Episode Transcript
[00:00:02] Speaker A: You were just saying this cover has nothing to do with the comic book.
[00:00:04] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it has something to do with the comic book. I mean, all that stuff. All those people are in this book, but nothing that is on this cover. It's almost like they sell you on this idea that cap, Wolf, and Wolverine and some new red Wolfenhe and another she wolf and this other, like, burly Wolf. They're all, like. They're all chums and stuff.
[00:00:33] Speaker A: Well, by the way, we're. This is funny book forensics. We're covering Captain America 406, part man and Wolf part five of six. The Red Wolf he's referring to is obviously Wolfsbane, who's an active member of X Factor at the time.
[00:00:47] Speaker B: Yes, yes, yes.
[00:00:49] Speaker A: But, I mean, why she's in the book. I think she was in the first issue getting captured, if I remember correctly.
[00:00:55] Speaker B: I don't think so, because if she was in. She was. She wasn't in. She wasn't. She. That wasn't her. She. That was the wolf in the back of the image, I think, of the COVID wolf. If Wolfsbane was in. In the first book, she would have been, like, wrecking shop on this. This chump of a very bad rendition of our favorite, like. Like, space dude with dolphins.
[00:01:31] Speaker A: Well, Wolfsbane can become a wolf as well as a werewolf and a human, correct.
[00:01:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:39] Speaker A: So it's very interesting, too, if Wolf, Wolfsbane is there, why didn't Wolfsbane just become a human and walk away.
[00:01:47] Speaker B: Blend and run?
[00:01:50] Speaker A: Well, I'm also disappointed to report that I did read the end of the story.
[00:01:58] Speaker B: Oh, no. No spoilers.
[00:02:00] Speaker A: But. But the story doesn't end.
[00:02:02] Speaker B: That's right. I know.
[00:02:04] Speaker A: And there's. There's, like, a half issue more of cap. Wolf to cover.
[00:02:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Which we will.
[00:02:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Because we have to. Yes.
[00:02:13] Speaker B: You are so mad.
[00:02:14] Speaker A: I believe also, the next. That next issue is an Infinity War crossover, which it did not make me excited at all, because Infinity War was not infinity gauntlet.
[00:02:32] Speaker B: It wasn't that.
[00:02:34] Speaker A: It was not. Yeah. Yes.
[00:02:39] Speaker B: I think they were going for that infinity.
[00:02:42] Speaker A: I think I was buffered from all the Infinity wars and gauntlets because I was only reading X Men, so I was buffered from those things.
[00:02:52] Speaker B: So, yeah, I mean, I can hang with that, because I wasn't reading it at the time either, so it wasn't my cup of tea.
[00:03:02] Speaker A: Well, it was definitely my cup of tea. It was not my cup of tea, actually, until I honestly didn't know much about the whole infinity stuff at all.
I didn't know why Thanos was a big deal until much later because I wasn't reading any of it. So you're like, there you go. Take that. Jim Starlin, who we didn't even talk to.
[00:03:23] Speaker B: I know, we just walked right past that dude like, who's that? We already talked to you once. We don't need to.
[00:03:28] Speaker A: We probably should have actually talked to Jim Starlin at some point.
[00:03:31] Speaker B: So it was kind of, I mean he had, he had like three or four people deep.
[00:03:35] Speaker A: Well, by the way, we're referring to summer con. It's, you're going to hear this a few weeks after we went to summer con, but we did talk to Jim Shooter. If you saw our short. Jim Shooter agreed with us that John Byrne just copied all of Dave Cockrum stuff. That was fantastic. He also did say John Byrne has a huge resume and doesn't need to rest his laurels on X Men designs, but definitely said they were Dave cockrums. I was shocked that he was that open with us about it and shared that. So they, it is settled. In fact, Jim Shooter, who wrote comic books with Dave Cockrum and lived at his house. So he might have been a little bit biased but did definitely say that Dave Cockrum was it for the X Men. So our analysis was correct in our previous episodes. That is good. We also met Dan Juergens very briefly. He didn't have much time to talk but he drew a beautiful print for me.
[00:04:34] Speaker B: Is super cool.
My response to you was did not do the picture justice. And I don't even know should you even, do you even expand upon how it was delivered to you?
[00:04:49] Speaker A: I can, yeah. So, well, we, we thought, we thought, well, Dan Juergens told me to pick it up at the end of the day. So we were watching Jim Shooter and it was like 630 and I looked at you and said I gotta go get my art. So I go there to Dan Juergens table and there is no Dan Juergens. Theres no one at the table. So I went over to Randy and Judy Emberlin. If you dont know who Randy Emberlin is, well, he will happily have a big banner that says Spider man artist.
But he inked Mark Bagley.
What are you showing? I cant see it. But yeah.
[00:05:28] Speaker B: To tell me how nice it was to talk to you and spend time with you.
[00:05:33] Speaker A: Oh, did he? Okay, so I, yeah, so Randy was the anchor on Spider man for several years with Mark Bagley and in the nineties and then so Judy, his wife, said they would pick up the print for me and deliver it to my house. So they stopped by and then Randy and I talked in the front yard for like 20 minutes. And then Judy was like, yeah, we gotta go.
You all can talk comics some other time. And I gave them a nice bottle of wine, some popcorn and some cookies for their trip home the next day and got my print from them. And so anyway, spoiler. It very much could happen that Randy Emberlin could end up on Funnybook forensics.
We asked Randy, we asked Randy if he would be interested in doing a show about a comic book that he did that was not so great to kind of continue the theme. And he said to me, I think you were standing there for that part. He said to me, well, I've done many, many clunkers or something to that effect and would be happy to. So we may have to coordinate it. We may have to get him a microphone and stuff, but we may. Or we could do it in the shop next time he comes up.
[00:06:56] Speaker B: But Ron Randall to hang out together, which they do occasionally, I'm sure.
[00:07:01] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, that could be. Well, we also owe a Trekker episode too, for Ron, so. And then we met some other, we met some other folks too. We'll have some, we'll have some reviews of some local comics from the area coming up. So I got to actually email some folks and get the digital copy because I took both hard copies home. But that's okay. It's, uh, yeah, I think, uh, so there's, there's going to be over the next few months, some, some fun stuff coming up. Uh, we will review some indie stuff. Uh, we'll also. But yeah, I mean, I. What a score it would be to get Randy emberlin on the show. He's a delight, uh, to talk to. I used to always joke about Randy because he has a big banner that says Spider man artist. And I used to joke with you and I would say, hasn't he done anything since the nineties? And I always feel guilty about that because he's the nicest human.
