Episode Transcript
[00:00:06] Speaker A: And we are back and I'm feeling like a new man.
[00:00:09] Speaker B: Woo. All right. He's feeling new, people.
[00:00:12] Speaker A: I'm feeling new. Like I was aged and then brought back to life.
[00:00:17] Speaker B: What?
[00:00:18] Speaker A: That's what happens when you.
Or wait.
[00:00:24] Speaker B: That. Not yet. Too soon.
[00:00:27] Speaker A: Oh, it's not what?
[00:00:30] Speaker B: Like it is, but it's not. But it is. But it's not. But it's like you feel like Steve Trevor when he came out of the water and was almost dead, but now he's alive again.
[00:00:42] Speaker A: No, I feel like didn't. Oh, are you not making the Disney references? And that didn't work out well, did you know I've never watched the Lion King?
[00:00:58] Speaker B: Really?
[00:01:00] Speaker A: That's a factual statement.
[00:01:02] Speaker B: Wow.
That blows my mind.
[00:01:09] Speaker A: Yeah, well, why would it? So what Disney movies was I watching when I thought I was too good for the world back in the time that came out?
[00:01:18] Speaker B: Probably none. None at all.
[00:01:21] Speaker A: Not Disney movies, that's for sure.
[00:01:23] Speaker B: Yeah, that's probably true.
[00:01:24] Speaker A: Consequently, though, admittedly, Spoiler alert. But I couldn't afford to go to a lot of movies, and Disney didn't actually put their movies out on inexpensive, don't think. Or inexpensive purchases. And I don't think that family Night was going to be the Lion King at my house.
[00:01:50] Speaker B: Probably not. Probably not.
[00:01:52] Speaker A: When did the Lion King even come out?
[00:01:54] Speaker B: I want to say it came out sometime in the mid, early 90s. Really early, mid 90s.
We could take a look.
[00:02:08] Speaker A: Why not 1994?
Like I had any money in 1994.
[00:02:13] Speaker B: Yeah. You were a starving student.
[00:02:17] Speaker A: Starving freshman, college student when this movie came out. June 24, 1994. Yeah, I was finishing up my first year of school and hoping I had a job for the summer, which I did.
[00:02:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:30] Speaker A: 20 hours a week on the campus or 17 or whatever it was. Yeah, I was just rolling in money to go see the Lion King.
[00:02:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
Lion King was not high on the priority list for you.
[00:02:46] Speaker A: I apologize, everybody. I have my clicky keyboard back.
[00:02:49] Speaker B: Yes. Clicky keyboard.
[00:02:52] Speaker A: You're going to have to deal with Clicky keyboard when I look things up. I apologize.
[00:02:56] Speaker B: That's all right.
That's why I look things into the phone.
[00:03:01] Speaker A: What's been going on with you, Greg?
[00:03:03] Speaker B: Well, I mean, most recently, I took care of the yard and just trying to think.
The days just keep stacking on top of each other. So I blink and it's a new day in a new week in a new month. It feels.
I just. I don't know where time is.
I guess I will shamelessly plug that. Travis, Bret, David and myself are gearing up for Starlight issue number three to come out.
[00:03:43] Speaker A: What? Yeah, number three. Issue number pack. Issue three.
[00:03:47] Speaker B: No, hush your mouth. Starlight issue number three. We're going to do a Kickstarter for it in the upcoming week so you'll, I'm sure, be inundated and the Twitters will be taken over by Moi.
[00:04:05] Speaker A: You're going to take over Twitter?
[00:04:07] Speaker B: Well, I mean, like, at least our Starlight page.
[00:04:11] Speaker A: How does one take over Twitter?
[00:04:13] Speaker B: We just post fun memes and talk about the Kickstarter and try to hopefully get all the people to come hang out with us on our launch Day of May 4, which is a pretty stellar day. We're going to try to reach for the Stars and hit our 24 hours mark like we did last time. And we're going to watch some Star wars with folks while we do that.
[00:04:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Because you're releasing your Kickstarter on May the fourth, right?
[00:04:41] Speaker B: Yeah. So why not hang out with folks and watch some Star Wars?
[00:04:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
A roommate of mine will be having a lot of high Star Wars.
And when I say high Star wars, certainly I just mean, like, he's going to be in the Stars value of.
[00:04:59] Speaker B: Star wars and in the Stars.
[00:05:01] Speaker A: He'll be in the Stars. Yeah, there'll be a lot of high in the Stars Star wars happening on the fourth while I work.
[00:05:07] Speaker B: It's going to be elevated like a Jedi.
[00:05:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, it's good. Well, I've lost the beautiful lake house.
The puppy dog sits behind me on the bed. Sad. She thought I was going to get up to take her for a walk, and she was wrong, it turns out. By the way, I can watch the Lion King tonight if I want to.
You should. It is on the Disney Plus.
[00:05:36] Speaker B: You could watch the animated or the live action.
[00:05:40] Speaker A: Yeah. This would involve me going to Disney plus and clicking on something other than.
[00:05:47] Speaker B: Yeah, and I mean, there's a lot of fun stuff.
[00:05:50] Speaker A: I don't know that I've done that. Oh, wait, is Hamilton on there? Yes, it is. Okay, I've seen that. And Mr. Boogity, I've not seen that.
[00:06:00] Speaker B: You should.
[00:06:03] Speaker A: Well, okay, I have watched Captain America, Winter Soldier. Wait, while I did, like, four of them. I can't bring myself to watch the end because it's so terrible.
[00:06:14] Speaker B: I have not seen any of them. I'm waiting for to decide that it's time to sit down and shotgun them all.
[00:06:25] Speaker A: Anne is not going to like them. Really?
[00:06:28] Speaker B: You think?
[00:06:29] Speaker A: Yes, I think.
[00:06:30] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:06:32] Speaker A: Did Anne like that? I don't know anybody that likes it except for people on the mothership that, like, everything, like, Disney could poop out Sunshine and Rainbow Marvel movies, and they would be like, this is the greatest film ever.
Some people on the mothership, they're a little bit too much in love with anything Disney puts out with a marvel name on it.
Yeah, Captain America Winter Soldier. Or Captain America Winter Soldier. Well, spoiler, Falcon Winter Soldier is not good.
[00:07:15] Speaker B: Well, there you heard it, folks. Dan's opinion is not good. I have no opinion on it so far. So I will leave that up to my.
[00:07:26] Speaker A: Before we get into Wonder Woman and Stars and stripes here, because we're about to get into issue Four of Wonder Woman. While we're talking current events, what are your thoughts on US agent, the comic book character? Like, you've never seen this show, but were you a big fan of the US agent?
[00:07:44] Speaker B: I was a fan of West Coast Avengers and US agent. Being a West Coast Avenger, you definitely get hit with storylines of US agent in those stories, right?
[00:07:57] Speaker A: Yeah, and those were the worst part of the stories. Like, I wanted Hawkeye to punch him in the face.
[00:08:03] Speaker B: But see, that's the thing, though, over and over again. Sometimes you need a character like that to drive the rest of the story, right?
[00:08:15] Speaker A: Sure. Sometimes you need the thing that.
[00:08:20] Speaker B: You need the thing that you don't like to make the thing that you do, like, stand out.
[00:08:27] Speaker A: I guess that's fair. I hate that character.
[00:08:31] Speaker B: I'm not saying it's good. I'm not saying Us agent is good. And I'm not saying what you're saying.
[00:08:36] Speaker A: Is I'm mad because Disney has Ric Flair on TV.
That's what you're Telling me. Like, you're telling me I'm irrationally not liking the show because I'm not supposed to like this character.
[00:08:51] Speaker B: Yeah, you're not supposed to like the character.
[00:08:54] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm going to stop talking now because I'm going to end up spoiling the show.
Yes, but have you forgotten also, West Coast Avengers fan, that later on Marvel put US Agent and Hawkeye on the same team for no reason at all?
Again, you need and made them friends.
No, they made them friends because 90s comics were written well.
[00:09:22] Speaker B: This is true.
[00:09:23] Speaker A: No, it is not.
[00:09:31] Speaker B: 90S comics were written well, some and not these stories.
[00:09:36] Speaker A: Many were not written well.
I don't even remember the title of the book, but whatever the comic is where US Agent and Hawkeye are friends, I think Rhodey was in there.
