Funny Book Forensics 336 Duck in Flight

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Apparently there's a glitch in The Matrix again. Whenever we record on this modern technology, we call Skype. [00:00:11] Speaker B: Skype. [00:00:11] Speaker A: Hyped up. Yeah. It is what it is. Make fun of us again. I guess I brought this up last week. Yeah. I don't know why you're hitting that obnoxious sound when Ed editing. There is no way to get that sound out of the editing. [00:00:27] Speaker B: That's how I do it. [00:00:30] Speaker A: Sounds like you're hitting like a melophone or a Xylophone or it's a light bulb. What are the metal ones called? Melophone. [00:00:37] Speaker B: Melophone? Yeah. It's like those little Fisher Price ones. Ding, ding, ding. [00:00:47] Speaker A: Yeah. It's the only ones you ever seen in life. That's the problem. [00:00:51] Speaker B: It's true. Well, they wouldn't let me in the band room because it's like that one time that I knocked over the tubas. [00:00:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, maybe you were having problems like Duke Duck was at the end of the last issue, because I think so. There were a lot of Cogburns there. [00:01:07] Speaker B: A lot. How many? [00:01:10] Speaker A: I don't know. Infinite. [00:01:11] Speaker B: Infinite. It was almost like The Matrix when there's so many agent Smiths. Mr. Smith. Yeah. [00:01:20] Speaker A: Mr. Smith goes to Washington. [00:01:22] Speaker B: Yes, Mr. Cogburn agent mr. Smith. [00:01:26] Speaker A: It was like a those those cool suits. [00:01:28] Speaker B: Yeah. And glasses. Don't forget the glasses. [00:01:31] Speaker A: I think the message was identical to perhaps the Wachowski sisters were reading Destroyer Duck and saw the Cogburn concept and they were like, oh, we could have a thousand corporate drones that look like IBM employees as agents in our movie. [00:01:46] Speaker B: Yeah, that makes. [00:01:51] Speaker A: It is a thing. Well, we're here. [00:01:57] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:01:57] Speaker A: Destroyer Duck, number four. No, 343434. Destroyer Duck number four from 1983. I kept saying 1981 last week. I apologize. I don't know why my brain was stuck in 1980. 119. [00:02:12] Speaker B: 81. The year. [00:02:18] Speaker A: It's really interesting. I did some more Howard the Duck reading this week. [00:02:23] Speaker B: Yeah, tell me. [00:02:25] Speaker A: Not reading Howard the Duck. Which would have been much funner. [00:02:27] Speaker B: Man. [00:02:27] Speaker A: You got excited for a second. [00:02:29] Speaker B: I did. Which one did you read? [00:02:31] Speaker A: The Duck. [00:02:31] Speaker B: Oh, man. Let down. [00:02:33] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I was reading about so to make things worse, Disney sued Marvel. [00:02:40] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. [00:02:40] Speaker A: Because of in 1979. [00:02:42] Speaker B: Because of Daffy Duck. [00:02:44] Speaker A: Yes. No. Donald Duck. [00:02:47] Speaker B: Donald Duck. [00:02:48] Speaker A: That would have been Warner Brothers. [00:02:50] Speaker B: Just like Disney sued Oregon State or UFO. [00:02:54] Speaker A: I mean, let's face sorry. [00:02:57] Speaker B: Everybody should have got that one right. Messed up. Don't tell my family. [00:03:01] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I was talking over you while you're messing up the Oregon Duck thing. So I think we're okay. It is Oregon. [00:03:07] Speaker B: Yeah, it is Oregon. [00:03:09] Speaker A: The quack attack. [00:03:10] Speaker B: How can they have two schools so similarly named with two very different going. [00:03:19] Speaker A: To carol Carlson is going to reach out from Longview, Washington and choke you. [00:03:24] Speaker B: Choke me. Why did you mess this up? I mean, with all the duck apparel that I have jeez. [00:03:31] Speaker A: I can also safely say she would ever, ever listen to this or chug me. Well, she might do that. Okay. [00:03:42] Speaker B: When I was younger. Yes, of course. I don't know. [00:03:48] Speaker A: Well, anyway, relieving our community college days, and we will come back to this. Yeah. So marvel sued. And so part of that was the change. And so this is something you probably know about more about than I do. That's when his costume changed and he got the bigger bill at the top, the thicker bill and the bigger eyes, and they had to draw him in that goofy. So did you have the Howard the Duck Howard the Mouse series from the Max comics came out? [00:04:28] Speaker B: No, I did not have those. I just had the original run. [00:04:32] Speaker A: Yeah. So in the first issue, to get back at them, he drew him as Howard the Mouse, but it has Howard the Duck on top, still drew the same exaggerated characteristics that they required for the duck. So that was kind of funny. It was kind of a neat little article ran across. Chris Arendt wrote the article, so I'll go ahead and give credit where credit is due. But, yeah, I thought it was interesting. So there was more going on besides Gerber's rights to the character. More going on, too, with Disney getting involved, just to make things worse. [00:05:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:09] Speaker A: And now I could understand, too, more of the God Corp stuff sort of fits, you know, at the time, I don't know that Disney would have been classified as, like, the God Corp, but definitely now. [00:05:21] Speaker B: Now? Oh, my. Yeah, now for sure. [00:05:27] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I was watching some Loki last it's yeah, I really like season one. I watched the first two episodes of season two. [00:05:40] Speaker B: If I could only log into my Disney Plus account that I pay for. Apparently, I've been logged out. I don't know what's going oh, I. [00:05:53] Speaker A: Can'T help you if you can't get into your own accounts. [00:05:55] Speaker B: And I can't remember my password. [00:05:57] Speaker A: This is why you need a dan to manage your computers. [00:06:00] Speaker B: That's why I need to write these things down or something. I'm an old man now, people. I'm an old man. [00:06:05] Speaker A: You're going to write all your passwords in a handwritten book? [00:06:09] Speaker B: I am. I'm going to put them on the underside of my table tray that I sit with when I eat my dinner in front of the TV. [00:06:16] Speaker A: You are an old man. [00:06:18] Speaker B: No, I just hang out with my grandma a lot. [00:06:22] Speaker A: How does Grandma keep track of passwords? [00:06:24] Speaker B: She keeps them in a handwritten notebook stuck to the bottom of her table tray. [00:06:31] Speaker A: Does she really? [00:06:32] Speaker B: No, she doesn't. She got a mind like a damn steel trap. She doesn't need to write down well. [00:06:38] Speaker A: If she had the passwords