiches.
[00:27:45] Speaker B: Yeah. He gets hit by some. Wow.
He gets hit by a beam. That makes more Jamies.
[00:27:52] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. There's so many Jamies.
[00:27:55] Speaker B: And then Jamie's are. Are dying.
[00:27:58] Speaker A: Yeah. He gets to experience Jamie in a fire.
[00:28:01] Speaker B: Oh, my God.
But if he doesn't reabsorb the Jamie, then does that really happen?
[00:28:06] Speaker A: No, he gets. He doesn't. I think he. No, maybe. Does he?
[00:28:10] Speaker B: But then we go back to the reveal A few hours ago.
[00:28:15] Speaker A: A few hours ago, when he meets.
[00:28:17] Speaker B: His other Jamie, that was in control.
Now, did I jump ahead? Did we not leave him off in a fire? Did we leave off where he met Jamie?
[00:28:23] Speaker A: He met Jamie. He wasn't in the fire yet.
It was a. It was like a smash.
If you were. If it was.
[00:28:30] Speaker B: I'm jumping ahead.
[00:28:30] Speaker A: It was a movie. It was a smash cut to a fire.
[00:28:33] Speaker B: I'm jumping ahead. My bad.
[00:28:35] Speaker A: It's okay.
[00:28:35] Speaker B: It's because I've read the story.
[00:28:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:28:37] Speaker B: I know what happens.
[00:28:38] Speaker A: Your brain.
[00:28:38] Speaker B: I get confused.
[00:28:39] Speaker A: Your brain.
[00:28:39] Speaker B: I'm old.
[00:28:40] Speaker A: I. I had to actually go back because I was like, did I miss something?
What's going on?
[00:28:47] Speaker B: But we go back to the Jamies, where the one Jamie broke the other Jamie's fingers, who was trying to rescue the other Jamie from the swimming pool.
[00:28:53] Speaker A: He was in Risk.
[00:28:54] Speaker B: We've got.
[00:28:54] Speaker A: He was trying to.
[00:28:55] Speaker B: We've got mean gangster guy.
We've got fiance Sheila.
We've got.
What's this guy's name again?
[00:29:03] Speaker A: Assassin guy.
[00:29:05] Speaker B: I'm assassin guy.
[00:29:06] Speaker A: It's. Yes.
[00:29:08] Speaker B: I keep wanting to call him Brick, but that's not his name.
[00:29:10] Speaker A: It's not his name. I. They say his name later.
[00:29:12] Speaker B: That's a Green Arrow. That's a Green Arrow villain. Clay. Clay. That's why I was trying to call him Brick. See, because he's Clay.
[00:29:18] Speaker A: Clay. Bricks are made of clay.
Did you ever go.
[00:29:21] Speaker B: We had brick over in Green Arrow. You have clay over here.
[00:29:24] Speaker A: Did you ever go to the brick factory as a field trip when you were a kid?
Man, it was so cool. When I was a kid, I wanted to, like, work at the brick factory. It seems so cool just making bricks.
[00:29:35] Speaker B: All day while it's. I mean, it probably seemed cool.
[00:29:38] Speaker A: It did.
I don't know. I mean, that's how my brain works. I'm like, make it shoot me now.
[00:29:44] Speaker B: The ads are still intrusive in this.
[00:29:46] Speaker A: Okay, what's the next ad?
[00:29:48] Speaker B: Now, remember I was telling you the. They started advertising good movies?
[00:29:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:29:53] Speaker B: I. I lied.
[00:29:54] Speaker A: Oh, what day? What?
Oh, Elektra.
I mean, yeah, you watch. You watch Daredevil before, and you're like, oh, yes, they're gonna bring Elektra in. And then you watch Elektra and you're like.
[00:30:17] Speaker B: I think it's. I think what's frustrating is you had very good source material, and if you would have followed the source material. Yeah, well, Bullseye is really lame, actually, in the movie.
[00:30:28] Speaker A: I. I was like.
[00:30:29] Speaker B: I was super excited. Bullseye is lame in the.
[00:30:31] Speaker A: In the.
[00:30:31] Speaker B: His kiss. We've discussed this. His costume is stupid.
[00:30:34] Speaker A: Well, it is.
[00:30:34] Speaker B: It has a bull, an expert marksman. But you can shoot him on the forehead because why would. If you were trying to. If. Yeah. Why would you put a target on your brain where people would shoot you? That doesn't make sense.
[00:30:46] Speaker A: Doesn't make any sense. I. I don't know. Like, I. I was excited. Jennifer Garner. I'm like, yeah. At the time was like, oh, this is cool. I just watched a bunch of, like, her show and stuff like that, and this is cool. And at the time, I was, like, jazzed. And, yeah, there was some moments where I was like, okay. And please.
[00:31:06] Speaker B: Well, even better. Yeah, we flip the page, and we get to go back to the story. Okay.
[00:31:10] Speaker A: Yes, back.