It's again, do you remember Superman Red and Blue as another example of a fine mid 90s, well written comic?
[00:10:02] Speaker B: Again, another thing that you need one aspect of it to make you go, why?
[00:10:10] Speaker A: Because Superman's alive, Superman's dead. Superman's two of them.
[00:10:15] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:10:18] Speaker A: US Agent Sucks. US agent sucks. US agent Sucks. And US Agent still sucks.
I've got this idea for a character. All right?
We don't like Captain America anymore.
[00:10:34] Speaker B: Okay?
[00:10:34] Speaker A: So we're going to turn Captain America into the freaking Punisher.
This is a good idea.
The Punisher sells.
[00:10:44] Speaker B: Never.
[00:10:46] Speaker A: The Punisher is good for what, like, twelve issues every time he gets popular and then the character is gone. Right.
Okay, well, we're talking about Wonder Woman. We're talking about an 80s comic, and it's early 1987.
[00:11:04] Speaker B: The year is early 1987.
[00:11:06] Speaker A: Wonder Woman is. Well, she's looking good, but one of her hands not looking so good.
[00:11:14] Speaker B: No, not so great looking.
[00:11:17] Speaker A: Like.
[00:11:19] Speaker B: Yeah. This cover, like you said before we started recording that, it is just a prime example of great Perez just envisionment.
[00:11:31] Speaker A: It also shows that Perez can do Kirby Crackle, which makes me so happy.
[00:11:36] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, it's definitely popping because there's.
[00:11:39] Speaker A: Kirby Crackle in the debris, but there's Kirby Crackle coming right out of Decay's mouth and off of Wonder Woman's arm. It's a little Kirby craCkle. It's not a lot of Kirby crackle.
[00:11:50] Speaker B: But it's enough to get you what's.
[00:11:55] Speaker A: Ooh. Yeah. And it's clearly bad things because Kirby Crackle was usually bad things. It's bad things. Yeah. And then we've got decay on there Fighting Wonder Woman, holding Wonder Woman's arm.
And it says, as you said, her name is Decay and her touch means death.
Cued you up there. I was ready for you.
[00:12:17] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:12:17] Speaker A: And that's what a good podcast partnership is about, friends.
[00:12:21] Speaker B: It's togetherness.
[00:12:22] Speaker A: It's togetherness.
[00:12:24] Speaker B: It's just like us, Agent and Hawkeye together in the 90s. Just a good partnership.
[00:12:33] Speaker A: Well, and speaking of characters I don't like, we've got the doctor in the background who I love, but we've got Nessa in the background who I don't like at all. And she's not looking real good either.
[00:12:42] Speaker B: No, her pants are looking better than she is.
[00:12:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Her fancy starry stretch pants from the came back eighty s stretch pants.
There were things from the 80s that should have gone right.
[00:12:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay.
[00:12:58] Speaker A: Like stretch pants. But they stayed.
They're still here.
[00:13:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:05] Speaker A: Every Walmart in America cries out, no more.
Yet they're here. They're here still. Thank you, 80s. Thank you, Nessa. Thank you, Nessa, for your starry stretch pants. That's why I don't like you? Because those starry stretch pants spread across all Walmart, everywhere they're comfortable. All Walmarts. Every Walmart. There we go. Not Walmart. That's southern for Walmart. Every Walmart, everywhere they're comfortable.
[00:13:37] Speaker B: Have you never worn a pair of stretch pants?
[00:13:42] Speaker A: Okay, yes, but I wear them under things because we call them leggings or tights, and then I wear them under shorts. I don't hang my ass out of the stretchy pants for everybody to see. Maybe I should in certain locales. Maybe that's a good idea. I don't know.
[00:14:03] Speaker B: You never know. I mean, I find them comfortable.
[00:14:06] Speaker A: Stretch pants? No. Right. Like a pair of sweats. Sure, but, yeah. I don't know.
It's just.
I don't know.
[00:14:21] Speaker B: It's just not your thing. I get it.
[00:14:22] Speaker A: Not my thing. Well, let's turn to page one because we've got more Kirby Crockle coming out of a mouTh, and it is amazing.
[00:14:29] Speaker B: She is spewing and not into a Dixie cup. It's just like, everywhere.
Just destroying the house. The house is whatever the value of that house was, that whole neighborhood's value just went down.
[00:14:47] Speaker A: Well, the other thing is, I keep calling her doc, but really it's Professor Julia. So we've never been identified as a doctor. And quite frankly, for everybody out there that has a PhD, I don't want to just make her a doctor. After all, she just may have a master's degree. She just may really like.
[00:15:04] Speaker B: She just. That might be.
[00:15:07] Speaker A: I mean, this woman that knows, like, multiple languages and has her own library at the university definitely seems like just a master's degree type person to me.
[00:15:18] Speaker B: Just a master's degree type person.
[00:15:20] Speaker A: Just.
Well, it's just a master's degree.
Not everybody can have a doctorate in comics. It's important.
[00:15:30] Speaker B: Just you?
[00:15:32] Speaker A: Well, just me. And I'm a perfect because I study what I can't do. So here we go.
[00:15:39] Speaker B: So you say. But, I mean, we are working.
[00:15:43] Speaker A: Maybe. We'll see.
Things are going well. Anyway, 15 seconds ago, it became a battleground, an arena confrontation. I love the scripting.
I don't even remember who our first scriptor was. Now look at me. In my memory, it's just disappeared. Now we have Len Ween and George Perez. Len Weane. Scripts are so over the top, and.
[00:16:07] Speaker B: I mean, like, as if the visuals don't do it for you. The script visuals, definitely. Like, as you're reading it, you're like, oh, my gosh.
What?
[00:16:18] Speaker A: And daughter Vanessa is not looking good.
[00:16:20] Speaker B: Oh, no. She looks worked over.
[00:16:25] Speaker A: I love the fact that Wonder Woman's wearing a flannel like that is amazing.
[00:16:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Where did that come from?
[00:16:32] Speaker A: I don't. Well, maybe. Maybe her clothing decayed into, like, a decrepit old man from the Pacific Northwest.
[00:16:39] Speaker B: Oh, that makes sense.
[00:16:40] Speaker A: Yeah. She's going for the grunge trucker. Logger hat. Yeah, a logger hat.
[00:16:46] Speaker B: A trucker hat.
[00:16:47] Speaker A: Logger hat. Logger hat. I knew them as logger hats before they were trucker hats. Let's be real.
[00:16:52] Speaker B: That's true.
[00:16:56] Speaker A: Logging company on the front, little mesh in the back.
[00:16:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Go to Logger rodeo. Watch them Topple.
[00:17:04] Speaker A: The logger rodeo.
[00:17:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:05] Speaker A: The loggers Jubilee.
[00:17:07] Speaker B: Loggers Jubilee.
[00:17:08] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. Go back to where you came from. You are not from the northwest.
[00:17:14] Speaker B: Well, I was a transplant, but I did go.
There's many different types of. There's lagers Jubilees, loggers rodeos. Lagers hullabaloos.
[00:17:30] Speaker A: Lagers rodeos.
Where are Lagers rodeos?
[00:17:34] Speaker B: Could you show me Enum Claw?
[00:17:37] Speaker A: Enum Claw has a logger rodeo. Or a loggers Jubilee or a log.
[00:17:43] Speaker B: I want to say there's a logging.
[00:17:45] Speaker A: Rodeo in the claw.
[00:17:47] Speaker B: There's something there. Because I went to it as a kid.
My dad called it a loggers rodeo.
[00:17:56] Speaker A: Okay, well, they had chainsaws.
[00:18:00] Speaker B: They made things.
They cut stuff.
[00:18:03] Speaker A: Like a loggers Jubilee or a logging competition.
[00:18:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:09] Speaker A: Do you know they had, like, the logging competitions on ESPN for a while?
[00:18:14] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:18:15] Speaker A: And not the Ocho.
[00:18:16] Speaker B: Not the Ocho. On the real show.
[00:18:20] Speaker A: Yeah, the real show. Well, I love the next few panels because we flip the page, and some of the comics today can take an action sequence and extend it across, like, 15 pages. And I'm done reading the comic in, like, three minutes.