[00:07:53] Speaker B: He is the nicest guy. Him and his wife are so they're like, I would say that they are like my, my con, my con parents or aunt and uncle. Like whenever my wife and I see them at shows, they're just like a pleasure to be able to spend time with. And that was, that was part of the message. He was like, I feel like it was like it was great to be able to spend time with Dan, but I feel like I missed Greg time and I only got like five minutes with you, buddy.
[00:08:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:27] Speaker B: And I'm like, oh. And then he messaged Ann and was like, I really miss seeing you at the show. Where were you? You know, it was just, it's, it's there. Like, literally, they are, there are people that we met when we first started. My wife and I started doing these shows, you know, for people that don't know. Ann and I have been doing, doing shows, like, for. She's Dan, like, what? Like, almost 15 years now? Like, yeah, she's been doing, she's been doing shows before she had the store and before I was, like, when I was writing, but before I had books out there. And she was like, this is gonna be great. Someday you'll have a book out there, and this is just great experience for you, you know?
[00:09:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:09] Speaker B: And, and I've met a lot of really cool people, and these, these folks were part of those cool people that I got to meet. And I'm just really lucky to have folks like that that have taken us into their wings and become those fun people that we get to see.
[00:09:27] Speaker A: Well, I also thought they were great. I mean, I just walked up to kind of in a panic to Judy, and we had learned that they were staying close to my house earlier in the day. So I was just like, oh, well, would you, could you bring this to my house? Like, I can meet, or I can. I was going to have them meet me at a park and ride, but then I was just like, would you just be more comfortable just coming to my house? And they're like, well, yeah. So they came by and, yeah, it was great. So I got the print, I got the pencil and ink from Dan Juergens. It's fantastic. It's a beautiful wildfire.
He even drew the legion l in the background, which was super cool. So I asked him, I was asking about a couple characters and just ask him, you know, which one he'd prefer to draw. And he said he wanted to do wildfire. Now it seems like a trick so you don't have to draw a face that way. I know.
[00:10:17] Speaker B: He got off so easy, dude, but.
[00:10:20] Speaker A: I think he made up for it. He said he liked to draw the little things on his costume, and it was a half, half waist up. And he did draw everything. So I posted it online, and of course, some douchebag wrote a, just a bag of energy, has muscles. Isn't it so interesting? I'm like, fuck off, dude. Fuck off. Like, it's just, just because you live in your mom's basement and can't afford to go buy something from Dan Juergens is no reason to shit on my art.
[00:10:51] Speaker B: So I moved out of the basement. I'm sorry. It was my burner account that I got you with, and I am not in the basement anymore, and it's technically, like, my grandma's house.
[00:11:02] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think your burner account would be on Legion of superheroes groups, but that's okay for you, dude.
Well, I think we should probably circle back to the issue before we get in a fight about burner accounts.
[00:11:17] Speaker B: And the best part, I'm gonna. I have to say this because, like. And it will talk about it more, but, like, the best part of the shooter conversation that you missed. And Lance, our dear buddy Lance, who listens to this podcast maybe three times, and maybe this might be the fourth time we got to listen to him talk about Legion of superheroes and without you, because you were trying to get this picture the whole time you were gone. Shooters talking about, you know, people often ask, which property do I think is the most underrated that I worked on? And it's going to be the legion, and let me tell you why. And he goes on for 15 minutes, and as the whole 15 minutes, you are gone.
[00:12:10] Speaker A: Well, the good news about that, I will say, is once we got the woman to shut up about german publishing, who she asks 17 questions in a row. I asked him a question about creator rights, and I'm actually. If I was going to miss something, actually, him talking about the legion, while, is a once in a lifetime thing for me to see. I've read so many interviews and articles and his blogs and things about the legion. So I sort of feel like I know that. But I think the. The one piece I asked him, I asked him if you'll remember when we were doing the destroyer duck episodes. Steve Gerber. Yeah. Steve Gerber specifically was not a big fan of Jim Shooter. Didn't think that he really supported him in creator rights. And so I just straight up asked Jim Shooter and said, you know, when I said the question was this, when you took over as editor in chief, it's easy to say that Marvel was, at best, a mess and a little bit chaotic. There were a lot of issues about creator rights. You came over right after Dave Cockrum, who famously left DC after they wouldn't give him his own artwork. And, of course, Steve Gerber criticized you, criticized you about creator rights in relation to Howard the duck. Can you talk to us about the things you did for creator rights while you were at Marvel? And he dodged the Steve Gerber part completely, but he did give us a, he didn't dodge it completely. I will tell you what he said in a second, but he gave us a nice, like, 20 minutes answer about all the things they did to both get Marvel to produce comic books on time and then also help implement pieces for creat parts for creator rights, specifically royalties that didn't exist at Marvel previously. And the jab at Gerber was the whole discussion of being on time.
[00:14:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:12] Speaker A: So he, he talks about how they got the comics on time, and then toward the end, he said, and we just had to fire people that could not get things done on time.
[00:14:21] Speaker B: Yeah. And if you know your comics history, which we talked about when we covered that, he was a guy that did not last because of that.
[00:14:33] Speaker A: So it was, yeah, it was an interesting way to lay it out without naming names. He did name a couple of names that he brought in to marvel comics to help him, but he did not implicate anyone. But it was a very cool opportunity to listen to him talk. And I am sad I didn't get to hear him talk about the Legion, but at the same time, I probably can tell you the talking points from what he said about the Legion.
[00:15:03] Speaker B: Oh, he did talk about Grimbor, too. That's kind of cool about the design.
[00:15:07] Speaker A: I don't think he talked about Grimbor at all.
[00:15:10] Speaker B: He did nothing. But it would have been.