I keep, she would need to write stuff. [00:06:42] Speaker B: She knows everything. It's crazy. [00:06:46] Speaker A: Well, we have another issue of Destroyer Duck, which we haven't even started talking about, and we have got a cover here. [00:06:51] Speaker B: We've been talking for, like, 2 hours. Dude. [00:06:53] Speaker A: We've got like, yeah, that's normal. [00:06:57] Speaker B: If only the people listening to this podcast knew that we I think people. [00:07:02] Speaker A: Would have been incredibly bored by our previous the. We were not. So that's all that matters. So we've got Duke flying in on a looks like an Indiana Jones cover. [00:07:13] Speaker B: It does look like an Indiana Jones cover for Mean. He's coming in on, I don't know, like a rope. A rope, yeah, a rope. A rope. He's got a like it's Indiana Jones esque in the sense that he's, like, swinging in on something. But yeah, it's very like Romancing the Stone. He's blasting with a gun. [00:07:35] Speaker A: A burp military folks carrying off Vanilla Cupcake. We've got cherry's jubilee hanging out in the middle of the page. I don't know where Brad is. [00:07:46] Speaker B: He's not there, man. Brad's not here, man. He's not here. [00:07:50] Speaker A: Brad's gone. [00:07:53] Speaker B: Brad's gone, man. [00:07:55] Speaker A: Oh, there's all sorts of things. First off, we get some more we get some more notes about this issue, which is always great. Here's something I love. So there's a six panel first page, and Jack Kirby redrew the whole page because he didn't like the angle of the third little television thing. So this is one of those classic pages. Page one is one of those classic pages where you've got, like, the television screens and we've got Vanilla Cupcake on tour. And she's hanging out with the Reagans. [00:08:27] Speaker B: Hey, how 80s can you get? [00:08:31] Speaker A: How 80s could you get? And she sings a song, and Ronnie says, why vanilla cupcake? That was a swell song. Golly wogs, Mr. President, thank you so very much. I love you. Oh, God. I was expecting you to do some Reagan for us, but we'll pass on this. Well, I'm not going to even try. [00:08:54] Speaker B: People are from the bottom. [00:09:00] Speaker A: That wasn't it. You got a shot. That's it. [00:09:02] Speaker B: I had a shot. I can't do it. When people put me in the spot for presidents, I can't do them. When I'm just sitting around, all of a sudden they just come out. It's like, boom. I've got. [00:09:16] Speaker A: Gee, Nancy. [00:09:18] Speaker B: Gee, Nancy. Too much. [00:09:21] Speaker A: You got too much Southern in that because it's hard. You slip into not going to do it. See that one? [00:09:27] Speaker B: It's so easy to do. Yeah. Tanner was getting he was like, you used to do the best Bush impersonation. And I was like and I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. [00:09:40] Speaker A: Well, it's just another morning in America. [00:09:43] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. No, not the phone. [00:09:46] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh is what we were looking for. That was it. [00:09:50] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. [00:09:51] Speaker A: Well, anyway, now you Southern it up. Well, this issue is called Spineless Wonders. [00:09:58] Speaker B: Spineless Wonders. [00:09:59] Speaker A: Completely related to the presidency. It's, actually. Spineless wonders. It's a description of American president since Jimmy Clinton. Is this a stare down? [00:10:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. I personally had this conversation with my grandmother the other day. [00:10:24] Speaker A: Well, Jimmy Carter is actually older than your grandmother. [00:10:30] Speaker B: I know. [00:10:31] Speaker A: Barely. [00:10:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Barely yeah. They're roughly close in age. [00:10:38] Speaker A: He's, like, six years older, I think. [00:10:40] Speaker B: Yeah, six years older. [00:10:41] Speaker A: Well, we find out that Mead Packer and his charming, vulnerable licensing bonanza depart for the you know do you know where Dulles Airport is? [00:10:50] Speaker B: I do. I've flown in there a couple of times in Washington, DC. [00:10:54] Speaker A: Yep. And it's actually in yeah. [00:10:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:59] Speaker A: Do you know they're finally completing a train line there? [00:11:03] Speaker B: Really? Finally. [00:11:04] Speaker A: Yep. They finally have completed a train line there. So you can actually take the Metro all the way out to Dulles now. [00:11:09] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:11:10] Speaker A: It's pretty cool. [00:11:12] Speaker B: They wish they'd add that, then take cabs. [00:11:16] Speaker A: Cabs are really expensive to go to Dulles. Reagan national is much closer to everything. It wasn't called Reagan National, though, when this book came out. [00:11:24] Speaker B: No. Because. [00:11:29] Speaker A: Doles is named after no. [00:11:32] Speaker B: John Foster Doles, the guy who made the bananas dessert. Those are delicious. [00:11:38] Speaker A: Okay. Yep. And we're going to move on from. [00:11:44] Speaker B: It'S. [00:11:44] Speaker A: Like, when Anne asks me trivia questions, and I know that Edmund Muskie worked in the Carter administration, and Anne is like, what? [00:11:54] Speaker B: I don't understand. [00:11:55] Speaker A: How do you know that Anne is Greg's wife? By the like, when her store first opened, she did, like, a Trivial Pursuit discount. Like, if you got the question and got all these discounts yeah. [00:12:07] Speaker B: She's like, you're done, you're done. You're working here. You can't do. [00:12:14] Speaker A: We'Ve got we're back to our fight with all the Cogburns, and there are a lot of everywhere. [00:12:22] Speaker B: Okay. Just for the listeners. It's a splash page. It's a very beautiful splash page. It is 12345 and a half Cogburns. [00:12:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that 6123. You're right. Four, five, and one. There's one down below. Or is that Brad? I can't tell if it's Brad down under everything or if that's a Cogburn. Brad. No, I see Brad. Brad's over there. There's a Cogburn foot down at the bottom. [00:12:57] Speaker B: But yeah. [00:12:57] Speaker A: And we got bullets going on everywhere. We got Duke firing away. We've got Cherries throwing her cherry. No, she's using her big cherry ball. [00:13:07] Speaker B: Yeah. She's smashing people. It's very much like, very Kill Bill esque. It's a ball and chain battle weapon. [00:13:17] Speaker A: And her outfit is creepy as. [00:13:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, the doll face thing that she's got a it's a nightmare fuel action going on. She's like, don't kill them. Don't kill them. Because she knows something we