And here we're going to get all the action we need across two pages to set up the entire story. And you get these beautiful, progressive panels of Wonder Woman running out of the house with the professor and her daughter. And it's just so cool. And while that's happening, we get the obligatory reaction shot from the neighborhood.
[00:19:00] Speaker B: Everybody's freaking out.
[00:19:03] Speaker A: I think my favorite is, I've heard of termites, but this is ridiculous, as all the houses are collapsing. Yeah, that's all this woman could think to say. I've heard of termites, but this is ridiculous. Not fleeing for her life, but she's proclaiming that termites are her enemy.
[00:19:21] Speaker B: Dare call the Terminix Man.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: Maybe the Terminix guy can take out Kirby Crackle.
[00:19:27] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh.
[00:19:28] Speaker A: Maybe it's entirely possible.
[00:19:30] Speaker B: He's got a lot of stuff in his know.
[00:19:33] Speaker A: We've made it to page two here. Do you think our one listener wonders what in the world we're doing be?
[00:19:39] Speaker B: Could be.
[00:19:42] Speaker A: Well, it looks like we're going to make issue, folks. I'm calling this right now. We're making issue four its own podcast because we're to page two, and we are 20 minutes into this podcast. And so have fun with issue four with us, folks, because we are in it to win it. So more Kirby Crackle.
[00:20:02] Speaker B: Boom.
[00:20:03] Speaker A: I'm glad we don't have, like, a.
[00:20:05] Speaker B: Drinking game where every time the Kirby.
[00:20:09] Speaker A: Crackle comes out, in every panel, there's Kirby Crackle. We'd have to.
[00:20:13] Speaker B: Oh, that would be terrible. We would never make it through a podcast.
[00:20:17] Speaker A: Well, definitely not in this issue, because.
[00:20:19] Speaker B: No one of us would be dead.
[00:20:21] Speaker A: Cover splash. Two more panels and you turn the page, you've got, like, kirby Crackle everywhere. Yeah, there's Kirby Crackle below.
Decay does look like a lot like one of the dark side clones from the great Darkness saga in the Legion, which was put out in 83, 84 that Keith Giffin drew.
[00:20:46] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:20:48] Speaker A: And so I'm wondering if Perez drew from some of that could have as well. So it could be both. Obviously, Keith Giffin did a lot of Kirby Crackle, but I wonder if we're getting a little, like, second generational Kirby Crackle. So we have, like, Kirby Crackle and then Giffen Kirby crackle. And now we have Perez Kirby Crackle.
[00:21:09] Speaker B: I could see that.
[00:21:10] Speaker A: It's kind of, I mean, I'm down with this. I'm down with all the Kirby Crackle. And now we get, like, Scott Koblish and Scott Collins Kirby Crackle. Not that I've ever mixed those two.
[00:21:20] Speaker B: Up.
[00:21:22] Speaker A: But their art styles, you could mix them up sometimes.
[00:21:26] Speaker B: That's true. You could.
[00:21:28] Speaker A: And I love got. I got a great.
I think you've seen it, the little sunboy and polar boy piece from Scott Koblish.
[00:21:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:39] Speaker A: I think it's just an eight and a half by eleven. Right? It's all boxed up right now. But he colored it and everything. It's so cool.
Anyway, fun stuff.
Now we've got here, Decay has come forth, and she's just yelling lots of things at Wonder Woman. Nobody understands her. They're wondering who she is. And Wonder Woman is looking threatening in her flannel here.
[00:22:04] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
Just like.
[00:22:10] Speaker A: Well, Decay just calls her out for her professional wrestling match and basically is like, hey, if you don't come reclaim the tiara that I stole from you.
You know what? Why am I messing it up? This is perfect pro wrestling Keatray. Here. You want me to on Amazon? I have what I came for. The symbol of your power now. The symbol of my power. You are welcome to attempt to reclaim it if you have the nerve, brother.
[00:22:39] Speaker B: Oh, man.
[00:22:42] Speaker A: Now you got to read Wonder Woman in Macho man now. Yeah.
[00:22:47] Speaker B: Julia, stay with your daughter. I will return with the cure for Vanessa's hideous afflictions.
[00:22:58] Speaker A: Yeah, if we kind of turned it around, I guess we were doing like, WCW, like Hogan and Macho Man. But really, I think this was more like when the powers right exploded. Like when Miss Elizabeth got knocked off the apron and Hulk Hogan took her back. And then Macho got beat up in the ring. And then he goes back screaming to the back. That was that Saturday night's main event. That's kind of what more of this is like, right? He's just screaming for Hogan to come after him. And Hogan doesn't want to because, look, Wonder Woman doesn't really want to, but she's going to go do it.
[00:23:31] Speaker B: She's going to do it.
[00:23:32] Speaker A: Mega Powers collide. That was later. Yeah, we got mega Powers explode or mega Powers collide?
[00:23:40] Speaker B: Well, exploding and colliding.
[00:23:43] Speaker A: There. We crack and we turn the page and guess what? There's Kirby. Crackle smoke. Take another drink.
[00:23:51] Speaker B: Take another one. Dude, that neighborhood is just destroyed.
[00:23:56] Speaker A: Yeah, there's not much left. It's not looking like a Boston neighborhood. It's looking like a Tornado neighborhood.
[00:24:01] Speaker B: Yeah, it is looking like Tornado Alley just came through, decimated it.
[00:24:06] Speaker A: And then you got this woman in curlers. You've got Karen here. It's always been such a nice neighborhood until the you know who moved.
Oh, poor Karen.
Well, Wonder Woman's headed off here and she's trying to plot her way. And she's upset with the gods. She thinks Hermes has forsaken her. And now the gods. Oh, we mentioned the gods. Here we go, back on mountain Olympus. So here's our favorite time of God.
Pronunciation. I can't even say it. Good God.
[00:24:45] Speaker B: Pronunciations of the God.
[00:24:47] Speaker A: Thank you. Pronunciations of God.
Maybe that's what this Comic should be called. Pronunciations of the gods. As opposed, I guess, pronouncements. Pronunciation. Yeah, well, I just can't let it go. Like, you make a funny and then I just vomit all over your funny.
[00:25:06] Speaker B: That's okay.
[00:25:09] Speaker A: I'm in trouble for this all the time. I think they're going to put a word count on me. At work meetings, you can't talk anymore.
[00:25:17] Speaker B: They're going to have a clicker for every time you talk.
Just remember, it's like having like a 25 word limit on certain things.
[00:25:26] Speaker A: Time.
[00:25:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:29] Speaker A: Well, I just joined a new team at work, so everybody wants to prove themselves. So there's a lot of talking going on, and I have kicked back and been quiet while that talking was going on, trying to learn things.
[00:25:40] Speaker B: You know, like they say in Hamilton, smile more, talk less.
[00:25:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I think I was more of the Aaron Bur than the Hamilton, though. I think that's always been the, you know, it's cool. I mean. Got milk?
[00:25:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:58] Speaker A: No, he didn't. That's why he lost.
[00:26:00] Speaker B: I know.
[00:26:03] Speaker A: Okay. How many times have we made that joke on this podcast? So anyway, I don't know. Now we're into, I guess, listeners. Fine. Listeners. Go back and catalog all of my mistakes, including all the times I've talked about Aaron Burr and how many times.
[00:26:16] Speaker B: Have we referenced begotten.
[00:26:19] Speaker A: Yeah. By the way, I did need to say that this comic is by George Perez, Plotter and penciler Len Wean, scripter Bruce Patterson, inker Karen Berger, my favorite editor, John Costanza letters. One of the best letters in the history of comics, by the way. And so, yeah, I was listening to interesting podcast with Brian Boland was being interviewed, and he's a bigger nerd about comics than we are, which makes sense because know, apparently edited wizard magazine and DC Comics and all these different things.
[00:26:52] Speaker B: Never heard of Wizard.
[00:26:54] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I'm sure most of the kids have never heard of it. We probably should get the intern in touch with Boland to chat through some editing skills. Oh, yeah. Because legit, he seemed like a really nice guy, and he talked on this podcast for like 2 hours. So he seems like the type of person that would sit and talk to the intern. That would be the. So I thought that. And then of course, I was thinking, like, he went and made fonts of, this is how crazy nerdy he is. He made fonts of his favorite comic book letterers, including John Costanza.