[00:15:12] Speaker A: He did tell us. So if you want to the inside, I had, I had the original comic that he did. I think it's adventure at 347. No, that's not right. But anyway, I'll, it's the first, I had the first issue he wrote as a 13 year old signed by him. And then for funsies, Greg and I got a Grimbor issue, the first appearance of Grimbor, the chainsmandhead signed, and that was drawn by Mike Grell. Dave Cockrum had already left for Marvel, and Jim Shooter was going over to marvel at the time. It was one of his last issues before Levitz actually took over for a small run and writing, and he mentioned to us that he'd showed the script to Dave Cockrum, and Dave Cockrum wanted to draw it, which doesn't surprise me, because Grimbor screams of Soho fashion that Dave would have liked drawing. But, yeah, I mean, Grimbor also screams of, you know, mister s leather. So it's, you know, it is a thing. But, yeah, that was, that was fun. And I think the first one, obviously, the first one, Jim signs and is happy and to tell us a story, but I think he was truly pleased to sign the Grimbor issue. Like, he. He grinned and talked about it because obviously signing your first one, that's a big deal. But I think a lot of people probably have him sign that issue. But signing the other one, he grinned and told us a story about it. And, you know, that's one of the fun things, too. I recommend not always bringing the most famous issue to somebody to sign. You know, bring an issue you want them to tell a story about.
[00:16:51] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Don't be like me and bring super wars number eight.
[00:16:55] Speaker A: Yeah, loser. I know you and you and the guy behind you with the 17 copies of it.
[00:17:00] Speaker B: And then he's like, he's like, oh, a couple of these away.
[00:17:04] Speaker A: I don't know how many I can afford, guys. Like, I just am buying these to entomb them and I can't afford. I can't afford.
I can't afford these comics. Everyone should know that this is secret wars number eight. And I should get a free signature from Jim Shooter. You know, like, yeah, it's.
[00:17:24] Speaker B: God, $0.25. When I was in 9th grade. I'm just putting it back in my box. Really.
[00:17:32] Speaker A: Well, I love how Randy. Randy Emberlin charges more for the first appearance of carnage than he does for a standard signature. And that always makes me laugh. Yeah.
[00:17:41] Speaker B: Because it's like, I mean, that's his thing. That's like he made that. I mean, I don't know. For me, like the secret words, like, I bought that from Gabby when I was in 9th grade. I. I think it's just funny when I look back at like, that is just a dumb, like, you know what?
[00:18:00] Speaker A: Yep. Well, and you know, if you have eight copies of secret wars number eight and you want to go get them signed by Jim Shooter and entombed and sell them, dude, more power to you. But don't whine about the price of the autograph when you're going to get that signed. If it's a 9.4 or higher, you're going to turn around and sell it for 100 to, you know, depending on how high a grade, $100 to $500. So pay for the autograph, pay for the $35 to get it entombed, and then, you know, go on with your life and make your $40 profit. But don't cheat out on the artists that are artists and writers that do the books. But anyway, like, that's. I was laughing.
[00:18:41] Speaker B: His four signed and thrown back in his backpack.
[00:18:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
Well, I think we should get into the book. We did have fun at summer Con. We gave out lots of stickers to people, but, oh.
[00:18:58] Speaker B: We got a new listener, everybody.
[00:19:02] Speaker A: Yes. Oh, yeah. Well, Ming Chen just wanders up to Greg like they've been best friends forever, right in the middle, pushes his handler aside and starts talking to Greg.
[00:19:13] Speaker B: That was, well, it's surreal because I, and I do, I do shows and stuff, and I've met Ming where we're just, we're casual acquaintances.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: I've met him, your con friends.
[00:19:26] Speaker B: I met him a few times at different shows and stuff like that. So we're just, we're just, you know, talking shop about o Comic Con, which Dan and I did last year. And because of work schedules and grandma schedules and other stuff like that, we're not able to do this year. But, but Ming is going to be there, and he's want to know, you know, like, are you going to be there? He's like, no, I'm not going to be there. Like, go have a good time for us this year. Maybe we'll be there again next time with you. So, but, uh, so he saw us in our, in our regalia and our funny book forensic hats and shirts, and he's like, what's this? Because I don't think.
[00:20:03] Speaker A: And he took a sticker.
[00:20:03] Speaker B: Yeah, he took a sticker. And because he knows. He knows I write stuff, but I don't think he knows that I do podcasts, which is funny, because I've been doing. Yeah, like, we've been doing this for like four years.
[00:20:15] Speaker A: Well, well, you have. And I'll just say, too, Randy Emberlin was nice enough to say to me, we were talking about doing panels, and I mentioned, oh, when I go to Omaha, I do panels, but out here, the showrunners don't have me do anything. And he's like, why? And I said, I don't really know, but he's like, you should advertise yourself better.
[00:20:36] Speaker B: That's true.
[00:20:36] Speaker A: And I said, yeah, and Greg and I will do panels. And he goes, well, I could see you doing panels with your big voice, but I don't see Greg doing that.
[00:20:48] Speaker B: That's so funny.
[00:20:50] Speaker A: Which I thought that was funny, so. Well, that's true.
[00:20:53] Speaker B: When you only know somebody is one way, which I'm just a goofy guy to most people that know me around, you know, to see me around. But then when you see me in show mode, work mode, talking mode. Yep, whatever.
[00:21:09] Speaker A: It happens. Well, in podcast mode. And we are going to circle back to the book, so.
Well, I actually just want to march through this as quickly as humanly possible. So we. You are so man and wolf, part five of six, issue 406, early September, $1.25. We got cap up in the corner. We got cap, wolf in the middle. We've got Wolverine on the side. We've got Wolfsbane, who hasn't been introduced in the story at all, I don't think.
And we've got two random werewolves, and it says wolfpack attack.
[00:21:49] Speaker B: Yeah, it is. It is something. And when I saw Wolfpack attack, I got excited. Wolf pack, the comic.
[00:22:00] Speaker A: I also am going to say that might be the worst.
You're not wrong, and I know I undersold you there. I'm sorry. I was just literally about to say, if you look at Wolverine's face and Wolfbane's face, I mean, they are like the. They're. They're not, though, with the. Cause Wolverine has all the weird, crappy lines on his face.
But if you look at the hair and everything there on it and everything, this looks just like a shitty version of a Rob Liefeld cover.
[00:22:30] Speaker B: It kind of is, because they don't got any feet.
[00:22:34] Speaker A: They don't got any feet. The hairstyles are those styles that he was drawing in x force.