don't know. Yes. [00:13:32] Speaker A: Wow. And she doesn't want to kill them. And Duke's like, if you say so, lady. But they're not exactly pleading for mercy. This is a minimal Duke issue, by the way. There's a lot of non Duke action going on. Duke's here the whole time. But it's like, Duke could not be in the story, and it would still be happening. [00:13:51] Speaker B: It's a cherry issue. It's a very cherry issue. [00:13:55] Speaker A: Well, she starts throwing some cherry bombs and eviscerating. We find out a lot about the Cogburns in the next few issues. So I don't know if Steve Gerber was upset with the people that worked for Marvel Comics or anything. [00:14:14] Speaker B: Why say? [00:14:16] Speaker A: Why say well, he made an entire character that was like a spineless company drone. But first, before we get there, Cherry, Brad and Duke run out. They get a taxi and they start heading to Field or anyway, they're going to the airport. They're going to JFK. It was prongus I forgot that. [00:14:45] Speaker B: They're going to the JFK airport. [00:14:47] Speaker A: Where's that? That is in New York City, sir. Get a rope. Oh, wait. [00:14:55] Speaker B: That'S a weird commercial. [00:14:57] Speaker A: Salsa commercial. [00:14:58] Speaker B: Salsa. [00:14:59] Speaker A: That was a salsa commercial. [00:15:00] Speaker B: Yeah, salsa commercial. [00:15:04] Speaker A: Well, anyway, New York City, when they find out that salsa is made in New York City, it was not a great commercial, but it had a great catch. [00:15:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:13] Speaker A: So I don't think that commercial would fly. [00:15:19] Speaker B: Get there'd be a boycott or something. People would be going into stores. Yeah, people would be going into stores and just knocking that stuff off the shelves. Just for the YouTube or for the TikTok videos. Look what I did at Walmart when. [00:15:38] Speaker A: It was Pace and they were making fun of old El Paso, which was apparently not made in El Paso. If you want into the salsa wars. [00:15:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, man. It was crazy. Back in the 80s. You would never believe there was salsa wars. It was nuts. [00:15:54] Speaker A: Better than the ice cream. Price fixing. [00:15:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Choco tacos. [00:15:59] Speaker A: No, not choco tacos. [00:16:02] Speaker B: Are you talking about just like the regular ice cream? [00:16:04] Speaker A: Talking about Ben and Jerry's versus Haagendas. Look it up. Fantastic. Anyway, I cannot go down that rabbit hole. [00:16:13] Speaker B: Sorry. I'm sorry. [00:16:14] Speaker A: Pause on that. It is fascinating. I'll just say. Go to the cafe and see if you see Ben and Jerry's selling any standard flavors besides vanilla. They're not, and there's a reason for that. But Haagendas doesn't sell a bunch of specialty flavors for the most part. I want you to think about that next time you're looking at the ice. They head to the hangar and then we get the story of the God Corp Cogburns. And Cherry explains they are Godcorp Company men, born and bred in laboratories of medical concepts. L D Ltd. Sorry. [00:17:02] Speaker B: Ltd with the car. [00:17:04] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. When Ltd? The Limited bringing me back. Remember, we didn't have the Ltd. We had the Mercury Marquee. [00:17:19] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. [00:17:20] Speaker A: But not the Grand Marquee. [00:17:22] Speaker B: The Marquee. [00:17:23] Speaker A: Marquee. But the Grand Marquee and the Ltd were the same car. But we just had the Marquee or the tan car. Yeah, the marquee. [00:17:33] Speaker B: Yeah, the cop car. [00:17:35] Speaker A: But no. That's the Grand Marquee. [00:17:38] Speaker B: Okay. [00:17:39] Speaker A: The Marquee was my small, boxy looking car. Not small, but it yeah. Effectually. Yeah, yeah. But it was not a Chrysler. [00:17:51] Speaker B: I like the style of those cars for some just they look neat to me. [00:17:57] Speaker A: I did not think our car looked neat in any way. It was a car that hauled the family around. [00:18:01] Speaker B: I like the style of the laugh. [00:18:06] Speaker A: You can find one really cheap these days. [00:18:09] Speaker B: If I had the space to put it in, I would have one of those. A pacer and a gremlin. [00:18:15] Speaker A: Well, I've been totally distracted. They're Godcorp company men. When Godcorp acquired spoot Pharmaceuticals, which I haven't figured out the connection here yet, but maybe by next week. In 1980. They immediately went to work applying spoots advanced biotechnology. The Cogburns are genetic replications of a God Corp employee who mysteriously resigned after years of loyal service and was never seen again except through a microscope as a specimen of DNA. So they killed one of their employees who was loyal to them, and then they made facsimiles of this employee. The best part of this is they are grown without spines and then a spine is grown and that's their prodigy. So that spine you saw going off in the previous issue was actually the prodigy of the current spineless employee. [00:19:03] Speaker B: Okay. [00:19:04] Speaker A: And naturally, the Cogburns themselves remain ignorant of all of this so that they don't know what's going on. [00:19:10] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:19:11] Speaker A: And she says Cherry says the machismo posturing, the overblown ego, and the company man mentality are all artificially encoded in their genes. They never question what the company tells them because to do so would threaten their self image, but not his intelligence. The copies were always stupider and capable of independent thought and mindlessly. Self destructive scientists compensated for those deficiencies by redesigning the Cogburns in a quasi human form they called a pregnant. And that was the spine that regrows the shape. And that's why we saw the Cogburn wearing the shirt that said Damn, I'm good. [00:19:57] Speaker B: Yes. And honestly, I want a shirt that says that because it's freaking rad. [00:20:04] Speaker A: Maybe we should get some of these shirts to wear at work. [00:20:10] Speaker B: We should get like, funny book Forensics on the sleeve and Damn, I'm good shirts made. That would be hilarious. [00:20:18] Speaker A: We could sell those if you read this. That's a good one. Yeah, I like it. I'm actually noting this down right now. [00:20:29] Speaker B: If you're listening and you like this idea, tell us because we'll make that shirt. I would wear the shit. [00:20:36] Speaker A: Maybe I know what Greg's getting for Christmas now. [00:20:39] Speaker B: You already told me what I'm getting for Christmas. You didn't tell me, but you said I'm getting something cool. [00:20:44] Speaker A: Well, Greg is getting something