And I was like, that's so cool. I think he did a Tod Klein and a John Costanza.
He did not do Saladino Gaspar.
Trying to think of a couple of other famous letters off the top of my head.
But anyway, yeah, it's pretty cool. I want those fonts.
[00:27:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:55] Speaker A: Give them away. Apparently I would use them to letter comics.
[00:27:59] Speaker B: Greg, you're like, I would letter comics. I would make comics and then would letter them.
[00:28:05] Speaker A: Or I would just letter your comics with them. You could make me your letterer.
How do you letter your comics with a letterer?
Now, do you have a letterer or do you do it electronically?
[00:28:17] Speaker B: Yeah, we have a letterer.
[00:28:20] Speaker A: Okay. So I would be putting somebody out of work if I did it.
[00:28:23] Speaker B: Yeah. There you go. See Dan trying to get.
For Braves, we have a great letterer. His name is crank. And for Starlight, Bret was lettering. And actually, we're bringing on.
I think Travis actually announced it.
[00:28:47] Speaker A: You're bringing on John Costanzo? No, bring on Klein.
[00:28:50] Speaker B: No, Tom.
I'm going to mess up his name. That's what I'm going to do. I'm going to butcher his name because I'm not good with these names.
[00:29:03] Speaker A: Well, as you're thinking about the names, there's a reason I brought up the letterer too, and we came back to this because I like the angled letters that Costanza uses and the emphasis, and I think it makes the Len wean scripts pop off the pages here.
And that's why comic books are truly a team effort. Right. You can't have anything that's wrong.
[00:29:25] Speaker B: Right.
[00:29:26] Speaker A: If you had sloppy lettering in here and in the rest of the package, of course, the coloring in this. We've also mentioned several times that the coloring is really great. And so, yeah, it's just a lot of fun. Or I'm just avoiding the whole page of text with the gods and talking about lettering.
[00:29:45] Speaker B: No, but you make a good point, though, that comics is definitely a team situation where everyone does a thing and they all do their thing very well, and that's what makes a good comic.
[00:30:02] Speaker A: Well, we've got the splash page here as speaking of a good comic with 123-4567 panels, and we get a little bit of all the gods. We get all the female gods that were there before, but they seem to be struggling.
They're wrapping themselves up in garb. We also get Hermes and Apollo, and they're getting ready, right? Like they're saying, hey, we're out of time. They have to go down to the ark. So it looks like they're packing up out of Olympus and thinking that she's failed, right?
[00:30:37] Speaker B: Yep.
She's failed.
[00:30:39] Speaker A: Giving up on Diana already.
[00:30:42] Speaker B: They got to move on. They got to move on with the new plan.
All right, I'm going to butcher this name, and I'll learn it, and I'll know it.
[00:30:51] Speaker A: Is this your letterer?
[00:30:53] Speaker B: Yes.
Tom Orchenshock.
[00:30:58] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:30:59] Speaker B: But he lettered all of the spawn books.
[00:31:06] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:31:07] Speaker B: What?
Yes.
[00:31:09] Speaker A: Are you serious?
[00:31:11] Speaker B: I am. No lies. He's coming on to Starlight to letter. Starlight.
[00:31:17] Speaker A: Oh, wow.
I didn't read the whole run, admittedly, but those one through 100 letters.
Good night. Okay. That is amazing.
[00:31:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:29] Speaker A: That is a huge get.
[00:31:32] Speaker B: And special art by Lee Moyer for book Three.
[00:31:38] Speaker A: What is happening is like you're getting a cadre of comic superstars.
[00:31:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:44] Speaker A: No, I dare say a legion of Superstars.
[00:31:50] Speaker B: Starlight is kind of becoming a weird thing. So I'm kind of losing my mind over here as this is all kind of happening over the last month.
[00:32:04] Speaker A: Are you losing your mind as much as Eddie Candy is, or are you losing your mind as much as George Perez did when he designed a 13 panel page for himself?
[00:32:15] Speaker B: I know, right? I saw this and I was like, what is going on? So many panels. But it makes sense.
[00:32:23] Speaker A: Because the montage panels, right? I mean, they're talking themselves like the gods are interacting. So it's not just a montage panel, but basically you have Edicandi here and these montages. Last one page. Right. He takes care of all this story in one. We know. Okay, so what do we know so far? We are on page six, and we know that Wonder Woman is going to get an appropriate wrestling match with decay. That's going to happen. Oh, yeah. The gods think she's going to lose.
[00:32:50] Speaker B: She's going to lose.
[00:32:52] Speaker A: And we know that Eddie Candy is keeping the Steve Trevor subplot going.
[00:32:58] Speaker B: Yeah, she's. She's digging in. She's a super spy.
She's got the micro camera.
[00:33:04] Speaker A: Camera. I love that. Yeah. Did she buy that? How much was that? 299 or 799? It depends on the year. It depends on the year.
[00:33:13] Speaker B: Did you ever really want one when you're a kid?
[00:33:15] Speaker A: Because I wanted all the spy stuff on that page.
[00:33:18] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. I wanted one so bad. So bad.
[00:33:21] Speaker A: I think I wanted the little soldiers. I wanted the spy stuff.
[00:33:27] Speaker B: I want to say I went somewhere and we found one that you could wrap. The 35 millimeter. No, the 110 roll would fit inside the little camera deal, and it would just be the 110 film and you would clip it in. And then it was just a mini camera. Right. And, oh, man, I thought I was a secret agent with that thing. I was taking pictures of everything.
[00:33:57] Speaker A: I remember.
[00:33:58] Speaker B: Cool.
[00:33:58] Speaker A: I got a camera once, but I was too poor to ever develop the film, so I just had film sitting around.
[00:34:06] Speaker B: Do you still have it?
[00:34:08] Speaker A: I don't think so.
[00:34:09] Speaker B: Oh, man. You should go. Okay.
To sidetrack again. But that's the sad part, is there's not a lot of places to get film developed anymore. And when you do bring it into a place that does develop film, a lot of people that run those machines don't understand what they're looking at. So sometimes if you took a picture and it didn't come out correct, they're just like, oh, it's a bad picture, and they just don't develop it. But it might be something that you want because it looks weird and you don't care about the rest of it. The out of the focus stuff. You want that one part that is in focus. Right?
[00:34:49] Speaker A: It's not like the photo mat.
[00:34:51] Speaker B: Yeah. I miss the old photo mats where you would bring it in, and the people would actually, like. They knew what they were doing. They would. Oh, yeah. Cool. Okay.
[00:34:58] Speaker A: Do you really miss them? Because they're all coffee places now.
[00:35:01] Speaker B: I do.
[00:35:05] Speaker A: I mean, I don't drink coffee.
[00:35:08] Speaker B: There's an old photo mat here in town, and it is a coffee place. And it's so weird, because I remember when it was a photo mat.
[00:35:19] Speaker A: Right?
Yeah. South Hill.
[00:35:22] Speaker B: It's a trip.
[00:35:24] Speaker A: Yes.
The photo mat was in front of the old Safeway, and, yeah, well, we will move on with the story. We've made it all the way to page seven, and we're cruising.
Yeah, we're here, and, oh, God, we got a racist soldier. Okay, wait, this doesn't even make sense.
Oh, well.
[00:35:56] Speaker B: I'm lost on what you're saying.
[00:36:00] Speaker A: Yeah, well, if you go to page seven, we've got a racial slur at the top of the page. There we go.
[00:36:06] Speaker B: Okay, I see. Yeah.
[00:36:09] Speaker A: Welcome to the 80s. Yes. Iran and Iraq were fighting a war, and bless it. Okay, so we keep going, but Eddie Candy tells him to shut up, so that's cool.
All right. And we've got a news reporter down there trying to figure out what's going on. And Perez keeps moving the story in the background story through the pictures as we get set up for this fight, I presume.
[00:36:40] Speaker B: Boom, boom, boom.
[00:36:40] Speaker A: And weaves it into the montage. So that's cool.
[00:36:44] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:36:45] Speaker A: And then they get Steve Trevor on. Oh, Colonel Trevor must have done it bad, man. And she storms out.
Uh, enough of that.
Yeah. Eddie Candy is not somebody to be trifled with.
[00:37:00] Speaker B: No.
[00:37:01] Speaker A: At least so far.