[00:22:39] Speaker B: What the heck is going on, man?
[00:22:42] Speaker A: I don't know, because, like, I mean, like, I just think, like, Levins cannot find an art style.
[00:22:50] Speaker B: Expect the unexpected with the wolfpack attack.
[00:22:55] Speaker A: Because I was actually thinking the art was getting better until then, in this cover, I was just like, well, and then we turn the page, and we have a flat grid lattice. So, congratulations. He found something that he can draw very well, and he's going to continue to draw it. This grid lattice is like something we were taught to draw in, like, 8th grade art class.
Yeah. Good. I mean, he's going back to his roots here.
This is Mark Grunwald's story.
Thanks. Right in the middle of me saying who people were, you hit the longest effing sound effect on your board.
Mark Grunwald on the story. It just says story. Rick Levin's on pencils. Danny Bolognati on inks. Joe Rosen on letters. Gina going colors. Ralph Macchio, editor. Tom DeFalco, more editor. And.
And fuck you for the clone spider saga. Okay, so I hear we're gonna do.
[00:23:55] Speaker B: That after we're done with this and that.
[00:23:57] Speaker A: There's no way in hell, but I bought them all. While we're at the show, we will consider doing the spider clone stuff in 2031. So it will be.
Did Randy draw those? No, because I don't think so. I don't think he did? Yeah, if Randy inked them, I will do it with Randy on the show.
Well, it was a crossover. He said they canceled. He was talking about they cancelled Webb. And he was saying when. Anyway, okay, we'll have to go back to. Anyway, Steve Rogers, born in the USA, raised to cherish the ideals of democracy, endowed with the superhuman physique and driven to be the most capable combatant in the world. Now, as both lone crusader and leader of the renowned Avengers, he fights an ongoing battle for liberty, justice and the american dream. He is Captain America, presented by Stan Lee. And we have what's her face? The werewolf queen.
[00:24:54] Speaker B: Oh yeah, the werewolf queen.
[00:24:57] Speaker A: But she's not the werewolf queen anymore. I know it looks like Doctor midnight.
[00:25:02] Speaker B: Not Doctor midnight, but yeah, Doctor Midnight, Doctor Nightshade.
[00:25:08] Speaker A: We're gonna take a bunch of golden age character names, just combine them together and she's making Captain America go to bed. So she's sending him, she's sending him to his bed.
And then we get some awesome Captain America dialogue here. So gurr.
And on the next page we get her words. Confuse now. Shouldn't trust her. But what else do need to make her change me back? Back to what? Human, not wolf. How make her down here? Shouldn't have come here. So hard to keep thoughts straight. Figures in darkness, more wolf people coming closer.
[00:25:48] Speaker C: What they want.
[00:25:49] Speaker A: Trying too.
[00:25:51] Speaker C: What word intimidate me, you know, if.
[00:25:54] Speaker A: We do it as Shatner.
[00:25:56] Speaker B: Yes. Yes.
[00:25:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it gets better.
I was also thinking too. Like, I mean, this is, the dialogue is so shitty and the, it reminds me of super baby, super baby, super baby comics from the, so super baby usually got replaced by Superboy, got replaced by the Legion in backups like that. The super baby stuff never lasted, but, you know, they would always keep bringing it back.
And super baby me want did it, you know, like it was just, it's, anyway, that's what this reminds me of. It's just shit.
[00:26:33] Speaker B: That's why when we did supernatural baby detective, we wrote it like a real human man.
[00:26:41] Speaker A: Oh boy. Okay, so I'm not want to touch that right now. So I, then we get next page and there's wolves, and he's like, stay back, not come closer. Or I there's a big white wolf and they're gonna fight or something. And he says, big white wolf. Others slinked off when me come came out.
Now we do fight.
[00:27:03] Speaker C: Me. Why he want fight?
He leader of pit wolves.
Wish I could talk.
[00:27:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Um, do I have to read all this through the whole issue?
[00:27:22] Speaker B: Greg's, secret. Greg didn't read the book.
[00:27:24] Speaker C: No.
What to do? Remember, hate you from other forms. Sidestep. And this quick. Others backing off, ears down. I beat leader.
[00:27:38] Speaker A: So basically storm just beat Calypso and now leads the Morlocks.
[00:27:45] Speaker B: Yeah, that's actually okay. Yeah, I get that reference. I read that book.
[00:27:51] Speaker A: Okay, so now we go back to Doctor Dumbass and Doctor dummy. Yes, and Doctor dumbass, fake shitty Doctor Strange is strung up and has a mask on his face. And Doctor Drummonde. Dredman. Doctor Drummond. Actually that's Willis. And that's Willis and Arnold's dad.
[00:28:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
He got really fed up with Kimberly's drinking though, and he turned to a life of crime, so.
[00:28:27] Speaker B: Yeah, which has all his power in it. His shocker.
[00:28:30] Speaker A: If you all get the different strokes references, then more power to all of you. Like that would be amazing.
Yeah, well, he cuts his hair because he's Samson and now he doesn't have any powers. I don't know, maybe he'll die. They say he's going to slice his throat. The best possible thing that could happen to this character is that he dies. So that'd be fine. We're back in the pit and we.
[00:28:53] Speaker C: Get girl can talk.
[00:28:55] Speaker A: And Wolfsbane appears who has apparently she has just been hanging out in the pit. Can't figure out how to get out or contact X Force. Our x. No x factor. She's not an x four. She's not in new means. She's an x factor who they announced. She announces it, so she lets you know.
Yeah, okay, so apparently she's been here.
[00:29:16] Speaker B: The whole time hiding in the pit.
[00:29:22] Speaker A: And she got captured. She was compelled to go there and she got captured by shitty lobo.
Yeah, moon beam or moon dragon or moonshine or whatever the fuck he is. Uh, moon Hunter. That's what it is. And anyway, yeah, so we go, no, not rip Hunter. That's a different no. Yeah, no.
So I mean, we do have the time, people. Well, anyway, it's the. It's interesting too, because we have wolfsbane in a comic book with. We get cable on the next page for some reason.
[00:30:03] Speaker B: Right?
[00:30:04] Speaker A: So we have more exposition.
Well, cable appeared in the last issue for a second, but now we get.
[00:30:12] Speaker C: Girl can talk now, need to learn.