for Christmas and we will have an unveiling around Christmas time. So look out for that. We'll have a special maybe video know. We will have a special video podcast on the YouTube. The YouTube. The only YouTube the like. And we will unveil Greg's Christmas gift later this month. I don't have a date for you yet, but it'll happen sometime at Christmasy time. [00:21:09] Speaker B: Is it a skibibi toilet? [00:21:12] Speaker A: No more. Guesses what we find out is that their genetic structure, they can actually unbirth themselves and take a few victims along with them, but they don't like doing that. They like to get more of themselves. Well, we're off to the airport, and they see a control tower and a plane, and they're trying to go to. [00:21:43] Speaker B: Field. [00:21:43] Speaker A: Brad is panicking in the. [00:21:47] Speaker B: Bit of he's a ball nurse. [00:21:50] Speaker A: And now this one I'm a little suspect of, but all of a sudden oh, I guess he's wearing oh, he takes his hat off. So their cabby unveils himself to be Uranus P. Chicago. Do you remember this? So he had been hit by the pheromones of the mommy. Yeah. While he was in jail. Right. And loves her forever. And now he's back working for Enforcement Concepts. So Duke made a mistake by letting him live, apparently. [00:22:24] Speaker B: I like that he calls him hey, duckhead. Yeah, duckhead. Start calling people dead. [00:22:32] Speaker A: What? That was a clothing line? [00:22:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. [00:22:36] Speaker A: It was ducks on shirts. [00:22:38] Speaker B: Yeah, ducks on shirts. [00:22:40] Speaker A: I wonder if Disney sued them. [00:22:41] Speaker B: They should have. [00:22:43] Speaker A: Yeah, clearly that was back in big dog days. Yeah, that was some duckhead. [00:22:48] Speaker B: Duck. Oh, wow. [00:22:50] Speaker A: They were ducking. Amazing. Well, yeah. Enforcement Concepts had me hang around the neighborhood in case the Cogworns failed to squish the cherry lady. Uranus has them, and he has them barreling toward a 747. So can you tell us a little bit about this aircraft, sir? [00:23:10] Speaker B: So I can tell you a lot about it. What do you want to know? [00:23:15] Speaker A: Well, one, why don't you tell me about why it has an upstairs right. [00:23:19] Speaker B: Above the it has an upstairs above. So as a two level aircraft, it has an upstairs above? It has a lounge, traditionally in most of them. So your first class has a first class lounge? It has a staircase. You can climb up and go and enjoy that lounge area. There's seating up there for people who purchased a ticket. They no longer actually, most continental flights don't have these in service because they sunset this model several years ago. Internationally, though, it was a spiral staircase, right? Spiral staircase, yes. They still do use this basin format as the presidential plane. So it is the plane that is used for Air Force One and Air Force Two. It was designed interiorly by the creator of Heman Odly Enough. He was a designer for the Boeing Company and did a lot of the interior design and cargo bays and other items and really neat and intricate aspects of how the aircraft interior looked and worked and made it. So it had a very futuristic look at the time, unlike any other aircraft in skies. Currently, right now, any operational 747 is turned into a freighter, and you can see them if you see any flying or on the ground. Usually they are used by anybody flying freight I. E. Ups. [00:25:04] Speaker A: So they kept the bar in them for the pilots? [00:25:07] Speaker B: No, they've used the upper lounge areas now for any staff that might be flying. It's been converted for more seating and stuff like that. If there's any staff or other people. [00:25:21] Speaker A: That are sure it's not a bar. [00:25:22] Speaker B: Up there for no, it's not a bar up there anymore, but the bars upstairs, I remember as a kid, because the first time I ever flew on one, I walked up the stairs and I freaked out because I was like, this is amazing. It was such a neat aircraft to be on when they were operational. Because if you've flown on any aircraft in the last few years, you're like, oh, wow, these are so cool because the lights above and everything like that so neat, so technological. But there's something about an aircraft with a staircase that you go up and you leave everything else behind and you are now transported into this whole other area. And it doesn't seem like it just didn't feel like it was real. [00:26:08] Speaker A: Right? Not a den of sadness. [00:26:10] Speaker B: Not a den of sadness. Yeah, it's not a Skybust. [00:26:12] Speaker A: Not like the last flight we flew on where that lady wouldn't let us sit next to each other. [00:26:17] Speaker B: That was terrible. But then we did get first class, so that was cool. [00:26:21] Speaker A: Yeah, we did. Well, I was going to ask you what would happen, hypothetically, like in this issue, if a car ran into the front tires of a seven. [00:26:33] Speaker B: Well, I would say it would probably drop the front end of the plane, hypothetically. From my knowledge of aircraft maintenance and durability, if a motor vehicle of this type would hit the front end of it, it would probably damage the front end landing gear, bringing the plane down on his nose, damaging it. I don't think what we see in the next couple of panels would happen to the extent depending on payload and other things like that, because where everything is kept and stored in the aircraft, it wouldn't give you this dramatic effect. But that's without saying because we don't know. I mean, speed, velocity and other things like that. Both the aircraft and the car are traveling at such a high rate, if it was parked, it definitely would just drop. But because we see both of them speeding towards each other, my assumption is that the car would clip the wheel, the plane would drop to the ground, and the car would probably travel underneath it, scraping the underbelly. And then probably at that point, by the time it hit the midsection, it probably would burst into a wall of flames. [00:27:51] Speaker A: Well, in this case, it's not so good for the plane. I hope nobody's on it because the car gets we one uranus p. Chicago is no more, and everybody else dives out and we get a nice picture. But yeah, in this case, in these panels, the plane goes all lost on us. And I mean lost the television show because we got engines everywhere. Oh, yeah, it's not good time for the plane. And then we get to some inked pages. Yeah, you must not have had the pencils for a couple yeah, inking. They complained about the inking, but I like the inking here. [00:28:31] Speaker B: It's really. [00:28:34] Speaker A: Uh, we meet Mr. Pablo Angus Smoosh. He's really drunk. [00:28:44] Speaker B: He's very drunk. [00:28:45] Speaker A: They