Well, we flip the page, and we get people watching decay flying in the sky.
They're doing the bird. It's a plane. It's decay. Look.
[00:37:14] Speaker B: Oh, my.
[00:37:16] Speaker A: And we get more Kirby crackle. Two more panels.
She's like, breathes Kirby crackle. I want that superpower.
[00:37:27] Speaker B: Do you, though, because then it would just be bad stuff everywhere.
[00:37:31] Speaker A: You know what, though? Next time somebody asks me what my favorite superpower is or what superpower I want, I'm going to say a power to breathe Kirby Crackle. Because they'll have no idea what I'm talking about. They're going to ask me one of those stupid icebreaker questions, and I'm just going to be like, yeah, the ability to breathe Kirby Crackle.
[00:37:51] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:37:55] Speaker A: Well, you ask what superpower I want.
[00:37:57] Speaker B: I don't know. What is Kirby Crackle? Is it a candy?
[00:38:01] Speaker A: Oh, God.
Yeah, that would be the exact. It's a candy.
[00:38:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I just want to breathe candy.
[00:38:09] Speaker A: ONe listener. If you don't know what Kirby Crackle is, pick up this issue, Wonder Woman, issue number four from 1987, and look through the pages and see the red and black Kirby Crackle.
[00:38:21] Speaker B: It's intense.
[00:38:25] Speaker A: And there's Kirby Crackle around her, too. Does that count twice?
[00:38:29] Speaker B: Double the crack?
[00:38:30] Speaker A: I did say in every panel. Oh, no. So that's three panels, though, because there's Kirby Crackle around her. So that's one, two, three panels. That's three more shots.
You're now legally dead, and I'm hanging dead.
Okay, well, a statue gets knocked over, and, of course, Wonder Woman has to go down and save people, because that's what Wonder Woman does.
And she throws the statue back at decay. And decay is just like, cool.
[00:39:00] Speaker B: Okay, cool.
[00:39:01] Speaker A: It's kind of like, yes, I'm good.
[00:39:03] Speaker B: I'll just destroy it.
[00:39:05] Speaker A: Yes. So Wonder Woman's storing everything.
Wonder Woman goes to the foreign objects. And nothing. She's got nothing.
[00:39:14] Speaker B: She's got nothing in this round, folks, foreign objects cannot touch the one they call decay. Decay has the upper hand, if you will. She's on the turnbuckle.
[00:39:29] Speaker A: And if you read this, you'll understand why Greg and I are comparing this to professional wrestling. Because decay is just not that much as a character. She's a lot of pronouncements. And that's.
And. And then even she says, like, hey, I guess they've built the match. Because now she's like. So at last, a suitable audience has arrived for fair Diana to witness your abject humiliation, brother.
[00:39:53] Speaker B: Or yours, Decay. Once I get my hands on you.
[00:40:00] Speaker A: So you keep threatening. But you are no more than what? Yeah, you are. Jeez, I am terrible at this.
I read things for a living.
[00:40:11] Speaker B: You read things for a living and you enjoy the classic Rasslin, but you're not in that headspace.
[00:40:24] Speaker A: I'm not in the zone tonight. Well, it's okay, so we're good.
But Wonder Woman's vowing, like, the good baby face at the bottom, that she's going to. You yourself have said it, monster. You are. No, I said no more. You are more than welcome to try. I cannot even read text today. Well, now, here they go. This is where those battles start. And here we go. They're fighting. There's a lot of fighting. I love it.
[00:40:51] Speaker B: It's a wap in a bam in a boom. None of those.
[00:40:55] Speaker A: There's a lot of gurbi crackle everywhere. And a lot of George Perez's beautiful, angsty faces.
[00:41:01] Speaker B: Oh, my.
The. The grip that decay has on Wonder Woman in that bottom panel.
On the left or on the right? On the left. On the left.
[00:41:17] Speaker A: Also, too, I think, like, page 1112 and 13.
Young artists should have to study these pages for movement to understand that you could have movement and text and panels, and you don't always need a splash page to show a fight.
[00:41:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:41] Speaker A: Because there's movement throughout. You see the reactions. You get the discussion about what's going on. You get the thoughts and the anguish of Wonder Woman as she tries to figure this out. You get to see her progression as she solves the riddle of decay. Right.
And then now we got, oh, by the way, bottom panel on page twelve.
[00:42:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:06] Speaker A: Jack Kirby would have, like, autographed this as his own.
[00:42:11] Speaker B: It is a good panel. Wicked good.
[00:42:16] Speaker A: And then we get it. And then, of course, we get the giant Kirby crackle in the middle as decay is destroyed on page 13.
Welcome to the podcast Dogs. Welcome home, Anne, we are sorry we are podcasting so late.
[00:42:29] Speaker B: I think she.
[00:42:30] Speaker A: But the dogs are here.
[00:42:31] Speaker B: Home.
[00:42:31] Speaker A: Yeah, well, it's very clear that she just arrived home because the dogs are having all of this. They're like, hey, we've got to bark, because by barking, that indicates our love for you, which is good, because they're dogs. And so mine, on the other hand, is showing no love for me. She is sleeping on the bed with her head curled into her tail because she's like, what are you doing? We're supposed to be walking. I don't love you.
[00:42:58] Speaker B: This is a bunch of crap, human.
[00:43:02] Speaker A: You made me move home from my beautiful lake house.
[00:43:05] Speaker B: Can't go to the lake anymore. No more kayaking.
[00:43:10] Speaker A: No kayaking. Just carrying heavy boxes around.
Well, the fight ends, and Wonder Woman, defiantly, not defiantly, triumphantly, picks up the tiara. The tiara. Wow. The tiara and tiara. She goes and picks up the tiara Here in Southern wrestling. And she says, work your wilds as you will, mighty Aries, and we're good to go.
So she puts the tiara back on, and of course, because it's America, she's immediately bombarded by the press.
[00:43:51] Speaker B: Boom.
[00:43:52] Speaker A: And they ask her really important things like, hey, what's your name? Got a boyfriend?
[00:43:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:00] Speaker A: Are you under contract?
Your own series? Yes, she does have her own series. It's called Wonder Woman. We're on issue four, folks.
[00:44:10] Speaker B: Right.
[00:44:14] Speaker A: And based on those really important questions, she leaves.
[00:44:18] Speaker B: She's like, I got to go. Bye.
[00:44:22] Speaker A: And she got to focus on areas, she says. So now we go back to elsewhere, and we've got demos and Phobos.
[00:44:32] Speaker B: Demos and Phobos.
[00:44:34] Speaker A: It's Phobos, right?
[00:44:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:36] Speaker A: Okay.
And they are not happy.
Demos is pretty angry at Phobos because he sent decay down and he's kicking him off a ledge.
And, yeah, he's just not nice to his bro. His bro just falls down.
[00:44:54] Speaker B: He's like, yo, bro, you messed up so bad. Dad is going to be so angry. You did the dumbest thing ever. You sent decay. And she's like, bottom tier stepping wolf.
[00:45:08] Speaker A: Bottom tier.
[00:45:09] Speaker B: Why would you do that?
I'm going to kick you off this ledge. See how you like that.
[00:45:16] Speaker A: Yeah. And then we're going to make another movie that's 7 hours long to get the right villain in there.
[00:45:24] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:25] Speaker A: Oh, wait, you weren't saying that at all.
[00:45:26] Speaker B: No, I wasn't, but I mean, it makes sense.
[00:45:29] Speaker A: Okay. Well, again, if you want a clinic in good storytelling and you watch the Snyder cut, please come back and read this so you can understand how to tell a story.
[00:45:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:42] Speaker A: So Dimas is getting ready. He's getting his preparations together, and we flip the page, and we've got a lot of pastels.
[00:45:52] Speaker B: Oh, man, it's bright.
[00:45:54] Speaker A: And we've got media people looking at these pictures. We've got woman, looks like, Aww. On her place. They want to call her Bird woman or Hawk Woman. And they're, no, no, that already exists.
But if she became Diana Birdwoman, would she be an attorney at law?
[00:46:17] Speaker B: Oh, that would be cool.
[00:46:20] Speaker A: I'd be down with that.
But no, they draw the WW on a paper without the F.
[00:46:30] Speaker B: Copyright.