[00:30:15] Speaker A: And she starts teaching him how to talk and he goes, I'm not going to do his actually talking dialogue. So here, that's just not going to happen. Anyway, wolf, spade and cap, give us some exposition. And then cable and Shatterstar.
Look, Shatterstars clearly survived from his experience in the power lines.
[00:30:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:30:35] Speaker A: Yeah, that's good. Oh, wait, that was much later in a different universe, but that's okay.
Some real. So I just want to say right now, for everyone that shits on, right. The original cable art, if you look at this page.
[00:31:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:01] Speaker A: You will think that Rob Liefeld is the greatest artist in the history of artists.
[00:31:06] Speaker B: Because this is.
[00:31:09] Speaker A: Minimal hot garbage.
Yeah, it's hot garbage. The facial close up is so fucking terrible.
[00:31:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:21] Speaker A: Either. I don't know what he's doing here. He's more lines now. Is he trying to. Yeah, like, where's the. Why is there a bunch of cross hatching on the face? And, like, is he trying to do rob Liefeld here? Like, what is the goal? Like, I don't know.
And why does Wolfbane have nothing on her face? Right. It's just like a.
[00:31:42] Speaker B: Her face is like, so clean. I.
Compared to the cap wolf.
[00:31:48] Speaker A: Also, the Shatter star drawing is abysmal. Like, it is.
[00:31:53] Speaker B: It's like.
[00:31:54] Speaker A: I don't. Yeah, I don't know what's going on there. Yeah, like, cables thighs are bigger than his shoulders.
[00:32:05] Speaker B: It looks like. I mean, like if you were hungry and like, he lost thigh, you could eat for days.
[00:32:13] Speaker A: Well, we find out that feral. No, feral is missing. Feral was a member of X Force who turned out to be a traitor.
I don't know at what point she was discovered to be that. So I don't know where we're at in that storyline right now, but apparently she was gone. We get back and now I don't have to read stuff because now Captain cap Wolf is talking to people and he's encouraging all the werewolves to join together as a team. Clearly something that wolfsbane couldn't do.
Who is just there for. I don't know why? And then they build a cheerleading pyramid.
[00:32:54] Speaker B: She couldn't do this.
[00:32:56] Speaker A: Yeah, well, they build a cheerleading pyramid.
And now. Oh, God.
[00:33:01] Speaker C: Now understand my words. Working together. Do what no one could alone reach. Trapdoor lock. Must break it or rebellion nowhere. No option up to me. Must fuck break lock.
[00:33:24] Speaker A: And they even wrote it that way, by the way. So, you know, super soldier and wolf serum. Magnify, strengthen now, help people when. Okay.
[00:33:34] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:33:36] Speaker A: Yes. I don't. I'm not gonna say it again. Why? Why? So did they give him the super soldier serum back just so he. They could write this shitty story?
[00:33:44] Speaker B: Yeah, they must have. I mean, I.
[00:33:46] Speaker A: Did he get it back in 400?
[00:33:48] Speaker B: I'm assuming so.
[00:33:51] Speaker A: Well, now, in the continuing saga of Captain America keeps losing his friends.
We're back in Central park for two panels to point out that Dennis Dunphy is still missing. That was our big wrestler friend.
[00:34:03] Speaker B: It.
[00:34:04] Speaker A: And this subplot must continue.
[00:34:08] Speaker B: Did Cap lose him or did she lose him? I mean, I.
[00:34:12] Speaker A: Cap lost him. Cap loses everyone. Remember, Cap lost him in an ice block first, and it made him that way. So, like, yeah, Cap, this is bad.
[00:34:20] Speaker B: To be friends with Cap. Cap's gonna lose you.
Cap's.
[00:34:24] Speaker A: Well, now we're back.
Now we flipped the page and.
Doctor Dreddenhe. Doom drum drumming.
What you talking about? Willis is talking to Moon Hunter and werewolf queen.
[00:34:43] Speaker B: Yeah, queen of the wolves.
[00:34:46] Speaker A: And he just randomly starts telling. Yelling at him for all his mistakes.
And the werewolf queens trying to break Dredmond's hold over Moon Hunter's mind. And. Okay. I don't know why there was no real build up to that, but that's okay.
And then I feel like this story was supposed to be longer and it got shortened. Maybe for a crossover in a couple.
[00:35:15] Speaker B: Issues, but editorial said, hey, you know what? This eight. This eight issue story needs to be cut down to six. So you're gonna lose two.
[00:35:23] Speaker A: Two books, you're gonna have an Infinity war crossover. And. Or maybe editorial was like, we fucked up. We are a shitty editing team because we didn't get cap wolf until the fourth issue. Yeah, but anyway, shitty doctor Strange is strung up like he's hanging from across, except he's not on across.
And we go back to the pita.
[00:35:49] Speaker C: Just one more to bring up the one I beat to become leader of the pack.
[00:35:55] Speaker A: What?
That was the silver one. Why is he bringing up a brown one?
[00:35:59] Speaker B: It's not the brown. He didn't beat the brown one to become the leader pack.
[00:36:03] Speaker A: Okay?
[00:36:03] Speaker B: He's a.
[00:36:04] Speaker C: Just remember something. Came here to look for somebody. Who was it? Friend of mine named John. One of these.
Him.
[00:36:16] Speaker A: So he still can't find his friend after all this. Anyway, all the wolves go to go to fight people. And then Wolverine tries to kill Captain America again from his jail cell. They don't let him out. And then they open a door and they meet Moon Hunter and werewolf queen.
Cap goes to take out Shittilobo.
Everybody else goes after the werewolf queen. There's a big to do.
[00:36:45] Speaker B: Oh, man, it's wild.
[00:36:48] Speaker A: They. They undress Moon Hunter.
[00:36:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:36:52] Speaker A: And they. That means he gets. He doesn't get to talk about all his padding.
[00:36:58] Speaker B: Oh, man. He doesn't have his padding anymore because he's naked and it's Reagan under there.
[00:37:06] Speaker A: It might be. I don't know. Looks like it might. Well, we get more exposition from the werewolf queen. She's like, how could they escape?
But I can use this to my advantage against Dreadmond. We still don't know what that's all about. And don't worry, you won't find out.
Then the moon hunter gets unmasked.