are seriously at this point, doubting cherry's jubilees plans. [00:28:54] Speaker B: To get them. [00:28:56] Speaker A: It doesn't seem he's he's really drunk. Well, we get a flip page. [00:29:04] Speaker B: I have to stop you before we flip, because she's like, this is looking very grim. This is looking very grim. Why couldn't she have used her pheromones in the president of TWA? [00:29:13] Speaker A: That's funny, because TWA doesn't exist. [00:29:16] Speaker B: One, they don't exist anymore, but two, they did fly a lot of 747. [00:29:20] Speaker A: Man, which is why they don't exist anymore. Hey, no, for once I was actually not insulting Boeing, in this case, the 747. They had a whole fleet of 747 stationed out of St. Louis as their hub. And the 747 was too expensive to operate when it's actually Reagan's fault, because when Reagan deregulated the airlines, the 747 now became too expensive to operate because of the price wars that were started by Southwest, among other regional carriers. And TWA's business model was old and dead. And so TWA went out of business in the 90s, left a whole giant airport at St. Louis just being basically unused. And St. Louis, the city has never recovered since TWA actually went down. So it's actually kind of a sad story. But also good point. It's an interesting historical point that I love when I'm glad you pointed out, because this is a fun one, because he references TWA. But yeah, TWA's business of flying those big 747s around the US. Not such a good idea because it's more of an international plane. [00:30:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:36] Speaker A: Long haul jet. And they were using them for luxury, basically. [00:30:40] Speaker B: Right. I was going to say two other things. 747. If those want to see something super cool, watch a Snoop Dogg movie where he has a 747 as the airplane for his airline. I can't remember the name of the movie now, but it is just look up Snoop Dogg on IMDb and it's really cool. They have a totally pimped out 747. Super awesome. And then secondly, on your point about Reagan deregulating the airlines, at the same time, he also did the thing with the air traffic controllers. Yes, he did. And they all walked off. Imagine a world where all the air traffic controllers just walked off. They did that for like, air traffic. [00:31:24] Speaker A: Controllers went on strike. And then Ronald Reagan told them that it was illegal for them to go on strike, which also busted unions. Reagan did some really popular things. It's obviously made society better. We're all paid so much better now. And we don't have TWA anymore. Deregulating the airlines, though, that's one, that probably was fair. But the strike, I don't know. I'm getting into politics now, which I should never do on this podcast, so I shouldn't say it was probably fair. But deregulate, I'm going to say this, deregulating, the airlines allowed access to air travel. That for people that never would have had access to it. Now, like if the airlines were still have greg could afford to fly on planes and I couldn't. [00:32:11] Speaker B: But I would say the interesting thing about that though is that we would wouldn't I think maybe possibly we might not have some of the wildness that is on airplanes right now. [00:32:33] Speaker A: Yeah, that's also fair. Anyway, we could go down this rabbit hole. But I'll just say yeah, there was a few interesting decisions made there that this book ends up inadvertently referencing. [00:32:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:52] Speaker A: So meanwhile, at an Alpine chalet can I just interrupt the podcast momentarily? [00:33:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:03] Speaker A: I just got a message from Nolan. [00:33:07] Speaker B: And what did Nolan podcast saying? [00:33:09] Speaker A: That him and the boys just did a cold plunge. [00:33:12] Speaker B: Oh, God. [00:33:12] Speaker A: 29 degree weather. [00:33:19] Speaker B: That's wild. [00:33:20] Speaker A: Okay. And now we'll bring you back to this regular scheduled podcast because meanwhile, in an Alpine chalet see, it actually it fits. Owned by the world's largest corporation. We hoped that all of the people here would have gone for a cold plunge and not come back. But unfortunately, we get Mr. Upwind, the new CEO of God Corp, and we find the contract. This is so creepy. So the all right, so the Hocom Liberation Front, which I'm not supposed to say because of what's going on right now, it wants to be sure that they're getting fissionable materials. So I'll just say if you're uncomfortable about current events, we are too. I'm just going to say that I think everybody's uncomfortable. But the book is addressing some of these things. So we will cover it, but we're not going to get into the politics of it. I won't even close to where we were with the air traffic controllers and things like that. I'll just say that basically the group is trying to get fissionable materials for their war with the other folks. And remember the dude flew away last time, the general. So now he's here with Godcorp and Wobbalina's in there and she's like device. And this is the first time she's found out that they're going to make them a nuclear bomb and they get their contract for this. A 99 year lease on the petroleum rights of Hocomb signed on a woman. That's being trafficked. This is some dark shit. [00:35:15] Speaker B: Yeah, it's pretty messed up. [00:35:24] Speaker A: One thing I will say about the dark shit in these books though, that Gerber does, you get it for a page. He doesn't pound it into your. [00:35:37] Speaker B: Is it is one page and maybe two panels of the realization and then it's not like whole book of it. [00:35:48] Speaker A: And he really hates corporations. [00:35:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:52] Speaker A: Well, we're back on air parangus. Air Parangus, which is a not a propeller plane. [00:35:58] Speaker B: Yeah. It looks like something that was delivering. [00:36:01] Speaker A: Mail and they're flying it across the Atlantic Ocean in a storm. [00:36:07] Speaker B: Duke. [00:36:07] Speaker A: Looks terrified. That's the first time we've seen Duke actually look terrified. Yeah, usually he's cool, calm, and collected. They have to wake up the pilot, Pablo in the middle. And Brad is not happy, as usual. [00:36:25] Speaker B: He is a bigger ball of nerves. Like if Duke's not happy, Brad is like he is a human diaper. [00:36:35] Speaker A: We also find out that they're going to arrive 13 hours after everybody else does because they have to stop three times for fuel. [00:36:43] Speaker B: Well, that's legitimate because it's a small plane. [00:36:49] Speaker A: So they're going to get there in 37 hours. So she should have convinced Ewa to do it. [00:36:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:55] Speaker