[00:46:30] Speaker A: And for the first time, the Boston Globe leader names Diana. And this is the first time we see it. It's page 16 of issue four. Wonder Woman, a mystery heroine save city from deadly demon of destruction.
[00:46:44] Speaker B: Whoa.
[00:46:47] Speaker A: Newspapers have already dubbed her Wonder Woman, and that appears to be the perfect name for her.
[00:46:52] Speaker B: It's a great name.
[00:46:53] Speaker A: I like it seems good. I don't think it'll last.
[00:46:57] Speaker B: Maybe not. I don't know. We'll see.
[00:47:00] Speaker A: Seems like a one issue thing.
[00:47:02] Speaker B: It might be short. It's just a quick flash in the pan story.
[00:47:06] Speaker A: Yeah, quick flash in the pan for a quick flash in the pan character that will never make it.
[00:47:10] Speaker B: Yeah. No TV shows.
[00:47:15] Speaker A: No TV shows.
[00:47:16] Speaker B: No action figures.
[00:47:17] Speaker A: No best TV show theme song of all time.
[00:47:21] Speaker B: Wonder Woman.
[00:47:22] Speaker A: Everybody knows it. She's a Wonder Woman.
Sing it in satin tights fighting for your rights. You know, I can't sing anymore because of the stupid COVID I know.
Makes me so bad because I would sing it for you. Sat and tights fighting for your rights for the red, white and Blue.
[00:47:46] Speaker B: Wonder Woman.
[00:47:49] Speaker A: Hey, the Wonder Woman slot machine gave me $160.
[00:47:52] Speaker B: Hey, nice.
[00:47:53] Speaker A: Yeah, kids, don't gamble. It's bad for you.
[00:47:57] Speaker B: It is bad for you. Don't do it.
[00:48:00] Speaker A: Okay, well, we're continuing to move on here, and we've got Eda Candy again, in a yellow coat and some big old moon boots.
This is the most eighty s of the entire piece, actually. Her coat, her puffy square. Puffy coat.
[00:48:18] Speaker B: Right.
[00:48:18] Speaker A: The big squares and the moon boots are more 80s than anything in this book. More 80s than the star tights. What do we call them? Yeah, the stretch pants. The star stretch pants.
Now, if Vanessa had been wearing leg warmers, I would give her a close second.
But we weren't quite there.
[00:48:42] Speaker B: Not quite.
[00:48:45] Speaker A: Oh, it's Steve Trevor again. Okay, we're back to this subplot. Steve Trevor is hiding out. Etta finds him. Oh, and there is an angry looking. Looks like an officer class person here at the bottom of page 17 who followed Etta.
Well, turn the page and we're at a hospital. Oh, no.
Well, Wonder Woman is fine. Why are we at the hospital?
[00:49:16] Speaker B: It's all because of the daughter, man.
[00:49:18] Speaker A: Oh, my favorite character. How could I forget Vanessa?
[00:49:22] Speaker B: How could you forget Vanessa?
[00:49:23] Speaker A: Well, I could forget her because she's not in a single panel in this 123-45-6789 panel page.
[00:49:31] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:49:33] Speaker A: Do the square of her talking and the words above her count as two panels.
[00:49:39] Speaker B: In name, maybe, but need we go? No.
[00:49:44] Speaker A: Okay, so we'll go with nine. All right, so we're good here. And anyway, I do think we get a little bit more of the professor's characterization here. So I think this is a great page and good art. And so we find out that she's more than just a professor that studies things. She really cares about her daughter and her family.
I think too. We get into the power dynamic, right. Because Diana seeks her out, or she sought out because of her power, her strength, the notion that she knows her craft, that she can speak Greek, all of those things. And then she doesn't like this position of being useless or helpless. Right. Like this notion that when you put her in a position to depower, she breaks down. I think. I think a lot of us feel that way, right? I think a lot of people really feel like they need to be in a position of power to be comfortable.
[00:50:40] Speaker B: Right?
[00:50:41] Speaker A: And when you take them out of that and they just break down. So I actually like this scene a whole lot.
[00:50:47] Speaker B: It makes sense.
[00:50:49] Speaker A: And I think she breaks down too, in a way that's very masculine.
To continue on her character thread and kind of with Wonder Woman, too. You're really not labeling characters as masculine or feminine, right. Throughout the story so far.
[00:51:09] Speaker B: Right.
[00:51:09] Speaker A: Throughout the first four issues. And so I like this. I like how these characters don't just take on these stereotypical feminine or masculine traits like that. They're complex.
[00:51:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:51:19] Speaker A: Except maybe Nessa, who I don't like.
[00:51:23] Speaker B: You'Re like, but let's drill in.
[00:51:25] Speaker A: And then this. Maybe that's why I don't like that character. Right, because we have all these characters that don't exhibit these stereotypical feminine and masculine traits, right?
[00:51:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:51:36] Speaker A: Except maybe Aries, right? Because he's supposed to. They have dimensions. And then I get Vanessa pining over the fact that Wonder Woman will square her boyfriend away, and I just wasn't enjoyable.
[00:51:53] Speaker B: And you're, ah, okay, go away. And then she does for like.
[00:51:58] Speaker A: And then she does, at least for a bit.
[00:52:00] Speaker B: Ish.
[00:52:01] Speaker A: Well, yeah, they got rid of her for a quick second.
Okay, well, she comes back and asks if she can cure her.
And they touch amulets because that's what they do.
And the professor declares that this is her fight, too. Until her daughter is taken care of.
[00:52:32] Speaker B: She'S going to be there.
[00:52:34] Speaker A: What does a professor do when they don't know what to do? Trust me, I know. She goes back and studies and learns things.
[00:52:40] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:52:41] Speaker A: And Diana walks around the room, sort of looking outside and standing watch, and all of a sudden she sees something outside and she goes out to find Trevor.
[00:52:59] Speaker B: No.
[00:53:02] Speaker A: No, she doesn't.
I believe she does.
[00:53:07] Speaker B: Oh, yes.
[00:53:10] Speaker A: I don't know what comic you're reading, but she goes out. Steve Trevor's dressed. But Steve Trevor's not the smartest guy. I think he's dressed like a bank robber in Boston.
[00:53:19] Speaker B: Yeah, that's why I said no, because he looks like your average bank robber.
Or like a dude that's going to do a B and E on the house.
[00:53:34] Speaker A: Yeah, he does. So maybe not the best approach.
[00:53:37] Speaker B: Got his dock workers cap and his cold weather Levi's denim.
No.
[00:53:49] Speaker A: Yeah, he does the furry denim.
[00:53:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I got one. I like it. It's comfortable.
And the dock workers cap. Oh, and the gloves. Oh, my God. Do I look up?
[00:53:59] Speaker A: Maybe you can find me a furry denim from one of the stores someday. I think I would like one.
[00:54:04] Speaker B: Yeah. We could be twinsies.
[00:54:07] Speaker A: That'd be cool.
When shows reopen and I go with you and sit at the table with you. We could be twinsies. Talking about the podcast.
[00:54:16] Speaker B: There we go.
[00:54:17] Speaker A: People wouldn't know what hit them.
[00:54:18] Speaker B: They would be like, what are you talking about? We're here for the other thing.
But we had this other thing. I like how in the. Was it? Fourth panel, the good doctor comes out. She's got a shotgun. She's ready for business.
Yes.
[00:54:41] Speaker A: She's not messing around.
[00:54:43] Speaker B: Back away.
[00:54:47] Speaker A: While we're to. I'll apologize on the podcast. Greg will post something on Twitter. But there is no way in the big scheme of things, just Pulling back the curtain just slightly as we get into Steve Trevor's incompetence, we're going to look at Dan's incompetence because there's just no way I'm going to edit this and have it out there for you all tonight. So we're going to be a day late this week.
Unacceptable, I know, but we appreciate you. And so maybe I say we're going to be a day late. There's a possibility I could get it done tonight. I doubt it. Because we recorded late.
[00:55:21] Speaker B: Believe in you.
[00:55:22] Speaker A: But hang in there with us, folks, because, yeah, we'll keep these coming for you as much as possible. Because we love you, our one fan. We do.
[00:55:29] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:55:30] Speaker A: Our hearts are beating. What we do love is the professor and her shotgun. Because this is clearly 1987.