[00:37:34] Speaker B: It is Ronald Reagan.
[00:37:36] Speaker A: He kind of does look like Ronald Reagan. We get some more, we get another captain America thought bubble thought this might.
[00:37:44] Speaker C: Be John, but it is someone I never saw before.
[00:37:48] Speaker A: Why would he think that the moon hunter guy was John when John turns into a werewolf?
[00:37:53] Speaker B: Because he thought he was John. Because he was so badass.
John is badass.
[00:38:01] Speaker A: Well, anyway, there's a werewolf on the table that they've been getting blood from named Jack Russell. How fucking clever.
Yeah, he came by his lycanthropy, supernaturally so they've been using his blood. So he's a werewolf mutant.
[00:38:20] Speaker B: Oh, boy.
[00:38:21] Speaker A: Couldn't they have just been using Wolfsbane's blood and then it would have been an easier story, like, to explain why she was there.
It's true. That kind of what seemed like what they wanted. Well, anyway, they capture the werewolf queen and they restrain her. And she can't stand being restrained, but she tells him that their friend Doctor Druid, shitty doctor strange, if you're keeping track, needs some help. And then he's strung up in front of a bunch of werewolves in front of Doctor Dredmande. And Captain America breaks in and they cut Doctor Druid's throat and he'll be dead forever. Thank God.
[00:39:04] Speaker B: Oh my goodness.
[00:39:06] Speaker A: And that little orb thing plops down out of his throat and, and then it goes over to Doctor Shitty Doctor doom, Doctor Dredman, whatever the fuck he is, and we are continue to. Oh, wait, hang on.
[00:39:25] Speaker C: He sliced Doctor Druid's throat. I'm too late. Notice the dialogue is getting clearer as we go. He no longer sounds like the wolf dialogue. What is happening to him? Changing before my eyes. Into what?
[00:39:39] Speaker B: Oh, no.
[00:39:42] Speaker A: Concluded in two weeks. Fantastic.
Well, good. Doctor Druid's dead forever. I can see the blood running out of his throat. At least.
[00:39:51] Speaker B: So that's at summer con.
[00:39:55] Speaker A: We.
That was very mean of us, but yes, well, we flip the page and Stan Lee presents Diamond back.
[00:40:08] Speaker B: Diamonds back.
[00:40:10] Speaker A: Oh, diamond.
They're still fighting hobgoblin.
[00:40:15] Speaker B: That sounds like a cool.
[00:40:18] Speaker A: They're still fighting shitty hobgoblin shitty Batman and is that cobra?
[00:40:23] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it's cobra commander.
[00:40:27] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know. Anyway, and and to echo us all, we had crossbones and diamondback climbing up the side of the mountain. And Crossbones says, who the fuck are these guys? To which I said when I saw Crossbones the first time, who the fuck is that? So it works.
[00:40:44] Speaker B: Cue the music.
[00:40:45] Speaker A: And they let them know.
Well, and then they talk. He wants to go see red Skull again.
And we find out one of them says, that's not named. You ever hear of crossbones, Jack O Lantern? He says, can't say I have. How about you, blackwing? So.
But I still don't know who the cobra guy is in the middle.
[00:41:10] Speaker B: He's the best around.
[00:41:13] Speaker A: Well, we get fight on Skull Mountain, brought to us by Mark Grunwald, Larry Alexander on pencils, Arion, who he has another name but is just listed as Arion on inks, and Steve Detrow on the letters.
And anyway, we get some fancy dialogue and we start to get into a fight.
Pretty much. The other people are lame and suck and keep getting beat up by crossbones.
We get Diamondback falls down and steps on something and then falls down some more, but she jumps and then she gets. She attacks Jack O Lantern and. Yeah.
[00:42:04] Speaker B: Snake venomous.
[00:42:07] Speaker A: Yeah, ours gonna. And then. So they take. They take her in. And then we get a page turn and we find out that the guy in the green stuff is like, oh, I shouldn't have been such a terrible person.
And he realizes that Diamondback is his baby sister. So this is her big brother from the flashback that went to train at the. The special crime school that then she went to train at to find her. So. Yeah.
Yeah. All right.
[00:42:41] Speaker B: Didn't her big brother. She thought her big brother got killed, though, and that's why she went to the crime school.
[00:42:47] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know.
[00:42:48] Speaker B: An assassin to kill the guy who killed her big brother.
That's why I thought she went to the crime school. This is not making sense, Daniel. I mean, it is making sense, but it's not making sense.
[00:43:02] Speaker A: It's not making any sense. Well, they made it somewhere to go see red skull again, so.
Yeah, that's exactly.
We have the letters column. I didn't find anything here in here of real note this time.
[00:43:19] Speaker B: Nothing?
No, not a one. There's 20 to choose from.
[00:43:25] Speaker A: Okay, fine. Dear american graffiti writers, when issue 383 came out last June, I wrote praising the us agent story.
[00:43:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:43:35] Speaker A: Now, a scant 17 issues later, I find myself doing the same. In fact, us agent Falcon story was a better read than the Kree Shiar episode.
Here it is this is about 400. Here it is witnessed. The agent now has transcended into Guy Gardner captain America image and is truly worthy replacement. So I love it when we've been talking about all the ripoff characters and then they're basically like, yeah, us agent is now just ripping off Guy Gardner's personality from DC, so that's awesome. Although the trademark macho image is still present, he actually used cunning in his rematch against the flag smasher. However, that is, I cheered when the shield returned into action. I hope the agent and Falcon can work together again soon. As for the main story, it lacked the idea of having all of captain's captain's foes fight him. Is a good premise, but didn't quite work for me. I'm glad that it was only an illusion because it really would have been corny to actually transport them all to the Kree galaxy. Oh my God. What? That. This sounds terrible. I would much rather have preferred to see Cap try to escape.
This is from Joe Kuchansky of 1116 Sycamore Street, Haddon Heights, New Jersey, 08035. If you want to write Joe and let him know if you agree or disagree with him.
The editor's note, as we said, everyone had his favorite part of Cap 400. The inclusion of Cap's rogues gallery was our tribute to Cap's long legacy of supervillain Duke outs. Sorry it didn't work for you.
This sounds like one of those responses you get when you get a bad review on, like, Google.