[00:31:11] Speaker B: And the Jamies are arguing.
[00:31:12] Speaker A: Yes, they're arguing.
Two Jamies going to the room when Jamie leaves.
[00:31:18] Speaker B: One Jamie is like, man, I'm the only detective who should have been issued a psychiatrist couch alongside his license.
And the other Jamie's like, not everything about you is hot shot. The fact you should have never gotten involved with her.
So Jamie is mad at Jamie for wanting to get involved with Sheila.
And then the other Jamie's like, let's go of her. There's nothing going on between us. Nothing. And then she's like, we're married. I'm like, What? That. Okay, married.
He didn't remember that. It's apparently happening.
[00:31:59] Speaker A: They're married.
[00:32:00] Speaker B: And it's. Oh, you're messaging listener Jason as we speak.
[00:32:05] Speaker A: That's what's going on in the background.
Listener Jason has messaged us, and he. And he said just so everyone else can know, because, you know, he's like, happy fourth and covering the fourth issue, so.
[00:32:21] Speaker B: Okay, well, anyway, back to the podcast. That people had no idea why this conversation was happening. That I just cut an interlude to.
[00:32:29] Speaker A: Why not?
It's fun.
[00:32:31] Speaker B: We are who we. Hey, it's real life, real times here.
[00:32:35] Speaker A: Yeah, man.
[00:32:36] Speaker B: You just get the reality sometimes.
[00:32:38] Speaker A: We've had shows call in, try to.
[00:32:41] Speaker B: Well, not on purpose.
So give.
By the way, now I'm distracted. Shout out to Travis. I thought I was gonna run to Las Vegas and hang out with Travis, and then was trying to book the trip right over my Superman tickets.
[00:32:58] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh.
[00:33:00] Speaker B: So now I have to find another time to go visit Travis. Travis, I'm sorry. I was excited, and so I'll find a different.
[00:33:07] Speaker A: A different day. Can't. Can't go.
[00:33:09] Speaker B: But yeah.
So anyway, we get a whole discussion of these guys.
We don't know what's happening. And then Sheila's trying to justify back to mean gangster guy what's going on. That's Eddie.
[00:33:24] Speaker A: Eddie.
[00:33:25] Speaker B: And he's just like, shut up, shut up, shut up. I hate everyone.
And I said all. And then that's what I will say about these 2000s comics, man. The advertisements are very intrusive. We've mentioned that.
Now you get iRobot.
[00:33:38] Speaker A: Ow.
Yeah. I mean, better or worse than Electra?
Better than Electra.
Better than Electra.
Although I feel like we're.
Yeah, yeah, we'll just. We'll leave it at that. Better than Electra.
[00:34:02] Speaker B: Better than a life air. We flip the page and boom. Because we get no page number. So if you're looking in the comic, you're looking after the iRobot ad.
That's a new thing we could do with these comics. There's so many ads in them. We could just. Instead of telling people where page numbers are, we can just tell them which ad to look for, and then they could go to the page to find it.
[00:34:24] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, you can do that.
You can do that.
[00:34:28] Speaker B: But anyway, this Jamie wants to shoot the other Jamie with a gun. Oh, this is not going well.
Why doesn't he just reabsorb? Well, anyway, and Jamie's again thinking about all the things when I absorb the Shaolin dup, a certain Amount of enlightenment came with it.
The dao, the teachings, the understanding, the acceptance of the yin and the yang, the following, the Eightfold path. Be your own light, your own refuge. And the other, Jamie, is like, goodbye, dad.
And then we get disrupted with an advertisement for the Incredibles. Oh, the game.
[00:35:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, the game. Yeah. Yeah, good, good game.
[00:35:10] Speaker B: We're just popping by that because we analyzed that last week.
[00:35:13] Speaker A: I'm finding my center so I can absorb.
[00:35:17] Speaker B: Yeah. And then Jamie just absorbs himself from across the room.
[00:35:22] Speaker A: He just, he just, just grabs him.
[00:35:25] Speaker B: Just.
It's takes care of that threat.
[00:35:28] Speaker A: Yeah, right in.
[00:35:31] Speaker B: And he grabs Sheila to go for the honeymoon. We get another advertisement.
[00:35:39] Speaker A: What's it like? What's the advertisement for?
[00:35:41] Speaker B: I hope they got paid. Well, it's. It's for a pretty shitty movie.
That was a joke.
[00:35:47] Speaker A: Oh. Oh.
[00:35:49] Speaker B: One Napoleon Dynamite.
So now we actually have a question for you.
[00:35:54] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:35:56] Speaker B: Yeah, because these are so good. Now. Napoleon Dynamite or dodgeball? Oh, man.
[00:36:01] Speaker A: You know, I'm a, I'm a Napoleon Dynamite guy when it comes to it, honestly. Like, I. We had at the house, we had for a long time Napoleon Dynamite fighting Godzilla with a bunch of tots around him as a, as. As a centerpiece display. And then there was a, A big thing like, you know, Ann and I are Napoleon Dynamite people. So.