[00:55:40] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:55:41] Speaker A: Because professor now probably wouldn't be coming out with her shotgun.
[00:55:45] Speaker B: Probably not.
Probably.
[00:55:48] Speaker A: She has some NRA stickers in there.
[00:55:50] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:55:54] Speaker A: Listening to Ted Nugent while she reads her books.
[00:55:58] Speaker B: Some cat scratch fever.
[00:56:03] Speaker A: Do you know he got COVID?
[00:56:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Now he's got Cat scratch fever himself.
[00:56:08] Speaker A: I love it. Well, he's got anybody to die of, COVID or anything. But when people that flaunt the fact that they don't have to wear masks and all that, it just seems like there's some sort of secret justice in the world.
[00:56:23] Speaker B: Things are circular man.
[00:56:24] Speaker A: Would we call it hooded Justice?
[00:56:31] Speaker B: Anyways.
[00:56:35] Speaker A: That was hilarious.
Well, we are turning the page and. Oh, we get the end. Okay, so Steve is freaking out. He starts running away.
[00:56:48] Speaker B: Oh, no.
[00:56:48] Speaker A: Wonder Woman flies because it's Wonder Woman and Michaelus. Michaelus.
It's a Greek name. I know it is.
They do this to us on purpose. Is it Michelus?
[00:57:05] Speaker B: Michaelus? Yeah, maybe someone.
[00:57:09] Speaker A: Michelus. Nobody's going to tell us, what have you done? They're going to let us die on the vine.
[00:57:16] Speaker B: Oh, man.
[00:57:17] Speaker A: I noticed you transition here. So we don't die on the vine.
[00:57:19] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:57:20] Speaker A: Insanity's name, Michaelus. And when I first saw that, I was like, St. Michael is what I saw. But anyway, sanity's name, what have you done? And Edda Candy is out, flashlight on the ground on the corner of the car, and it's not looking good for Lieutenant Candy.
[00:57:41] Speaker B: Not at all.
[00:57:44] Speaker A: That, my friends, is the end of issue four. An action packed story that gets a lot done. You've got the story of the fight, but that's really only half the issue. Most of it's advancing the Trevor plot, advancing the plot and character development of Professor. Of the professor, and giving us a lot of in depth storytelling, which I think is cool, which is probably, besides the banter we've had throughout the episode, why we spent a lot of time talking about it.
[00:58:16] Speaker B: Yeah, like you said, the humanization, if you will, of the professor, because when you first meet her, you're just like, oh, she's just about the books and the knowledge, but then you really see her and her love and care for her child and really wanting to find out what's wrong and what's going on and how to solve this and everything. And that's very.
A very human response.
[00:58:46] Speaker A: And I think we also established she's highly competitive, which is probably what made her successful in her academic pursuits, too. Right?
[00:58:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:58:53] Speaker A: And so the competitiveness just transfers to other arenas. Right.
And so, yeah, I really enjoyed that. I like the development of Steve Trevor, how he's sort of this incompetent, competent. Uh, but I like that, people. I like that he's not perfect. Right.
I think it's good that he has flaws, like he's not just the square jawed soldier type. Right.
[00:59:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:59:20] Speaker A: That he has a lot of depth and makes mistakes and is kind of dumb.
[00:59:27] Speaker B: He's a regular person, and that's, I think what, anyone reading this can go, oh, yeah, no, I would make that mistake, or I would do something like that because that's a normal person thing.
[00:59:43] Speaker A: And then I like making Etta really competent right through the story. Right. Just through that one page, we established that Edda may be the competent one in the Trevor Edda Candy relationship, right?
[00:59:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
When you think Inspector Gadget, Steve Trevor is Inspector Gadget and Edda is his.
[01:00:15] Speaker A: Then. And who is the dog?
[01:00:20] Speaker B: Oh, no. Whose brain?
I guess maybe we'll find out as the story unfolds.
[01:00:28] Speaker A: Maybe it'll be Nicholas.
[01:00:31] Speaker B: No. I Don't know. He's got something about him, man.
[01:00:37] Speaker A: We'll find out something about him. Okay, well, we will find out. And that puts a wrap on issue four. We end, and I am excited for the next issue, but I'm not going to give away how many year old comic.
[01:00:52] Speaker B: Yeah, no spoilers here.
[01:00:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:00:57] Speaker B: Even though we're on the spoiler verse, we're not going to spoil it for you.
[01:01:00] Speaker A: 717 so over 30 year old comic. Yeah, we're good.
[01:01:05] Speaker B: You have to tune back in next time for funny book forensics and find out what happens in issue number five.
[01:01:14] Speaker A: And I'm excited, too, because I think we've been saying it and we are going to keep covering our Wonder Woman issues. But in the next couple of weeks or so, John from the spoiler verse is going to come on from the mothership, and we're going to do an interlude probably in our Wonder Woman podcast that's going to be a lot of fun.
I'm super excited. We mentioned they just did a Jim shooter interview. I think we mentioned this last week, so we'll keep teasing you with it. And John's going to come in and we're going to look at Adventure Comics 252 and 253, where the Legion of superheroes and the fatal Five fight a sun Eater.
[01:01:58] Speaker B: A sun eater.
[01:02:00] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:02:01] Speaker B: That sounds dangerous.
[01:02:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Sun Eaters are probably one of the coolest heroes out of the characters out of the Silver Age that they brought back. I always thought, because they did that whole was, it was final night. Right. Superman line in the late 80s, early 90s where the Sun Eater was central to the core plot. Right.
[01:02:25] Speaker B: And the fatal Five sounds like a bunch of bad guys.
[01:02:29] Speaker A: Fatal five kind of sounds like the Dirty dozen.
[01:02:32] Speaker B: The Fatal Five. The Dirty dozen.
[01:02:35] Speaker A: Maybe young Jim Shooter was really liking that.
[01:02:39] Speaker B: Maybe.
[01:02:42] Speaker A: But yeah, quite frankly, we're getting some character development of some of my favorite Legion characters, and then we're getting some introduction of some of my favorite Legion villains for the first time. And we're getting young Jim Shooter writing. It is going to be a blast. Kurt Swan, the Superman artist, right?
[01:03:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:03:06] Speaker A: Drawing what for a 14 year old boy who's writing it. Not only if you go back and listen to the interview on the Spoiler verse, the first Jim Shooter interview.
Jim Shooter is a 14 year old boy, and Kurt Swan is happy to work with him. And Jim Shooter is giving him layouts.
Jim Shooter at 14 is giving Kurt Swan layouts.
[01:03:34] Speaker B: It blows my mind that he wrote this at that age, and that's awesome.
It just goes to show, anybody can do anything if you got the skill and the drive and the luck.
Any of those three things in any of those combinations, two is great, three is better. But I think, like sir said, two out of three ain't so.
[01:04:13] Speaker A: Well, let me give you a sample of what we're about to get with young Mr. Shooter. But I've had the letter page open from Adventure Comics 252, and they're talking about Jim Shooter's first story or one of his first stories, and here's what the letter says. Dear Editor, Popping Planets every now and then you folks at DC put out a real winner. I'm speaking, of course, of the Rogue Legionnaire. I rate most stories on the interest I take in rereading them, and I can't put this one down. Congratulations are in order for James Shooter for giving us such a great science fiction epic. Kurt Swan's art was, as usual, magnifico, so that should give you a hint of what we're getting into. And one of the fun things there is, just like we're praising the Perez storytelling here and how he could advance the story. Jim Shooter, as he says in his interview, grew up loving Marvel books and so wanted to bring that characterization back to DC in the did. And so we get a lot of character development of this big superhero team group who in a lot of ways in the Silver Age, admittedly, you could have colored them any way you wanted to with their costumes, and you wouldn't have known who was who. They were just talking and just change things from time to time. But I'm not going to spoil it. But we're going to get in these two issues, not only some young Jim Shooter writing, but we're going to see something that almost never happens in comics.
[01:05:51] Speaker B: What's that?
[01:05:53] Speaker A: I can't tell yOu. You're going to have to come in next week to find out.
[01:05:57] Speaker B: Teasing me and the El.
[01:06:02] Speaker A: So John will be joining us for that. And so we'll have our two issue adventure comics interlude in honor of the Jim Shooter interview over on the mothership, or should I say Jim Shooter interviews because there are three segments of this.