[00:45:22] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Sorry it didn't work out for you. The pizza. We make our pizzas fresh every day. That's why you don't like.
[00:45:30] Speaker A: We know we did a good job. Fuck off.
Well, next issue, the howling wrap up to man and Wolf, featuring, among other things, capped wolf versus cable.
But I will also let you know it's not the wrap up. So next episode we're going to be doing issue 407 and the first half of issue 408.
[00:45:52] Speaker B: Watch out. That's like a issue and a half. Everybody hold on to your shorts or whatever that means. I don't know.
[00:46:03] Speaker A: I think the other just lesson we've learned here is this shitty story is so bad, they're forcing like Wolverine into it for no reason. Now cable is going to show up for no reason.
[00:46:12] Speaker B: No place in this except he fights cap wolf for like a page. Not even a page, like four panels. And then you got like another, like a mutant in there for like a minute.
She could actually been whole entire great story, but we don't have anything. And then you're gonna put cable in here? Because cable's hot for a second.
[00:46:35] Speaker A: Yeah.
And we get, like. Because feral ran away.
[00:46:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:46:40] Speaker A: Like, feral is a cat, not even a wolf. Right. Isn't.
[00:46:43] Speaker B: But we gotta.
[00:46:44] Speaker A: So why? Why?
[00:46:46] Speaker B: Because it's in the timeframe.
Come on. I will agree with the letter, though, that.
[00:46:54] Speaker A: Yeah, and it's great. My dumbass neighbors are blasting their car horn on the 17 cars they fix in the cul de sac. So this is fun right now.
Awesome.
[00:47:06] Speaker B: I agree with that note about us, agent, though. Definitely guy Gardner like esque. I never picked up on that when I was younger reading that, though, because it was not in my wheelhouse of knowledge. But now that I've read Guy Gardner stuff and can match it up, I do see that connection.
[00:47:31] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:47:33] Speaker B: Do you see the connection? Do you not? Or have you not read enough?
[00:47:36] Speaker A: I don't know anything about us, agent.
I generally shied away, and we've talked about this before. I generally shied away from those.
[00:47:44] Speaker B: I mean, it's very. Now.
[00:47:47] Speaker A: Well, I didn't get the end of the west coast avengers, even though I know the run was really quite good.
[00:47:52] Speaker B: Whatever. I get books like that and people coming in the shop whenever I get west coast Avengers books, and people come into the shop and they're like, oh, I really want something that I've never read before. I'm asking if they've ever read west coast avengers, and they say no. And I am like, this cover looks.
[00:48:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I know that. Yeah. By the way, we're looking at the COVID for the next issue, and it might be the worst cable drawing I've ever seen.
[00:48:13] Speaker B: It looks like a gobot. Cable looks like a gobot. If you. If you go look up what cycle, why can I think of his name? The bad guy Gobot cycles like the motorcycle guy.
That go bot motorcycle guy.
[00:48:36] Speaker A: They're gobots. I don't know.
[00:48:38] Speaker B: Oh, come on, Dan.
Motorcycle. Gobot motorcycle.
Come on. And why can't I machine motorcycle?
[00:48:52] Speaker A: Well, while you're looking at that.
[00:48:54] Speaker B: Sidekill.
[00:48:55] Speaker A: Sidekill. Well, while you're looking up that, uh, we've wrapped up this, and. And so I do want to, of course, thank our friends at Project dashner.com for promoting our podcast and putting it on their site.
If you go there, you can also learn. Listen to spandex, startups, stand ups. Sorry, I don't know why I said startups there.
[00:49:17] Speaker B: It's all about if you want to wear spandex but start a business. This is the podcast for you. Imagine yourself in your kitchen wearing spandex, but baking cakes, any kind of cakes. You got what it takes. That's what I'm talking about. Brownies, chocolate chip cookies.
You got it. Cupcakes, triple layers. Whatever it is, you're doing it in spandex. You want to make soap, be it, so be it. That'd be a great thing. If you're making soap on and you were selling it on Etsy, that would be my name. So be it.
[00:49:53] Speaker A: Okay. I mean, that's. That's fair.
[00:49:56] Speaker B: Take the name Runway. Make a million dollars.
[00:50:00] Speaker A: I also think you should place yourself strategically next to Spatula City in most strip malls.
[00:50:05] Speaker B: So we still specialist, that's all.
[00:50:07] Speaker A: Yeah, it seems.
Makes sense.
So I'm visiting Project nerd right now. They're advertising spandex stand ups, and they advertise us. That's creative.
Also, they're. Yeah, I mean, so that's important.
I just would also like to know Project Nerd is your home of medical advice.
[00:50:33] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. So, project Nerd.
[00:50:37] Speaker A: Yeah. If you want to find out what to do if your snake. If your limbs have turned into snakes, this is definitely the best place to go for you. So don't look on. Yeah, don't look on Webmd. Go straight here.
[00:50:49] Speaker B: Straight to project nerd. You got snake limbs. They're gonna charm you. Wait, yeah, they're gonna charm you.
[00:50:57] Speaker A: Got snake arms. That's exactly. With charma and grimbor. So, yeah, that'll. That'll be good. We also. Of course, we also want to, of course, thank jiu jitsu lawyer Paul Boudreau. And if you want to get some amazing jiu jitsu training, and you're in the Seattle Tacoma area, you could always go to certified martial arts or certified jiu jitsu at 27th and Jackson here in University Place, Tacoma. And of course, if you want to relive your childhood, you could always visit the retro emporium on Meeker street in Kent, Washington.
Hey, you could come down, Randy Emberlin and Judy Emberlin say to go there, so why would you not?
[00:51:40] Speaker B: That's true.
[00:51:41] Speaker A: And do you have anything else to plug right now?
[00:51:45] Speaker B: Right now? Go get yourself a copy of. Because it's summertime and we're all about summer camp here at the funny book. Forensics. A copy of camp launch pad.
Absolute zeros. Camp launch.
[00:52:01] Speaker A: Okay. Well, you definitely.
Well, you definitely should do that. And on that note, I think we're probably done. So we're done.
[00:52:12] Speaker B: Don't go bowling. It's dangerous.
[00:52:15] Speaker A: Oh, you're. Yeah. Uh huh. You're I don't. I don't know. Greg. Can't. Can't.