[00:36:31] Speaker B: I mean, that's, that's fair. I. I will just say for me, dodgeball, a movie I can watch over and over and over again.
Napoleon Dynamite, a movie I watch once and go. It's really clever.
[00:36:42] Speaker A: Oh, wow.
I. I mean, I can, I can see that. But it's also like a snapshot of. I mean, I. Okay, think about this and, and I'll put it into perspective. That might, Might also make it so that you're like. That's probably why you're like, okay, that's clever. And I can only watch it once and be like, done with it.
[00:37:08] Speaker B: Why? Didn't say only watch it once. You watch it once. You get the joke. Yeah, it's good.
[00:37:12] Speaker A: I feel like Napoleon Dynamite is a snapshot of small town anywhere. And we grew up in small town anywhere until it became a big town and we knew a Napoleon Dynamite.
Yes.
And we lived that.
That experience.
[00:37:39] Speaker B: And then moved away.
[00:37:40] Speaker A: Yes. To another small town.
Yeah.
[00:37:44] Speaker B: Many small towns.
[00:37:45] Speaker A: Many small towns. And continue to be Napoleon Dynamites.
[00:37:49] Speaker B: We get another ad.
[00:37:51] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:37:52] Speaker B: For.
This is a two page ad for Anti Grab.
[00:37:56] Speaker A: Anti Grab. Is that a video game? What is that?
[00:37:59] Speaker B: What?
I have no idea what this is.
[00:38:03] Speaker A: Is it. Is that a PlayStation 2 game?
[00:38:06] Speaker B: Yes, it is.
[00:38:07] Speaker A: Is. It is that racing game.
[00:38:11] Speaker B: It comes with an eye toy, USB camera and.
[00:38:14] Speaker A: Okay. Oh, yeah, I think it's a.
I think it's a. One of those ones where you. You have to move to get. It's like a. Like a hoverboard game or something like that, if I remember.
[00:38:28] Speaker B: Well, I just want to say that we got one page of story in four pages here.
[00:38:31] Speaker A: Good Lord. You also got some questions.
I don't know if you want to check your messages, but.
[00:38:37] Speaker B: Well, hang on, hang on the questions.
[00:38:39] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:38:39] Speaker B: Hang on the questions.
[00:38:40] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:38:40] Speaker B: So Jamie jumps out. This is actually a really cool scene, which annoys me that it's like meshed among all these ads.
[00:38:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:47] Speaker B: Oh, Jamie jumps with Sheila and then rolls down the hill and creates a billion Jamies to land on top of. Yeah, it's.
[00:38:53] Speaker A: It's a cool. Like, that panel is rad. There's so many Jamies and it's a huge hill.
It's like a.
[00:39:01] Speaker B: And we get another advertisement.
[00:39:03] Speaker A: It's like one of those slides you go down as a kid, like one of those really long slides. It like burns you when it's hot, but it's just all Jamie's. So that'd probably burn you because he's hot.
Yep.
[00:39:17] Speaker B: And then, and then, and then, and then we get another advertisement. One is to buy support Ang San Su Ki, which was in Burma, which in retrospect.
[00:39:37] Speaker A: Well, you know. Yeah, Yeah.
[00:39:38] Speaker B: I mean, we don't always get it right.
[00:39:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:39:40] Speaker B: With international politics.
[00:39:41] Speaker A: Right.
[00:39:43] Speaker B: I mean, she did sub good things and then some not so well. Anyway.
And then advertisement for spongebob season one again. Hey, spongebob.
And then another two page advertisement.
I can't joke about this.
This is insane.
[00:40:00] Speaker A: Marvel's getting that money.
[00:40:02] Speaker B: These comics are impossible to read.
[00:40:03] Speaker A: What was that advertisement for? That's a spread advert.
[00:40:06] Speaker B: Final Fantasy 1 and 2, dawn of Souls.
[00:40:09] Speaker A: Good Lord.
[00:40:11] Speaker B: On the Game Boy advance.
[00:40:13] Speaker A: Yeah, I was gonna say that's a. That's a GBA game.
And it's a.
If you're playing Final Fantasy on a gba, you must love Final Fantasy. Boy, oh, boy. Tiny, tiny, tiny pixel screen.
But great. If you're just going on the going and just playing in the pocket. So.
[00:40:33] Speaker B: Well, we finally get back to the story and the jimmies are all in the woods.
And then he absorbs all the dupes that just bounced down the thing and he says, I've never reabsorbed that many dupes in one shot before. It was like looking in a hundred directions at Once.
[00:40:53] Speaker A: Dang.
[00:40:53] Speaker B: He's like, hey, that was trippy. So clearly better than mushrooms.
We go back to the sub story. We're back to New York. Halfway through the issue. Approximately. I'm not sure because I don't have page numbers, but it looks like approximately.