A: Well, we get back to lower Manhattan and we find our friend the lawyer and the lawmobile. [00:37:06] Speaker B: It's a big car. [00:37:07] Speaker A: I like, and do all mine have big cars? I don't know, but Cogburn murders, so oh gosh, our friend the lawyer is no more. This seems like a bad way to go for him. Well, I guess we don't know that he's dead for sure. [00:37:27] Speaker B: Yeah, we don't know that he's dead for sure. [00:37:30] Speaker A: Maybe alive. [00:37:31] Speaker B: Carpenter just sabotaged the vehicle. [00:37:35] Speaker A: Gerber seems to do things very deliberately in these books, so I'm going to guess he'll show up again. But who knows? [00:37:41] Speaker B: We don't know. [00:37:42] Speaker A: We know it'll be a plot point. So maybe waiting. Well, as the exploding lawmobile illuminates the bowery, midnight dawn breaks over Hocom and the general is back. And they're like a splendor of greetings. General, all goes according to plan. Vanilla cupcake has departed the US. And they should all have those spinny twirly mustaches because that's where we're at. [00:38:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:13] Speaker A: And they're talking about the enemy. So let's see. Do they name the enemy? Oh, yeah. It's pakmani. They think he's going to be upset and that he might try to kill Vanilla Cupcake. And that'll be great because then everybody will hate them. Okay, so they're trying to sway world opinion. And then we get the Godcorp logo, grab it all, own it all, drain it all, etched into the country. And they're going to drain all the oil, right? [00:38:44] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the goal. Yeah. [00:38:47] Speaker A: And then we see a Cogburn, and they're like, oh, no. And he's like, no, I'm on your side. I'm a company man. [00:38:55] Speaker B: I'm here to help. [00:38:56] Speaker A: Yeah. They're like, oh, okay. And they're like, oh, we do need his employer, so we're all friends again. But Cogburn's like, ah, before your photo op, General, you better shave. So the general goes and shaves. They bring some orphaned girls to meet Vanilla Cupcake and we get started. She goes up to give the general a big kiss, and bam, bam. They're getting shot again by the Ghost Brigades. So I'm not sure why they thought this was a good idea. Like he fled the country before and they were shooting him. Well, anyway, basically everyone dies except Vanilla Cupcake, who was picked up by the Ghost Brigades. And yeah, Ned Packer looks on and Jewel, the mom looks on, they don't do anything. They just let them capture vanilla cupcake. And vanilla cupcake is swooped up by the enemy, and we have no more leader of the government there. And Duke and Cherry's jubilee arrive. [00:40:20] Speaker B: Hey, everybody, we're here. [00:40:22] Speaker A: But something important happens at the end of this book. [00:40:25] Speaker B: What's that? [00:40:26] Speaker A: Well, Duke says, yeah, something crazy about Cogburns and genetic science and how you said they could screw around with the facsimile's memory. She's like, I don't follow you. That'd be cherry. And Duke says, look, if they can duplicate pink primates, how much more difficult could it be to duplicate a duck, especially a little duck? And if the duplicate didn't know it was a duplicate what are you getting at? Something that Godcorp cut open. Bled to death on my carpet a while back. I thought that something was the little guy. Now, though, all my deductive instincts are starting to get this funny. Itch, what if the little guy is alive? Next issue, the astonishing conclusion destroyer of Worlds. And then we get a letter from Stephen R. Gerber to Dean Mulaney. We're going to save part of this letter for next issue. Okay, but there is something in this letter I'm going to share, all right? And I'll read you this line. I've tried to communicate this to you before, and you've always attributed my doubts to the lawsuits having been settled or the possibility that I might be doing Howard again. So at this point, the issue five was being written. They have settled the lawsuit. And so Gerber may he won something. [00:42:05] Speaker B: Maybe. [00:42:06] Speaker A: Or at least the lawsuit was settled. [00:42:08] Speaker B: Yeah, because it's 1983 now. [00:42:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Maybe this has changed Gerber's outlook on doing this book. [00:42:21] Speaker B: We shall see. I don't know. [00:42:23] Speaker A: We shall see. It's a cliffhanger on both ends. Vanilla cupcake back. [00:42:29] Speaker B: Will they? [00:42:30] Speaker A: I don't know. Will we get more issues of Destroyer Duck? [00:42:35] Speaker B: Will Gerber do Howard? [00:42:38] Speaker A: We know that. Yeah. So it can happen. Now, there is something important to share with you. Well, if we go are you ready? [00:42:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Tell me. [00:43:02] Speaker A: I thought we should learn about the settlement of this lawsuit by the most credible source ever, one Jim Shooter. [00:43:13] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:43:14] Speaker A: Well, right. Yeah. I mean, after all, he was the editor in chief and president of Marvel Comics. [00:43:19] Speaker B: Right, of course. [00:43:21] Speaker A: And he says, in early 1981, Steve Gerber sued Marvel Comics over ownership of Howard the Duck. I wasn't at Marvel when the duck first came to be. Almost all of what was at issue happened before my time or during the time I was associate editor and not involved in a management capacity. Therefore, I wasn't much involved in the litigation. He seems defensive. The litigation took place while I was editor in chief, however, so I was copied on many documents and otherwise made aware of the progress of the thing. I have copies of a number of letters, memos, and documents relating to the case. No, I'm not going to post them here except for two letters below. What a dick. As I understand it, what happens is as follows. A mountain of motions and responses were made by both sides. Gerberside lost the war of motions. Gerber's side's likelihood of prevailing on anything of substance was virtually nil. In order to avoid wasting more money on legal expenses, marvel made a de minimis settlement offer. Being in a hopeless position, Gerber's side accepted it. It was that or scorched earth. So there you go. [00:44:45] Speaker B: In typical shooter fashion. [00:44:47] Speaker A: Amber strong shooter, by the way. He said a couple, but he posted three. Yeah, it's fantastic, but it is a piece of. [00:45:04] Speaker B: Interesting. Interesting. I like that you brought this evidence to our podcast today, Dan, for us to review. [00:45:15] Speaker A: It's always good. Now, Mr. Shooter, you may have been a complete asshole, but eventually I'm going to want to interview you, and we're going