This. This. Greg?
[00:52:22] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:52:23] Speaker A: Before we go, why did you try to ball with the ball at the weight I was using?
[00:52:32] Speaker B: I. Dude, I bowled when those kids left. I grabbed their balls.
[00:52:40] Speaker A: Wow.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Greg is going to end up in the same place as one certain comic book writer that we accidentally talked about on the show once. We'll be seeing Greg in ten to 20.
[00:52:55] Speaker B: They're bowling balls.
And I threw the children's bowling balls, which are very light.
Yes, that was a mistake, too.
[00:53:06] Speaker A: Well, you didn't need to grab the eight pound or the 15 pound ball I was using. You could have grabbed like a twelve.
[00:53:11] Speaker B: I couldn't fit my fingers in there. My fingers are too fat, Dan.
[00:53:15] Speaker A: Okay, well, see, that's. Yeah, I mean, admittedly you didn't have to use. Well, anyway, I tried. Well, Greg hurt himself bowling and I.
[00:53:25] Speaker B: Threw that ball without my hand in the hole of the bowling ball.
[00:53:29] Speaker A: And that's when you hurt yourself.
[00:53:30] Speaker B: And I threw that thing down the thing and it was crazy.
[00:53:34] Speaker A: You ever seen that's when you hurt yourself.
[00:53:36] Speaker B: Did you see that thing even touch the ground?
[00:53:39] Speaker A: I think the best was watching the people next to us that actually knew how to ball.
And the one woman who was so deliberate, like, she would line up everything, line it up just perfectly and then just slowly roll and the little ball would spin and hit in the middle like it's supposed to. I'm just up there hucking the ball at literally like hucking a 15 bound ball down the lane. And they were laughing about it. They're like, yeah. They're like, can you throw that any harder?
They were bowling like, yes, I can.
[00:54:10] Speaker B: When you like, imagine like a Wii bowling, like on Wii sports bowling, it's like you bowl perfect every time. That's how they bowl. It's like boom. And they bowl perfect. And like, the ball has to spin and it just like goes right into where it needs to go. We're bowling like Xbox hit three buttons and it's, it's getting down there, but it's like knocking like three pins.
Like, Dan, you hit some strikes.
You hit some strikes. I was hitting like three pinsd and then three pins and I leave in two pins.
[00:54:44] Speaker A: Well, you beat me the second game, so.
But that's fair.
So. Well, anyway, maybe next year we'll have some other people join us for bowling. But we had fun. And I mean, on the right side.
[00:55:01] Speaker B: And the left side, we didn't know them but they joined us. We had a great time.
[00:55:07] Speaker A: Well, on that note, I think we did have a great time. And on that note, I think it's time to wrap this one up. So next week, we finish up cap Wolf, and then after cap Wolf, I think we'll be on to something. We'll either be on to.
We'll either be on to trekker or we'll be on to Barkham Asylum.
[00:55:31] Speaker B: Oh, Barkham Asylum. Asylum.
[00:55:33] Speaker A: We'll probably be on to both. So.
[00:55:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited about both books.
Knowing, you know, knowing both the creators of both those items, I am excited about being able to cover both of them. So I find both of them exciting.
[00:55:53] Speaker A: I'll also just say, if you listen to the podcast, and we know two people do.
[00:55:57] Speaker B: Yeah, two people do. Now, three.
[00:55:59] Speaker A: We had a couple. We had a couple of people say, we don't listen because we.
And I probably need to do a little bit better advertising. We don't listen because we don't. Haven't read the book you're talking about now, we are making sure that we go ahead and sacrifice ourselves and read these terrible books so you don't have to.
[00:56:23] Speaker B: You don't have to read them.
[00:56:25] Speaker A: So if you have a friend, or if you just want to listen to the podcast, well, just listen to the podcast. And then if you like the book, you could always pick it up and read it. Yeah, yeah. Like, that's fine, but you don't have to read the book. In fact, you could just listen to us, talk about the book, talk about it, and then make that decision.
And if you want to see shitty doctor Strange for yourself, then you can pick up the book and read it.
[00:56:52] Speaker B: And you go find shitty Doctor Strange or totally terrible lobo. And then you're like, wow, they were right.
[00:57:00] Speaker A: You may, you may, in fact, want to go pick up every appearance of Doctor Druid after this. You might like it.
[00:57:07] Speaker B: You might like it.
[00:57:08] Speaker A: So that is the thing. If you do listen to the podcast and, you know, you can let people know, half the fun is learning about this stuff. It's not just, you don't have to know. No reading ahead required. I mean, if you want to, that's fine, but there's, there's no reading ahead required.
We're going to analyze these things. In fact, I didn't do a good job analyzing because we've. Well, anyway, that'll be next episode, actually, when Diamondback is bound in the corner of a room. So that's. That's next. That's next.
[00:57:43] Speaker B: That one is a lot to unpack and.
[00:57:46] Speaker A: Yeah. And Starry Wolf.
[00:57:47] Speaker B: So I don't. I. I'm gonna just say this, and for everyone listening right now, we've already said this before. These are. These. These are bad thus far. I do think they could get worse. And as we talked about.
[00:58:02] Speaker A: And they do. Yeah. Yeah. The one thing about this issue, and I know we're supposed to be wrapping up, so this is the last comment about this issue.
It was just a terrible issue. There wasn't anything patently offensive about it.
[00:58:14] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. It was just. It was.
[00:58:16] Speaker A: It was just awful.
[00:58:17] Speaker B: It was is what it was.
[00:58:19] Speaker A: It was just awful. Now, next time. Next time, it's going to be both a terrible issue and patently offensive. So it's gonna be great. Yeah.
[00:58:28] Speaker B: I mean, it's a product of his time, Dan. We could say that.
[00:58:32] Speaker A: And that's a cheap excuse, that is. Well, anyway. All right, so we also find out next issue that Grunwald wrote Captain America longer than any other writer.
[00:58:46] Speaker B: That's a feather in his cap.
[00:58:51] Speaker A: Yes. All right, well, let's wrap again. That's a fair point. Well, I'm going to go ahead and wrap this up. I'm Dan, that's Greg. And this was your beautiful episode of funny book forensics. Thanks. Bye.
[00:59:03] Speaker B: Um, shoot.
I can't find it.