[00:41:05] Speaker A: Approximately. Halfway. Halfway. Yeah.
[00:41:07] Speaker B: Actually it is exactly halfway through the issue because I can see the staples.
[00:41:11] Speaker A: When I hit this part of the book. I almost forgot this was happening.
[00:41:15] Speaker B: Yeah, well, you don't have all the advertisements.
[00:41:18] Speaker A: I don't.
[00:41:19] Speaker B: You're reading it online. I know.
[00:41:19] Speaker A: Yeah. So.
[00:41:20] Speaker B: But I have.
So you're just getting to read right through.
And. And. And if you're looking on the thing, you can actually see the staples. So I can tell it's the middle. Yeah, that's. That's how you can see. That's how cool I am. I have staples in my comics.
[00:41:34] Speaker A: Staples in this comics, people.
[00:41:37] Speaker B: Not everybody has staples in their comics.
Actually, everybody has staples in their comics.
So we get to.
We get back to Mutant Town. Rain is looking out for Jamie. We had Guido back on the ground after being blasted by that lady out of the building.
Rain is tracking down the ghost body of the paralyzed husband who we think is cheating. And she's tracking that person.
[00:42:04] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:42:05] Speaker B: Through the city.
And then we get more advertisements.
[00:42:10] Speaker A: More advertisements.
[00:42:13] Speaker B: Yeah. So you're gonna make fun of me for not knowing what this game is.
Is that Borderlands?
[00:42:18] Speaker A: No, it's not Borderlands. That's.
Hold on a second. Oh, man. I want to say it's a PlayStation game.
[00:42:25] Speaker B: Our victory is imminent.
[00:42:27] Speaker A: Is that PlayStation 3? Does it say.
[00:42:31] Speaker B: It does not say it. That's all it says.
Oh, it's on the other page. Kills.
[00:42:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I was gonna say Killzone, because there's a marvel.
[00:42:38] Speaker B: The cup of Joe's here by Jo Cassada.
[00:42:40] Speaker A: It's actually. That's. That's. That's.
[00:42:42] Speaker B: I played.
[00:42:43] Speaker A: I. I have all those games and.
[00:42:47] Speaker B: Well, there you go.
[00:42:48] Speaker A: I will say I. I mean, if you want my rating on it. It's. It's a game that I played through.
[00:42:53] Speaker B: It's a.
[00:42:55] Speaker A: If you want to kill space Nazis, which.
Which was fun.
[00:43:04] Speaker B: Well, we get the cup of Joe segment by Joe Cassada where he's talking about x23 and Peter David and stuff.
By the way. Thank you. First appearance of X23, a comic book. I didn't really want that. I bought for 299, had graded and sold for $998.
It's.
[00:43:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I remember that.
[00:43:28] Speaker B: That doesn't happen very often in my collection. But probably spent. I probably spent $50,000 on comics in my life. But there was one time, that one time when I bought that one comic for 299. And.
[00:43:41] Speaker A: And I will say I. I was. I was conflicted with you doing the grading on it, but I'm glad that you did.
[00:43:49] Speaker B: Well, I also graded the second appearance and got, what, 300 bucks on that one back, too, so.
Well, I graded at a 9.8. Who knew? Who knew?
Anyway, Rain is tracking down this person.
[00:44:10] Speaker A: Tracking, tracking.
[00:44:12] Speaker B: And he goes and meets his lover.
[00:44:20] Speaker A: Meeting that lava.
[00:44:21] Speaker B: Kim, the guy, not Kim, the girl. So the wife was wrong.
[00:44:24] Speaker A: Whoa.
[00:44:27] Speaker B: And then realizes he's being spied on.
[00:44:31] Speaker A: Oh, dun, dun, dun.
[00:44:34] Speaker B: And the dark side of Private Detective being. I guess.
[00:44:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Got caught.
[00:44:38] Speaker B: He starts running away.
[00:44:39] Speaker A: An HD or. Well, I mean, at this time, it was.
[00:44:44] Speaker B: And then we get an advertisement, and then we get another two page advertisement to disrupt the story for jak3jack3 the.
[00:44:53] Speaker A: Yeah, that's actually. That's a fun game too. That's a good one.
[00:44:57] Speaker B: Yeah. People love that series.
[00:44:58] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. I mean, it's. It's. The character looks cool. The gameplay is fun.
It's just a. Just a cool world to run around in.
[00:45:08] Speaker B: Then we're back to the outskirts of Chicago. I'm sure Chicagoans would not kill. Call this Chicago. In fact, I've never seen a road like this in Chicago with this many trees. It's this away from the city.
[00:45:18] Speaker A: So you got to be far up in North Chicago. North Chicago? Yeah.
[00:45:24] Speaker B: You got to be like Pratt in Milwaukee.
[00:45:26] Speaker A: That's in Wisconsin. Yeah, there's not even. That's, That's. That's even further up. That's in north North Wisconsin.