[01:06:16] Speaker B: Thing, if John joins us, then who will?
Uh. Oh, man.
[01:06:23] Speaker A: John, you're going to have to get us a. A you, Greg. In comics, sometimes some books don't sell real well, but then other books sell really well. Right. That happens.
[01:06:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:06:37] Speaker A: And so they take the hero from the not so good selling book, and they bring them into the good selling book. Right. Or vice versa.
[01:06:45] Speaker B: Right.
[01:06:46] Speaker A: Like Superman just shows up in, like, say, the.
You know, all. Can you tell me some of the members of the Sovereign Seven?
[01:06:56] Speaker B: I can't, but I can tell you about.
[01:06:59] Speaker A: Well, see, so Superman shows up, and there we go. Superman's with the Sovereign Seven.
[01:07:04] Speaker B: We're the sovereign Seven.
[01:07:06] Speaker A: And the sovereign Seven. Yeah. We're the sovereign seven.
[01:07:08] Speaker B: Oh, no.
[01:07:10] Speaker A: It's not going well for us.
[01:07:12] Speaker B: That's all right.
[01:07:13] Speaker A: We're like a step below Boana Beast.
But that's okay because we're making a comeback.
[01:07:24] Speaker B: We're making a comeback, and it's going to be better than ever.
[01:07:28] Speaker A: In a last ditch effort to keep us from being canceled, the mothership is coming in for the save.
[01:07:35] Speaker B: They wouldn't cancel us. They love.
[01:07:45] Speaker A: Sure. That's exactly how that goes.
And I'm sure Mickey James was thinking that last week, right before the WWE fired her.
[01:08:00] Speaker B: I know the Internet was a fire with many questions and concerns.
[01:08:07] Speaker A: Yep. So we are Samoa Joe and Mickey James.
[01:08:10] Speaker B: Oh, no.
[01:08:12] Speaker A: Oh, wait, we're not, because the mothership is coming in to rescue us.
[01:08:16] Speaker B: It's good, thankfully.
[01:08:17] Speaker A: So John will be coming. So next week, Adventure Comics 252 and 253, I believe.
[01:08:26] Speaker B: Yes.
[01:08:28] Speaker A: And we'll be reading some adventure comics, and it's going to be great. So Silver Age fun.
Join us for that. And then we'll be back. Right back here, finishing up the Wonder Woman storyline.
[01:08:41] Speaker B: Awesome.
[01:08:42] Speaker A: I said yes. I got that right. 252 and 253. I'm going to keep messing that up nOw.
[01:08:47] Speaker B: You got it right.
[01:08:48] Speaker A: All right. Well, on that note, Greg, any final thoughts here?
[01:08:53] Speaker B: No, I'm just super excited. One about having John from the mothership coming to hang out with us and talk about an amazing, awesome set of books. And I'm super excited about where we're going with this Wonder Woman series because this is really a fun read.
I was talking to Anne about it the other day, and after I finished reading it, and I was like, oh, my gosh, you got to read this. This is, like everything that you liked from the movies, and it's, like, right here and the storytelling and everything is right here. You got to read this.
[01:09:37] Speaker A: And what did.
[01:09:40] Speaker B: Well, you know, maybe.
[01:09:45] Speaker A: As Anne does, when either of us get excited about.
[01:09:50] Speaker B: Mean, she. She'll think about it.
When it comes to comics, you got to remember, if it's not Archie, Jughead, Betty, Veronica, or the Babysitters Club.
[01:10:08] Speaker A: That'S the best.
Well, what if Wonder Woman crossed over with the Babysitters Club? What if the Babysitters Club came as the guest stars in Wonder Woman?
[01:10:19] Speaker B: That would be actually awesome. That would be so cool, because you.
[01:10:25] Speaker A: And I, definitions of cool are different.
[01:10:27] Speaker B: I'm reading the Babysitters Club right now, and it's actually really good. I'm having a good time reading those graphic novels. They definitely are fun to read. I read the books as a kid, and my mom would make fun of me because she was like, is this your attempt at trying to understand girls? And I was like, I don't know. I got them from the library.
Yeah, I just like the story, but I'm reading the graphic novels right now to just see what they're all about. And my wife's really into them, so I want to experience it, too, and I'm really enjoying it. The artist changed in the middle of the book series, so it was a little bit of a change up for me.
Different art style from the first three books. And then you get into the fourth book and you're like, oh, hey, this is a different art style.
I'm not going to say thrown, but it just took me a second to. Okay, just like any other book series that you're reading, the story is still the same. Just got to get used to the characters being a little different.
[01:11:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
Well, I will not make fun of you for reading anything, especially after the things I watch and read.
But what I can say is, hey, enjoy it because it's comics and we need to enjoy them.
[01:11:57] Speaker B: That's right.
I would tell parents, if you're looking for something and your kids haven't read this, go check it out because it's a fun read.
As we're talking about different team building type things and team comics and stuff, Babysitters Club is all about teamwork and about working within your community and doing things and figuring out life as these young girls are figuring out how things work and through their babysitting and through their own lives and stuff. It's an interesting snapshot.
[01:12:38] Speaker A: Can I tell you something amazing? I've done some research while we were talking, and that research was simply, I've read issue 252 already. So I had issue 253 pulled up on my thing, and you've got the COVID and on the inside of the COVID is the treasure chest of fun.
[01:12:56] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[01:12:57] Speaker A: And in 1966, one miniature secret camera costs.
We're going to go one miniature secret camera plus six rolls of film. So tell me what that would cost you in 1966.
[01:13:12] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh.
[01:13:13] Speaker A: 1960, $6.
[01:13:22] Speaker B: Whoa.
[01:13:24] Speaker A: $3, $2.98, to be specific, would have netted you one amazing miniature radio.
[01:13:31] Speaker B: Oh, just an AM radio, or is an AM FM radio?
[01:13:36] Speaker A: I am assuming it's an AM radio. It does not specify.
[01:13:39] Speaker B: Oh, man. I'm imagining just an AM radio because AM was still the king of the airwaves back then.
[01:13:45] Speaker A: $1.0.98 would have netted you one fine jackpot bank. Oh, I love those things.
[01:13:51] Speaker B: I'll bet you it was probably real metal.
[01:13:56] Speaker A: I don't think so. There's just no.
[01:13:58] Speaker B: Back then they used to make those things out of real metal.
[01:14:01] Speaker A: A dime operating jackpot bank that works just like the one armed Bandit in Vegas. Just deposit the dime and spin. The handle reels spin and look like the real stuff. Dimes are removable. The game should not be used for gambling purposes only. For fun. It does not say it is metal, but I'm spoiling next wEek, so I need to shut up. But I did just want to confirm I'm excited.
I am really excited. Obviously, we're reading Legion books.
[01:14:31] Speaker B: Yeah. As soon as start reading a Legion book, you're like, I'm there.
[01:14:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
All right. Well, with that, it's probably at this point, time to sign off of this episode of Funny book Forensics.
[01:14:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Time to sign off.
[01:14:50] Speaker A: So we will see you next week with some adventure comics and then back right after that with some more Wonder Woman number five.
[01:14:56] Speaker B: All right, sounds good.
[01:15:00] Speaker A: Thanks. One listener. We love you.
[01:15:02] Speaker B: Bye, everyone. And don't forget, Starlight May 4. May the Force be with you and come to a stellar viewing of Star wars with the Starlight team.
[01:15:16] Speaker A: And go to Kickstarter and back the book.
[01:15:18] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, go to Kickstarter and back.
[01:15:20] Speaker A: The book because the most important part.
[01:15:22] Speaker B: Most important part for issue number three.
[01:15:25] Speaker A: Because we want this thing to meet its goal in 2 hours.
[01:15:29] Speaker B: That would be amazing.
That would beat last time.
[01:15:34] Speaker A: Yep.
[01:15:35] Speaker B: That'd be great.
[01:15:36] Speaker A: And do that because I want all the stretch goals. So get on there and back it so I can get stretch goals.
[01:15:41] Speaker B: Dan wants the stretch.
You are. You're going to be excited to see all the cool stuff that Travis and I put together last night. So when this thing drops, be excited.
[01:15:53] Speaker A: I am.
All right, well, on that note, get your Starlight book, and we're out of here.