to want to talk about your childhood exploits into writing with Mort Weisinger and what you did on Legion of Superheroes. And I'm actually really curious about the backup stories you did for Action Comics as they transition out of the Adventure Comics, and how you brought more adult themes. How did those themes link up to your childhood? And as you grew up, I'm really interested. You did bring some cool things. You transitioned the Legion of Superheroes from the Silver Age to the Bronze Age, and I'll always be thankful for that. [00:45:52] Speaker B: Right. [00:45:53] Speaker A: But you're kind of an asshole. [00:45:55] Speaker B: You kind of dropped the ball with all this stuff over. Yeah, yeah. What's the deal, man? What's the deal? [00:46:07] Speaker A: And he says, from the point of view of Marvel's top brass, they had made the suit and legal expense go away for nothing. They were very pleased and unconcerned about whatever grief doing so might engender me. But he was part of the top brass at that point. [00:46:24] Speaker B: Yeah. How could you do Gerber like the. [00:46:26] Speaker A: One that did that? [00:46:27] Speaker B: Yeah, you did gerber like this, Mr. Shooter. [00:46:31] Speaker A: You could have stood up like he's ah, it happened before me, so I wasn't involved. I was just on the and so he's like, oh, they made this decision, and then it made me look bad. [00:46:48] Speaker B: So easy to say that from your ivory tower. [00:46:51] Speaker A: Yes. There are some fun responses to this. [00:46:55] Speaker B: Oh, I bet. Read one. Is there a good little quip? [00:47:03] Speaker A: My favorite one is one we've already pointed out. Ironic now, seeing how Disney owns get into he says, and by the way, Disney's legal threats and demand for the duck to be redesigned happen. While I was associate editor, I wasn't involved. The redesign was handled on marvel's end by John Romita. Disney artists ultimately provided Marvel with a design Disney deemed acceptable. John actually seemed pleased to have gotten Disney to work with us, and he has some of the same drawings that are in the book by tomorrow's. So this is probably a blog post that's worth looking at. Yeah, if you were a Howard the Duck fan, but yeah, and this is Gerber and the Duck part. Just so there are more of these. [00:47:54] Speaker B: More dig into them, I might get me my shovel. [00:48:02] Speaker A: And hit Jim Shooter. Like what? [00:48:04] Speaker B: No, to dig in. To dig in. Not to hit Jim shooter. Man wow. [00:48:08] Speaker A: I shouldn't pick on Mr. Shooter in this case. After all, he's completely innocent at all of this. [00:48:13] Speaker B: Yeah, he said so. He said so in his blog post. [00:48:15] Speaker A: Nothing happened. Yeah, it's basically all genre. It's John Ramita's fault. [00:48:20] Speaker B: Yeah, he wasn't even there, Dan. It was the top rass at the time. [00:48:27] Speaker A: I do appreciate Jim Shooter for the COVID of The Omega Point, a science fiction screenplay by Jim Shooter that's on his blog. Because let me tell you, this is a cover that I will want to see forever. [00:48:42] Speaker B: Snap it and send it to me. [00:48:44] Speaker A: Okay, I'll do that. [00:48:48] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. I'll go to the blog and read the whole thing. [00:48:53] Speaker A: I'm pretty sure Jim Shooter did not create a grimbor. [00:48:59] Speaker B: A grimbor? [00:49:01] Speaker A: Yeah, but I don't know. Maybe based on that cover he did. So I don't know. Well, anyway, he's going to say he. [00:49:08] Speaker B: Did when I was 14 years old. [00:49:13] Speaker A: Maybe he did create grimbor. I'd have to actually go look. I am not sure. I assume it's Carrie Bates. Or maybe it's Paul Levitt. I don't know. We'd have to go find out. You know what? I'm not going to speculate on Grimbore anymore today. [00:49:28] Speaker B: If you had a chance to interview him, he'd say, well, actually, Dan, when I was 14 years old in my parents basement, I was thinking to myself. [00:49:38] Speaker A: The idea of Grimbor, what's the scariest. [00:49:40] Speaker B: Thing I could imagine in my childlike mind? Yeah, man. Leather jeans. Yes. [00:49:54] Speaker A: Well, based on the COVID of this book, like I said, he may well have created Grimbor. I don't so well, anyway, enough grimbor talk for this episode. We're not on to Grimbor the Chainsman right now, though it'd be amazing if he showed up in Destroyer Duck. But where we are at is at the end of a fine episode of this podcast where we covered important things like ducks. [00:50:19] Speaker B: Ducks. [00:50:19] Speaker A: Cherries jubilee. [00:50:21] Speaker B: Yes. [00:50:22] Speaker A: Murderer in the Middle East. [00:50:24] Speaker B: Yes. [00:50:24] Speaker A: Wait, not great. [00:50:26] Speaker B: Not great. [00:50:29] Speaker A: Again. And I bring it up because if you do go back and read this issue, I'm just going to warn you, it's timely to the time, but right now if you're reading it, I can see where it would not be a great read for some folks at this time. [00:50:44] Speaker B: It definitely will hit you with the okay. [00:50:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, it hit me with the oh, this fucking sucks, and it's been going on for a long, long time. So that's what it hit me with. But anyway, we still do recommend, however, getting the tomorrow's publishing graphite edition of Destroyer Duck. It's fantastic. [00:51:10] Speaker B: It's so good again. [00:51:12] Speaker A: John Morrow, thank you for putting this together. Obviously, I know John Morrow is a huge fan of Kirby, so I'm guessing that's part of why this came together. But this is amazing. So go out and get it. It's linked in the podcast notes. Also linked in the podcast notes is Absolute Zeroes. [00:51:31] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:51:32] Speaker A: A book by Greg Smith Tanner and Gabrielle Gomez. I'll learn it before I'll get it right someday. [00:51:43] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I will say fantastic team to work with. I mean, obviously I've been working with Mike since when we were in college, and Gabrielle is just a delight to be able to work with. Her art is fantastic. And if you like that kind of as, people who have seen the art are like, oh, my gosh, I'm getting some really good why can't I think of the name of the show right now? Oh, my gosh, the Tipper and His Sister in the woods with the uncle and the book. Come on now, Dan, you don't know. I got the characters. I got the character, man. Boy, oh, boy. [00:52:33] Speaker A: Is it like the Samson the dog? [00:52:36] Speaker B: No, it's not that. [00:52:38] Speaker A: It's not that not Bible tales. [00:52:40] Speaker B: No, it's not. [00:52:44] Speaker A: Well, you know what? While you think about this, we can bring this up on the next podcast. But