[00:45:36] Speaker B: Isn't that in Chicago, then? Milwaukee?
[00:45:39] Speaker A: Well, yeah, but I mean, that's Chicago.
[00:45:42] Speaker B: Like, if you're going to Milwaukee and it's too expensive to fly to Milwaukee, you can fly to Chicago.
[00:45:47] Speaker A: But Milwaukee is in Wisconsin.
[00:45:52] Speaker B: Or is it millywaque?
[00:45:54] Speaker A: Millerwaque. Yes.
[00:45:55] Speaker B: The Algonquin word for Milwaukee.
[00:45:58] Speaker A: The good.
Yes.
How did you know that?
[00:46:05] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:46:05] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:46:07] Speaker B: We're not worthy.
[00:46:08] Speaker A: We're not worthy. We're not worthy. We saw Mad.
[00:46:14] Speaker B: See, sometimes I can pull the references out.
[00:46:17] Speaker A: Ah, good. Wayne and Garth moment.
[00:46:22] Speaker B: Anyway. All right, well, he's saying, Look, Mrs. Madrox, before this gets out of hand. Okay, More about out of hand than already.
We're having a. A whole discussion. And he reveals that her. Jamie was stabbed.
[00:46:42] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:46:43] Speaker B: She's like, oh, my God.
She's like. My guess, it would be Clay he does all the bad things that Clay.
[00:46:51] Speaker A: Always the bad guy.
[00:46:52] Speaker B: And she's like, yeah, he did. Nowadays, he plays everything close to the vest. Okay, this is Eddie she's talking about. She's like. Care to elaborate? He said, she says, this is Sheila. He's had sources telling him, for the past year, mutants have been trying to clear out all the Chicago bosses who he. The mutant, could take over. Sources who have since disappeared. So, no, Eddie's taking it seriously. And other bosses have been going, so they're blaming the mutants. Eddie blames this mystery mutant. He says, it's like the guy reads minds, knowing what everybody's up to. Oh, is that our fair reporter they're referring to?
And then Jamie says, son of a. Oh, starting to put it together. They end up at the sun and Sand Motel with air conditioning, AARP discounts cable tv, and a continental breakfast.
[00:47:46] Speaker A: Yeah, because, you know.
[00:47:47] Speaker B: And a Jacuzzi.
[00:47:48] Speaker A: Oh, nice.
[00:47:51] Speaker B: And as sir used to tell us, that's our old mentor.
If you're at a hotel and the doors open to the outside, that's a motel.
And this one is called a motel. Hey, if the door's open to the inside, it's a hotel. And if you call yourself a hotel and your door is open to the outside, you're not a hotel.
[00:48:10] Speaker A: You're a motel.
[00:48:11] Speaker B: You're a motel.
So it's.
Why are we stopping here? And he says, it's where I'm staying. Go in and ask for a room key. I'm checked in under the name Legion.
[00:48:28] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:48:32] Speaker B: I don't want Legion showing up in this series.
Now, the Legion showing up could be an interesting inter.
Inter. Company crossover.
[00:48:42] Speaker A: It could be wild.
[00:48:43] Speaker B: I also don't want Legion showing up in the series at all.
[00:48:46] Speaker A: Why not, Dan?
[00:48:49] Speaker B: Well, one, I don't like the character ever. Yeah, never have I. Two, don't name things after what I like and then make them bad characters, bad characters.
[00:49:00] Speaker A: Didn't like the TV show.
[00:49:02] Speaker B: She's like, legion. I don't understand.
Sheila says. And I say, neither does D.C. editorial. So it's.
Well, don't sweat it. You. They got salt. They have cell phones. See, they're more advanced than me at this point. Yeah, in history.
Well, anyway, he's talking to Stringer and he's got to meet him because he's discovered that maybe Stringer is the one that's been plotting all this by reading people's minds and doing stories.
And we flash back to New York.
Rain is trying to follow. Our rain is now being attacked by.
[00:49:47] Speaker A: The by the smokey guy, the ghost man. I don't know which. Is he ethereal? I don't know. He's ethereal.
[00:49:57] Speaker B: Apparently not too ethereal because he slices his neck.
[00:50:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
Gets him.
[00:50:04] Speaker B: And he dies.
[00:50:07] Speaker A: It's like when you die, like in a dream and you don't wake up.
[00:50:13] Speaker B: That's what happened.
[00:50:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:15] Speaker B: And he's bleeding out.
[00:50:16] Speaker A: So that's.
[00:50:17] Speaker B: And how Freddy got the kids.
Rain is not.
Wow. She's. Oh, that's what she says. Oh.
[00:50:27] Speaker A: Oh, I made a mistake.
[00:50:29] Speaker B: Oh, spaghetti house now. It was nice. It was nice to have a few pages of story not interrupted by a commercial.
[00:50:34] Speaker A: And then you got a commercial.
[00:50:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, we get an advertisement for mercenaries. Playground of destruction. This looks just like a game I would never play.
[00:50:44] Speaker A: No. Okay, so I'm going to tell you, it is on my stupid.
It was one of those things I played one of my friends wanted because you could play multiplayer.
You can tag team and stuff like that. And it was like a bunch of like little side missions and stuff. So you don't play the game. Like you're supposed to play the game and just go around and just be dumb about stuff. It's dumb fun.
It is. It's an interesting game, but it's. Yeah, it, it's. It's made to be goofy in a sense. You know, it's a very tongue in cheek, kind of like a. Like a GTA game. So I'll leave it at that. Okay.
[00:51:30] Speaker B: Oh, it sounds amazing. Yeah, sounds right up my alley.
[00:51:33] Speaker A: Oh, totally up your alley.
[00:51:34] Speaker B: You hit all the high point. You hit all the high points there. Gta.
[00:51:37] Speaker A: I know.
[00:51:38] Speaker B: Favorite.
[00:51:38] Speaker A: Exactly. Ever.
Yeah, yeah. Slapping those and hoes, you know, I mean, it's, it's. Those are your favorite things.
[00:51:49] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, GTA great.
Teaching morality and values since it was invented.
Well, anyway, we flipped the page. We're back to Chicago and oh, Madrox is talking to Stringer now and he's blaming Stringer for all the violence and everything and Stringer's really pissed. And then a fire lights in the building and they're in a death trap and we get back to where the beginning of the comic was.
We flip the page, we get an ad for Westfield Comics.
[00:52:26] Speaker A: Oh, cool.
[00:52:26] Speaker B: And honestly, thank you, Westfield Comics for giving me my comics when I lived in the middle of nowhere in Kentucky.
[00:52:33] Speaker A: They got them to you before I.
[00:52:34] Speaker B: Moved to the middle of nowhere in Mississippi and found a comic shop in Hattiesburg and started buying from them.
You remember that story? Not to get too distracted, but I went From Westfield. Who. They were great, by the way. I should have just kept ordering from them, but I went to.
And then I went to Hattiesburg, and there were two comic shops there. Yeah, well, one was like a coin in comic shop, and then the other one was like a traditional comic shop.
And I go to the comic shop, and they are just assholes.
And then other people I'd talked to in the town said they would take books out of your.
Out of your monthly polls if they were valuable and then sell them back to you at a higher price.
[00:53:11] Speaker A: What?
[00:53:13] Speaker B: So I signed up at this little comic shop nobody else went to.
Yeah, I mean, some people went there, but they made me a box. And they were a coin dealer, too. And it was just this family that ran it, and they were, like, super cool. They would give me extra stuff all day.
[00:53:26] Speaker A: Oh, wow.
Good customer service, man.
[00:53:30] Speaker B: So they were like, oh, hey, we got this other cover. Do you want it?
Like, sure. Here. We'll just. Just take it.
[00:53:36] Speaker A: Wow, man.
[00:53:38] Speaker B: And. And that is where I would have bought my ex. That. That Nyx, but because that was in that pristine condition because they were dealing with. Anyway, very different. Well, anyway, we get back. Fire is happening. Stay back.
Somebody comes in and murders Stringer.
[00:54:00] Speaker A: Stringer gets checked.
[00:54:04] Speaker B: It looks like it's X23.
No, that's a different noise. That's a skeleton.
It's not a snake.
Yeah, it's SK.
Here, I'll hold it up for the readers. S, K, K, L, N, K, T.
Y' all can see that it's not a.
[00:54:21] Speaker A: It's not a snake.
[00:54:22] Speaker B: It's not a snaked. It's a different. Yeah, it's a skin. It's not a wolverine.
[00:54:28] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, something.
[00:54:32] Speaker B: And. And we flash back, and she was buttoning up her shirt. What was going on back there with Cleaton, with Clay?
[00:54:38] Speaker A: I don't know, man.
[00:54:40] Speaker B: Glaze back.
[00:54:40] Speaker A: Clay's back.
[00:54:43] Speaker B: I do think it's funny that there's, like, a brick over in Green Arrow around this time who's, like, the same color. Yeah.
But older. And all, you know, bowed out and swollen. And Clay here is the same color and.
Yeah. Anyway, we get an advertisement again for Crusade, your favorite series ever.
[00:55:05] Speaker A: Oh, yes.
No.
[00:55:08] Speaker B: So we do go downhill by the end. And then back to Fable. Hey, and looks. Looks like Mad Rocks is in bad shape here. They've killed the reporter.
Clearly it wasn't the reporter. It sounds like Mad Rocks has been duped.
[00:55:22] Speaker A: Duped.
[00:55:23] Speaker B: Duped by Sheila.
[00:55:25] Speaker A: Mad Rocks is duped. He.
[00:55:27] Speaker B: The duper got duped And I'm putting the comic book back in its magical bag.
[00:55:32] Speaker A: Magical.