I would just like to share once again, if you buy the hardcover edition of Absolute Zeros, you will indeed get a wonderful smelling book that smells like cherries, strawberries and vanilla, and you also get an MxPx CD. [00:53:04] Speaker B: People are going to start expecting this if they go and buy the book. You do not get that. You do not get that. [00:53:11] Speaker A: I'll tell you what, the next time Greg and I are to show, and I don't know when that's going to be, the first five people that buy the hardcover edition of this book will indeed get an MxPx CD. We're going to go find by me and Greg. [00:53:29] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. Okay. Yeah. I guess we can go find some MxPx. [00:53:33] Speaker A: Yeah. So find them. We already have them. They're ready to go find them. [00:53:39] Speaker B: I have two right here. [00:53:41] Speaker A: Yeah, see, one still that's plastic. How could you insult the finest band in Bremerton? [00:53:53] Speaker B: I'm not insulting them. I don't want to open it for prosperity. [00:53:56] Speaker A: We're keeping it safe. You're going to go get it graded. [00:54:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:01] Speaker A: Okay. [00:54:03] Speaker B: It's easily a nine nine. [00:54:05] Speaker A: Dan, I'll tell you what. So if you are either buying the book from Greg or you come to us at the table, the first five people that show up at the table either with a book for Greg to sign or buy a book from Greg. Right? [00:54:19] Speaker B: When the book comes out in, we. [00:54:20] Speaker A: Give you an MxPx CD that you will treasure forever. [00:54:28] Speaker B: You will treasure forever. This is like the time the kid came to the book signing and he was like, could you sign my and then he pulls out this CD. And I was like, what are you pulling out? I didn't make any music that would be on the CD. And he hands me a Creed CD. Will you sign this for me? And I was like, what? Sure. And he's like, I love your work, and I love this CD, and I'm never going to get rid of either. [00:55:10] Speaker A: Oh, my God. And I was like, him. He was higher. [00:55:14] Speaker B: I did. I guess I did. [00:55:17] Speaker A: Wow. He had some of the mushrooms that are growing out of my flower bed out. [00:55:23] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't know. But honestly, it was a very interesting moment. [00:55:35] Speaker A: Well, on that note, order Greg's book. Get an MxPx CD. I mean, what else could be better? [00:55:41] Speaker B: Heck, if you bring one to me, I'll sign it. [00:55:44] Speaker A: That's going to be a bring, Greg? An MxPx CD. He will sign it. I was hoping they'd want the book. [00:55:50] Speaker B: Signed, but I'll sign your books, too, of course. But, I mean, that'd just be funny. [00:55:54] Speaker A: As hell to have people come bring you MxPx. I love, you know, move to Bremerton and a famous MxPx song if people. [00:56:07] Speaker B: Don'T my my college roommate went to high school with. [00:56:14] Speaker A: Uh, important things. Yeah. Anyway, buy the book. The link is if you pre order. That supports Greg and Mike. So we appreciate that. The pre order link is also in the podcast notes. So yeah, that's it for this episode. Just to give you a little bit of preview what's going coming up. We're going to finish out the Destroyer Duck series. I think five and six, maybe seven, but five and six for sure. [00:56:40] Speaker B: I don't know if there is seven. [00:56:42] Speaker A: I think there is some back matter. We'll probably cover the back matter when we cover six. And then we are going to review because we read issue one through three of Alpha Dogs by John Dexter. But we have the conclusion now, and we want to read issue four because we want to know what happened. So we're going from ducks to dogs. [00:57:02] Speaker B: Ducks to like, that's like the Northwest. [00:57:06] Speaker A: Pretty much finish out the end of the year. [00:57:08] Speaker B: And that's like, typical Northwest. You go Ducks to dogs. You're either Oregon Ducks or Washington dogs. You Dub. [00:57:18] Speaker A: I don't want to talk about it and jinx it because this podcast will come out after that. Just a lot of people think Ducks are going to win. [00:57:27] Speaker B: I know they are. [00:57:28] Speaker A: I'm hoping dogs will win. [00:57:30] Speaker B: I know the Ducks are going to win. [00:57:33] Speaker A: Well, I'm hoping dogs will win. [00:57:35] Speaker B: I'm hoping the Ducks will win. [00:57:36] Speaker A: It's all about dogs versus Ducks. [00:57:38] Speaker B: It's all about the dogs versus the Ducks. And we know who's going to win. [00:57:41] Speaker A: The Ducks so much hate right now anyway. I don't even care about football that much. But we are we want the superiority of our athletes that we recruit from all over the nation and world to beat the athletes that Oregon recruits from all over the nation in the world. [00:58:06] Speaker B: It gets me brownie points with my family in, so oh, I see. [00:58:11] Speaker A: Well, they got their quarterback from Auburn, and we got our quarterback from somewhere else, too, so I don't know. Auburn, Alabama. [00:58:19] Speaker B: I was like, Auburn, Washington? [00:58:21] Speaker A: No again? And you know what? We got to wrap this up. But I was just saying, the reason I don't get as excited about college sports anymore is because you used to actually recruit from around the area that the college was in. And then if the college had a great team, right, it was really cool because it was like the people in your state were all good and stuff, and now you just go get I mean, it's minor leagues, right? You just go get whatever you want. They can go to the college and it's fine. However, I'm glad the athletes are not treated like slaves anymore, too, and can actually have jobs, make money, et cetera, get the money. That change has been fantastic. I still think they probably could have done that without corporatizing the college sports. But, hey, next year Washington's going to be playing Rutgers in the regular season in New Jersey, so it totally makes sense for the University of Washington to play. [00:59:20] Speaker B: Totally, totally. [00:59:23] Speaker A: It makes sense. That's not going to be expensive at so they're going to actually just delete the debate team now and just give that straight to the plane flights for Rutgers. [00:59:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:36] Speaker A: So it's all good. Well, I don't want to relive my days of arguing for budgets at colleges for debate teams, so I think it's time for us to log out of here. I hope you had a fun journey with us on this one. I know I did, too. [00:59:52] Speaker B: Along for the ride. [00:59:55] Speaker A: He really was in this book. Just along for the ride. And we will see you later. Yeah, bye.