[00:55:33] Speaker B: Greg. Well, yeah, good story.
[00:55:36] Speaker A: So good story. I mean, like, so far, great advertisements. Advertisements on point. Oh, my gosh. No, I mean, advertisements aside. Story.
Peter David out of the park kept me engaged.
Like, the whole thing all the way through. I. Twists and turns here and there.
Just like, even with the, The.
The sub story and stuff like that, too, is just like, there's all these different elements that. That fall into place and make you really think a lot of. A lot of movement going on through the story.
And it's. It's just like great storytelling in that. And then the visual storytelling through the. The art is just amazing.
Just like, they really draw your attention to all these different details.
So if you haven't read this book and you. And you're hearing us just talk about it, you should definitely take a look at it yourself, because the details that they, that they put into these things are just great. Like, that whole entire chain of Mad Rocks is on the. On the hill just. Is just a neat panel.
And the way they. They put different things together just really make everything flow so well, as you're reading through the different bits of things and you're just like, okay, okay. I don't know what to do first. Do I read this or do I look at all the cool art? Because it's all there, married up.
[00:57:15] Speaker B: So, yeah, I. I like it.
[00:57:18] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:57:21] Speaker B: So we will do one listener question, only one live, as we did the podcast. Yeah, there are several, but I'm not doing all.
[00:57:27] Speaker A: You're not doing them all?
[00:57:28] Speaker B: I will answer that. No, I will answer the first one.
[00:57:31] Speaker A: Okay, the first one.
[00:57:32] Speaker B: So the question was with Learn a Durgo, and that is. That is triplicate girl slash duo, damsel or triad, depending on which version of Legion you're reading, versus Jamie Madrox versus Duplicate from Invincible.
Who would win?
I mean, the answer is very simple. Jamie would win because number one. Well, actually, I'm gonna put a caveat in that. It depends on the version of Learn a Dorgo. So in the Archie Legion and the Three Boot Legion and the original Legion, Lorna could only go in up to three, so I don't think she's probably winning.
Duplicate is a riff character off of the Jamie Madrox character who magically is Chinese and has mixed martial arts abilities. And I'm not going to go into the racist implications of having somebody that can duplicate multiples being Chinese. I don't even want to, like, like, get into that, actually. I did. So I'm just gonna say I'm gonna go with Jamie because I'm gonna go with the less racist character on this one.
Also, Duplicate hasn't shown any ability to absorb the other, like, things like Jamie does, where he sends dupes out and they learn things and they come back and he knows stuff.
However, Duplicate maybe could win because maybe she doesn't have the internal angst between the clones. But I'm probably going to say Jamie on that one.
On that.
Because Duplicate is a derivative. Derivative. Okay, Derivative.
[00:59:17] Speaker A: Derivative.
[00:59:19] Speaker B: Character of Jamie.
Because obviously a lot of the invincible characters are riffs on other characters, and so I.
[00:59:28] Speaker A: See.
[00:59:29] Speaker B: I'll go with the original over the derivative. Okay, but.
And the less racist of the two, Fair.
Now, in the Three Boot Legion, the Mark Wade Legion.
[00:59:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:59:44] Speaker B: When he relaunched it around this time, learned Durgo, actually Triplicate Girl had a whole planet of herself.
[00:59:54] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:59:57] Speaker B: So that character probably defeats both.
[01:00:01] Speaker A: Okay.
Because her whole planet comes to.
[01:00:05] Speaker B: Is just her.
[01:00:06] Speaker A: Just her doing.
[01:00:09] Speaker B: Yeah. So, I mean, she's learned economics, politics, manufacturing.
I mean, I. I just. I mean, Jamie knows a lot, but I don't know that he knows the entire economics of running a whole planet and integrating with the United Planets and all the, you know, having to do all the things. So I. I would. Yeah. I would argue that she probably could beat both of them.
[01:00:30] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, one Madrax versus the whole entire pop. Whole entire planetary population is that.
I don't think he can. I think he would be very tired.
[01:00:41] Speaker B: Yeah. And single functioning.
I will say good on Peter for stealing. And he may have come up with this on his own, but I'm pretty sure Peter David followed Legion.
[01:00:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:00:55] Speaker B: The derivative for Jamie's multiple personalities in.
I think it was Jeff Moet.
Or was it. Well, I have to look this up. But in the 90s, triplicate girl set Triad. So when they did the Archie Legion, they started with the idea that she had the three bodies, and each of the three bodies had distinct personalities.
And actually, Jim Shooter did a story on this a long, long time ago. So duo damsel, one of the duplicates, they split. One went on a mission and one stayed home, and the other one, like, fell in with the wrong crowd and was dating, like, this crazy man. So actually, call back to Jim Shooter kind of had that original idea.
And then when they went back and did the Legion, they gave her three different. So when they. After they relaunched the Legion after Zero Hour, Triad ended up having three separate personalities when she split.
[01:01:59] Speaker A: Okay.
[01:02:00] Speaker B: So one was a more aggressive One was a more shy. And then you had been TRIAD neutral. There was kind of a combination of both.
So that does sound a little bit like. Not the going out and finding stuff, but that does sound a little bit like what Peter David was doing with the fighting between the Jamies.
[01:02:20] Speaker A: Huh.
[01:02:22] Speaker B: And they did do a whole Legion story where that became an issue for Triad.
And so. And then later on they did it again. But we're not worried about later on because Tom McCraw. Sorry, I said the wrong person. Tom McCra created with Mark Wade and Sturdy.
I never say his name. Right.
Yeah, great. I mean, I. I won't say great artist. Interesting artist. Not my favorite.
[01:02:55] Speaker A: Not your favorite.
Okay.
[01:02:57] Speaker B: I mean, I don't want to. I would totally buy a print from him.
So here's. Here's where I'm gonna be a hypocrite. I would totally go buy a print from you. Stewart, just your lead. The Legion art wasn't my favorite, but other things you have done are truly amazing. So.
Yeah. And I would probably buy a Legion print from him.
[01:03:18] Speaker A: Fair. Fair.
[01:03:19] Speaker B: But it's.
[01:03:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:03:25] Speaker B: Anyway, he's done such so many amazing things, so I don't want to get into that. I'm getting distracted now.
[01:03:31] Speaker A: That's all right.
[01:03:32] Speaker B: Like normal by Jason's question.
[01:03:34] Speaker A: But, yeah, that's why he did it.
So.
[01:03:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
Anyway.
Yeah, right over there.
[01:03:46] Speaker A: I got the hiccups.
[01:03:48] Speaker B: Troubles. Okay. Well, anyway, it's. I think we're done.
[01:03:52] Speaker A: I think we're done with this issue. This issue and this episode.
But.
[01:03:57] Speaker B: But one more to advertise.
[01:03:59] Speaker A: Oh, we gotta advertise.
[01:04:01] Speaker B: Yeah, we.
Well, we got.
[01:04:03] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[01:04:04] Speaker B: We have Mad Rocks number five. We're doing next.
[01:04:05] Speaker A: Come on back.
[01:04:06] Speaker B: Also, you can see Greg at the Retro Emporium in Kent, Washington.
[01:04:10] Speaker A: It's true. You can. With our new extended hours. That's right, folks, at the Retro Emporium. Where Dan.
[01:04:17] Speaker B: On Meeker street in Kent, Washington.
[01:04:19] Speaker A: That's right.
We are open until 8 o' clock Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
[01:04:28] Speaker B: Wow.
[01:04:28] Speaker A: I know.
So we are. We're.
[01:04:31] Speaker B: You might. You can see Greg there on some days, but not on Tuesdays and.
[01:04:36] Speaker A: No, you can see me on Tuesdays. Most.
[01:04:39] Speaker B: No, because we. We record the podcast on Tuesdays.
[01:04:42] Speaker A: We have to talk about that, Dan.
[01:04:45] Speaker B: So you will not see Greg.
So the podcast is ending. So you can see Greg at the Retro.
[01:04:51] Speaker A: But this last episode of the Pod. No, we're. We. We just had to revise our recording schedule and then. Yeah.
[01:05:00] Speaker B: So. All right. And then you can also buy some books from Greg, you can support the Kickstarter, obviously, for Starlight if I get this podcast out, but you have very limited time. So if you're gonna buy the. If you're gonna buy the full on extra special features, have seen some of the things Travis has posted stuff, flipped through it. We reposted some of it. It looks pretty amazing. If you want to get that, I would go get it.
But support it, like literally after you hear us talking about it, because it will be done.
[01:05:30] Speaker A: It'll be done.
[01:05:31] Speaker B: So also, yeah, also you have another.
[01:05:36] Speaker A: Book, Absolute Zeros, Camp Launchpad, a great summertime read for your kiddos or even yourself. It's a middle reader and it is a fun science, science book sciency book about a bunch of kids that go to a space summer camp and learn about space and all the things that it takes to get to space while learning about friendship even though they don't get along.
[01:06:06] Speaker B: And as far as I'm concerned, you will not see me all summer. I'm hiding in the bunker. So you can go see Greg.
[01:06:12] Speaker A: You can see me.
[01:06:12] Speaker B: But yeah, other than that, unless I decide to, like, randomly go visit Travis in Las Vegas or something.
[01:06:18] Speaker A: So you're not going to come see me.
Okay.
Fair. Fair. I guess. Fine. Fine, Dan.
[01:06:27] Speaker B: Now we went out with the other 1800 people and watched wrestling. Yeah, that's true.
[01:06:32] Speaker A: That was good. We could talk about that next episode.
[01:06:35] Speaker B: All right, we already talked about it last episode. Anyway, I'll.
I'll finish this up. All right, we're done. So join us again for another episode. Read ahead. Madrex number five coming out next week. We will talk to you then. Bye.
